PUAs be lying about their lays

[characternote]

john anthony is mostly full of sh1t.
His 'game' is the exact same game as a guy who has never heard of this stuff.
His 'method' is to say 'hi', tell her she's cute, ask how tall she is and tell her he's 6ft 4, tell her he's a dj and it's his friends birthday, ask if she likes grey goose vodka, then invite her back to the ''party' for some vodka. (even many of his 'pulls' from his product looked super suss to me. He went ham on the old RSD trick of claiming a 'pull' if a girl agrees to get into a cab with you for some free drinks)

He also had lots of his texts and stuff leaked by his ex business partner (Sonny) after an argument between them, and it appeared to show John Anthony haggling over prices with various sugar babies and hookers in Colombia.

He's also a complete moron (had some of the most cringy live streams known to man that he since deleted back in the day). he's surely got some mental issues that wouldn't line up for someone who has 'game' (e.g - he's odd. Doesn't haveww charisma. Can't seem to read the room etc.)

As for his lay count, his claims are ridiculous

He's probably banged a decent number of girls, but mainly from paying them

And with cold approach, he's probably banged a good handful as you'd expect from anyone whose whole life is to get laid. It is a numbers game afterall. But his success rate will be no better than the next random guy on the street. He has nothing to teach anyone. Stay away lol

 

[Guy69JackBlue]

john anthony is mostly full of sh1t.
His 'game' is the exact same game as a guy who has never heard of this stuff.
His 'method' is to say 'hi', tell her she's cute, ask how tall she is and tell her he's 6ft 4, tell her he's a dj and it's his friends birthday, ask if she likes grey goose vodka, then invite her back to the ''party' for some vodka. (even many of his 'pulls' from his product looked super suss to me. He went ham on the old RSD trick of claiming a 'pull' if a girl agrees to get into a cab with you for some free drinks)

He also had lots of his texts and stuff leaked by his ex business partner (Sonny) after an argument between them, and it appeared to show John Anthony haggling over prices with various sugar babies and hookers in Colombia.

He's also a complete moron (had some of the most cringy live streams known to man that he since deleted back in the day). he's surely got some mental issues that wouldn't line up for someone who has 'game' (e.g - he's odd. Doesn't haveww charisma. Can't seem to read the room etc.)

As for his lay count, his claims are ridiculous

He's probably banged a decent number of girls, but mainly from paying them

And with cold approach, he's probably banged a good handful as you'd expect from anyone whose whole life is to get laid. But his success rate will be no better than the next random guy on the street. He has nothing to teach anyone. Stay away lol

Haha. I was going to say 1000 is only possible if you pay. But I didn't want to be the one to bring it up first.

I've been with 1000 girls easily. I lost count and no I'm not claiming it's anything impressive to fvck escorts.

I bet this guy got ripped off in Colombia. Shouldn't cost more than $50usd max.

 

[Bigpapa]

john anthony is mostly full of sh1t.
His 'game' is the exact same game as a guy who has never heard of this stuff.
His 'method' is to say 'hi', tell her she's cute, ask how tall she is and tell her he's 6ft 4, tell her he's a dj and it's his friends birthday, ask if she likes grey goose vodka, then invite her back to the ''party' for some vodka. (even many of his 'pulls' from his product looked super suss to me. He went ham on the old RSD trick of claiming a 'pull' if a girl agrees to get into a cab with you for some free drinks)

He also had lots of his texts and stuff leaked by his ex business partner (Sonny) after an argument between them, and it appeared to show John Anthony haggling over prices with various sugar babies and hookers in Colombia.

He's also a complete moron (had some of the most cringy live streams known to man that he since deleted back in the day). he's surely got some mental issues that wouldn't line up for someone who has 'game' (e.g - he's odd. Doesn't haveww charisma. Can't seem to read the room etc.)

As for his lay count, his claims are ridiculous

He's probably banged a decent number of girls, but mainly from paying them

And with cold approach, he's probably banged a good handful as you'd expect from anyone whose whole life is to get laid. It is a numbers game afterall. But his success rate will be no better than the next random guy on the street. He has nothing to teach anyone. Stay away lol

what guys tend to forget is that the woman verbal game on average is lame

to have a witty discussion , you also need a partner with whom to have it

most of the “game” that women have is due to the vast amount of options they have + knowing they have the upper hand prior to intimacy

that is why most of the tricks and stuff like that this guys claim to work , never really work unless she is attracted to you at least medium

most of the good puas out there mainly rely on their looks + presentation skills

for example that guy Julian from rsd is a really good looking guy . Ofc if he does a lot of approaches he will have A way higher count than an a guy using the same technique or even something better

Most women will not f8ck most of the guys that she finds at least cute , otherwise it will be a never ending f8ck session

I would say that the best pua advice guys can have is from hitch “ just do not be stupid and mess things up “

 

[characternote]

what guys tend to forget is that the woman verbal game on average is lame

to have a witty discussion , you also need a partner with whom to have it

most of the “game” that women have is due to the vast amount of options they have + knowing they have the upper hand prior to intimacy