PUAs be lying about their lays

[bat soup]

Another thing to take into account is that to get 700 women a year, you have to leave 700 women a year. Most guys will just get with a girl they like and then lose interest in finding new ones, especially as it takes a lot of work even for the top guys.

It's not like that for women, that could literally bang 1000 guys a year whilst being butt ugly.

 

[MatureDJ]

got addicted to benzodiazepines, came off cold Turkey, went to a complete shell and lost job, house and ended up with his parents unable to even leave the house and attacking his relatives.

Do not f with Benzos - they are the work of the devil.

he was taking a few diazepams a week socially to relive stress. He didn’t know cold Turkey can cause permanent brain damage.

miss him every day, he was the brother I never had

I used to take Flurazepam all time.

 

[MatureDJ]

another point on this is that, aside from some to whom it’s a hobby, the vast, vast majority of men who are successful with women neverfind their way here - or even know what the “pua community” is.

The majority of people came here for the opposite reason - because they struggled. I came here because after marriage I had no idea how to date - it was super hard at first, and then some of the advice helped. Some of it sucked.

Seriously, if you’re banging a lot, how much time do you have for theory on an online forum? The times I didn’t come here where the times all was well. Currently I have no reason to come here other than it’s one of the few places online not completely taken over by SJWs - I mean that literally, nowhere else allows kind of normal male discourse, it’s completely taken over by screeching liberals.

The men who have come here are Average Frustrated Chumps who harbor hopes to ascend. Anyone doing well with chicks is already too busy to spend time here.

 

[PRW63]

So I am watching this Incel live stream from FACE LMS. He is debating a PUA who claims his ugly PUA partner is smashing 50 girls a YEAR. The PUA claims he smashed 300 to 400 girls in his lifetime of 31 yrs.

I think many of these guys greatly exaggerate how many girls they smash. I have known actual fitness models Chads who were div 1 atheletes and had fitness model contracts. They were doing maybe 5 new girls on a good month and this was not consistent. Even that was incredible. On average it was maybe 3 new girls a month. This is only 36 girls a year.

I know I have better game than most of these PUAs and I have never done anywhere close to 50 in ONE year unless I dont care about the quality of the females looks.

I bet if you were to meet these guys in real life they are good, but they are not as good as they claim. I dont know why they cant keep it real lol.

It is all lies. Some tout such high nymbers they would have to approach one woman every 90 seconds for 24 hour straight day after day. It is all BS so they can convince you that (1) they are just so vastly more skilled than you are, and (2), so they can charge you 100's of dollar per hour for a coaching session.

 

[Bigpapa]

It is all lies. Some tout such high nymbers they would have to approach one woman every 90 seconds for 24 hour straight day after day. It is all BS so they can convince you that (1) they are just so vastly more skilled than you are, and (2), so they can charge you 100's of dollar per hour for a coaching session.

not necessarily

a good looking guy who is socially smooth and is approaching all the time can reach this numbers if he is focused on this

basically it means that the mainly thing that he is doing

50 lays a year is not a crazy number . It means that he needs to sleep with a new girl every week

if you also spend most of your times in a part y place , where people come to party and relax . You can reach even 2-3 lays per week

i have a friend who was a bartender at a really hype club in hype location during the summer , and he constantly during one summer averaged 5 girls per week . That is like 60-70 girls in 3-4 months

he achieved this because people came and go , and the average stay was a couple of months , and again , this guy had normal game

 

[PRW63]

50 lays a year is not a crazy number . It means that he needs to sleep with a new girl every week

I said "Some tout such high number...". I am speaking in a broader context than your specific example. But I do still consider 50 a year to be a high number for any kind of practical lifestyle that is functional and not socialpathic.

if you also spend most of your times in a part y place , where people come to party and relax . You can reach even 2-3 lays per week

i have a friend who was a bartender at a really hype club in hype location during the summer , and he constantly during one summer averaged 5 girls per week . That is like 60-70 girls in 3-4 months

Yea, if you live in Slut City. What good is jumping in bed with a new slut every week? Where does it lead? Nowhere,...except maybe to a clinic on a monthly basis for an STD check. You get a few minutes of "Whoo-Hoo" then you are right back where you started,...like being hooked on crack except your teeth stay in. You ain't getting any Families come out of that which aren't dysfuntional with children being nothing more than future inmates that doesn't know who there father is. The human race can't survive on that.

he achieved this because people came and go , and the average stay was a couple of months , and again , this guy had normal game

It just means he can do pickup,...but he is incapable of maintaining anything beyond that.

 

[Sam_J]

A man could feasibly bang 2 women a day if he really, really knows what he's doing, has very low standards whilst looking almost perfect himself, lives in an ideal location and is also totally ruthless about cutting women off. That would be 700 a year. However, I don't think there are many men in the world that has actually achieved that.

There is one guy (John Anthony) that claims over 1300 lays and it's feasible, although I don't know what all of these women looked like. Some of them were hot for sure.

I used to think John Anthony was lying but the more I watch his stuff, the more I actually like him and relate to him. He grew up with a verbally abusive mom (as did I) which he said fuelled him to be relentless and calculated in achieving his goals as an adult, has struggled with OCD his whole life, which I have as well, and has a very analytical personality that I can relate to. He has a strong interest in science which he has discussed in his videos recommending science and philosophy books. He dedicates his entire life mission to optimizing the number of women he can sleep with--it's his number one goal above all else, so it's easily possible that he achieved that number sleeping with 2 new women a week for over 10 years. The guys that try to shame him for it are just jealous imo

 

[Bigpapa]

I said "Some tout such high number...". I am speaking in a broader context than your specific example. But I do still consider 50 a year to be a high number for any kind of practical lifestyle that is functional and not socialpathic.

Yea, if you live in Slut City. What good is jumping in bed with a new slut every week? Where does it lead? Nowhere,...except maybe to a clinic on a monthly basis for an STD check. You get a few minutes of "Whoo-Hoo" then you are right back where you started,...like being hooked on crack except your teeth stay in. You ain't getting any Families come out of that which aren't dysfuntional with children being nothing more than future inmates that doesn't know who there father is. The human race can't survive on that.


It just means he can do pickup,...but he is incapable of maintaining anything beyond that.

yeah , what you are referring to is a total different ball game

relationship management is a totally different ball game than sleeping around with women

 

[PRW63]

yeah , what you are referring to is a total different ball game

relationship management is a totally different ball game than sleeping around with women

The sleeping around is the easy stuff. All you need is to be "decent looking", no morals, have the ability to pick a slut out of the crowd, and have good salesmen skills. But "service after the sale" is a different story. PUAs are like used car salesmen, or politicians,...or politicians selling used cars, or used car salesmen running for office. Pick one.

The irony is they all say they want women who have not been "ran though",...yet those are exactly the ones they target, or they turn her into one,...turn her into what they say they don't want.

 

[Sam_J]

John Anthony is a idiot and a liar, I have pity for him. Trust me he doesn't get laid like he says he does. If you believe his sh1t, then you are an idiot too. Sorry man (No hard feeling!)
I'm not jealous, just experienced. He is full of BS, like many other PUAs.

Why should I trust you? Lol. He actually provides evidence his claims are true, whereas you provide no evidence his claims are false.

 

[Sam_J]

His evidences all false too. No need to be a brain to understand that he is full of sh1t. You don't need to trust me, you can buy his program. His business is to sell programs to guys like you, he's gonna do everything he can to look legit to keep selling programs and make money. He's a businessman, you're a potential customer.

I can't really afford any "coaches" right now and probably wouldn't buy a program anyway. but you still haven't provided a shred of evidence his claims are false. He might be lying, idk. But the evidence to me indicates that he is not. Have you seen the videos where he holds up his phone and he has over 14,000 phone numbers in it? I think his results are easily achievable for someone who puts as much effort into it as he does. he literally spends all day every day either cold approaching or swiping thousands of times a day on every dating app imaginable while he's doing other stuff (he said this). Like I said, it's basically the only thing he does in life besides coaching.

 

[Sam_J]

Do the maths bro, it's just impossible to have such a lay count, you're probably not experienced enough to understand... If my job was to steal money from naive guys, I would fill my phone with 30 000 phone numbers to look like I'm legit, no problem. You don't need any program, trust me, this guy is a professional scammer. He doesn't spend his life cold approaching and dating chicks, he spend his life making youtube videos, bashing other puas, trying to look legit and selling programs to guys like you who believe his bs. He doesn't have time for approaching and swiping, he's busy making money to survive. I think he is in South America now? life is cheap, prostitutes too. Do the maths, don't let him fool you.
Stay away from this stuff, my advice.

Idk it's possible that he's not lying. 2 new women a week means well over 1000 in ten years. He might be a scammer idk. I know Mike Mehlman is legit, I'm in his group chat where he lets people talk to him for free.

 

[characternote]

john anthony is mostly full of sh1t.
His 'game' is the exact same game as a guy who has never heard of this stuff.
His 'method' is to say 'hi', tell her she's cute, ask how tall she is and tell her he's 6ft 4, tell her he's a dj and it's his friends birthday, ask if she likes grey goose vodka, then invite her back to the ''party' for some vodka. (even many of his 'pulls' from his product looked super suss to me. He went ham on the old RSD trick of claiming a 'pull' if a girl agrees to get into a cab with you for some free drinks)

He also had lots of his texts and stuff leaked by his ex business partner (Sonny) after an argument between them, and it appeared to show John Anthony haggling over prices with various sugar babies and hookers in Colombia.

He's also a complete moron (had some of the most cringy live streams known to man that he since deleted back in the day). he's surely got some mental issues that wouldn't line up for someone who has 'game' (e.g - he's odd. Doesn't haveww charisma. Can't seem to read the room etc.)

As for his lay count, his claims are ridiculous

He's probably banged a decent number of girls, but mainly from paying them

And with cold approach, he's probably banged a good handful as you'd expect from anyone whose whole life is to get laid. It is a numbers game afterall. But his success rate will be no better than the next random guy on the street. He has nothing to teach anyone. Stay away lol

 

[Guy69JackBlue]

john anthony is mostly full of sh1t.
His 'game' is the exact same game as a guy who has never heard of this stuff.
His 'method' is to say 'hi', tell her she's cute, ask how tall she is and tell her he's 6ft 4, tell her he's a dj and it's his friends birthday, ask if she likes grey goose vodka, then invite her back to the ''party' for some vodka. (even many of his 'pulls' from his product looked super suss to me. He went ham on the old RSD trick of claiming a 'pull' if a girl agrees to get into a cab with you for some free drinks)

He also had lots of his texts and stuff leaked by his ex business partner (Sonny) after an argument between them, and it appeared to show John Anthony haggling over prices with various sugar babies and hookers in Colombia.

He's also a complete moron (had some of the most cringy live streams known to man that he since deleted back in the day). he's surely got some mental issues that wouldn't line up for someone who has 'game' (e.g - he's odd. Doesn't haveww charisma. Can't seem to read the room etc.)

As for his lay count, his claims are ridiculous

He's probably banged a decent number of girls, but mainly from paying them

And with cold approach, he's probably banged a good handful as you'd expect from anyone whose whole life is to get laid. But his success rate will be no better than the next random guy on the street. He has nothing to teach anyone. Stay away lol

Haha. I was going to say 1000 is only possible if you pay. But I didn't want to be the one to bring it up first.

I've been with 1000 girls easily. I lost count and no I'm not claiming it's anything impressive to fvck escorts.

I bet this guy got ripped off in Colombia. Shouldn't cost more than $50usd max.

 

[Bigpapa]

john anthony is mostly full of sh1t.
His 'game' is the exact same game as a guy who has never heard of this stuff.
His 'method' is to say 'hi', tell her she's cute, ask how tall she is and tell her he's 6ft 4, tell her he's a dj and it's his friends birthday, ask if she likes grey goose vodka, then invite her back to the ''party' for some vodka. (even many of his 'pulls' from his product looked super suss to me. He went ham on the old RSD trick of claiming a 'pull' if a girl agrees to get into a cab with you for some free drinks)

He also had lots of his texts and stuff leaked by his ex business partner (Sonny) after an argument between them, and it appeared to show John Anthony haggling over prices with various sugar babies and hookers in Colombia.

He's also a complete moron (had some of the most cringy live streams known to man that he since deleted back in the day). he's surely got some mental issues that wouldn't line up for someone who has 'game' (e.g - he's odd. Doesn't haveww charisma. Can't seem to read the room etc.)

As for his lay count, his claims are ridiculous

He's probably banged a decent number of girls, but mainly from paying them

And with cold approach, he's probably banged a good handful as you'd expect from anyone whose whole life is to get laid. It is a numbers game afterall. But his success rate will be no better than the next random guy on the street. He has nothing to teach anyone. Stay away lol

what guys tend to forget is that the woman verbal game on average is lame

to have a witty discussion , you also need a partner with whom to have it

most of the “game” that women have is due to the vast amount of options they have + knowing they have the upper hand prior to intimacy

that is why most of the tricks and stuff like that this guys claim to work , never really work unless she is attracted to you at least medium

most of the good puas out there mainly rely on their looks + presentation skills

for example that guy Julian from rsd is a really good looking guy . Ofc if he does a lot of approaches he will have A way higher count than an a guy using the same technique or even something better

Most women will not f8ck most of the guys that she finds at least cute , otherwise it will be a never ending f8ck session

I would say that the best pua advice guys can have is from hitch “ just do not be stupid and mess things up “

 

[characternote]

what guys tend to forget is that the woman verbal game on average is lame

to have a witty discussion , you also need a partner with whom to have it

most of the “game” that women have is due to the vast amount of options they have + knowing they have the upper hand prior to intimacy

that is why most of the tricks and stuff like that this guys claim to work , never really work unless she is attracted to you at least medium

most of the good puas out there mainly rely on their looks + presentation skills

for example that guy Julian from rsd is a really good looking guy . Ofc if he does a lot of approaches he will have A way higher count than an a guy using the same technique or even something better (fairly marginal difference)

I would say that the best pua advice guys can have is from hitch “ just do not be stupid and mess things up “

well I do basically agree, but it's kind of a different discussion.
I mean, even though i'm giving that moron john Anthony (jmulv) a hard time, i'd also concede that it's not as if there's anyone out there who could do tonnes better than him if they morphed into his body.
As you say, it's really about meeting her level of physical attraction, and then more or less it's just flirting and escalating in a calibrated way and not f***ing up too bad. It's not that hard. I always felt that people gave themselves WAY too much credit when they pull a girl lol. PUA purists don't like hearing that 'game' is basically flirting (because obviously a girl doesn't want a guy who she's not remotely attracted too flirting with her lol). The problem has always been that the 'attraction material'/aspect of game is so weak. ''She tells you she's not interetsed? She's not attracted. That means you need to do more 'attraction material'. More negs. Hit her with a pushpull line. Tell a story about the time you beat up a bear. etc etc''. It's just not fit for purpose lol. Them lines can't compete with a guy who she looks at and is instantly attracted. Genuine Attraction doesn't come from that stuff. At best you can display confidence. And of course the main idea behind 'game' is that confidence is super attractive to girls, but it's only half of the story

 

[Bigpapa]

Julian from RSD is average looking in my opinion but he is tall and and dresses ok.

he is maybe overall an 8, above average looking guy for sure + American \ English whatever it is ( so tier 1 white guy )

he has an smv in the top 10% maybe

 

[Bigpapa]

well I do basically agree, but it's kind of a different discussion.
I mean, even though i'm giving that moron john Anthony (jmulv) a hard time, i'd also concede that it's not as if there's anyone out there who could do much better than him if they morphed into his body.
As you say, it's really about meeting her level of physical attraction, and then more or less it's just flirting and escalating in a calibrated way and not f***ing up too bad. It's not that hard. I always felt that people gave themselves WAY too much credit when they pull a girl lol. PUA purists don't like hearing that 'game' is basically flirting (because obviously a girl doesn't want a guy who she's not remotely attracted too flirting with her lol). The problem has always been that the 'attraction material'/aspect of game is so weak. ''She tells you she's not interetsed? She's not attracted. That means you need to do more 'attraction material'. More negs. Hit her with a pushpull line. Tell a story about the time you beat up a bear. etc etc''. It's just not fit for purpose lol. Them lines can't compete with a guy who she looks at and is instantly attracted. Genuine Attraction doesn't come from that stuff. At best you can display confidence. And of course the main idea behind 'game' is that confidence is super attractive to girls, but it's only half of the story

yeah , what people do not want to understand that technique is important , but not more important than other things

just to give you an example , I am a tier 2 white guy , because I am east European ( basically everything Easter than Germany is tier 2 ) . If I tell this too fast , then I see how most women start to turn cold ,because my nationality is not considered good from a social point of view

if I say this after a while , when she gets to know me a bit , then she will not really care , and say how must guys from Eastern Europe are a bunch of peasants ( which is mostly true by the way ) , and then continue how I am not like that and that she never met anyone like me Bla bla bla

so , according to pua this should not be an issue at all , but in reality it is

as an example , at some point I was casual dating this Spanish woman and she told me not to tell her friends that I am from X country , because her friends will make fun of her

Pua tehnique is good to have , and it has a lot of good things , but alone is worthless , as who delivers it is very important

same thing in the business world , you will always put a higher price on someone that worked for a big corporation or graduated from a top university , even if most likely that guy is as good as someone that does not have This bling blings . And as jobs are limited , the guys with the bling bling will have priority

 

[Sam_J]

none of them is legit.

lmao

 

[B80]

I'm slightly surprised by people that know how many women they've slept with after a certain point. Think I lost track after about 20. Could be anything between 60 and 100, with around half of those being 'lady night' from my time in SE Asia.

But I guess like a lot of things, different people keep closer tabs/records on different pursuits.

A bit like nights out and people next day say, I had 6 pints, 3 double vodka and cokes, then 4 tequillas etc, lol. I have literally no idea how or care about counting when out.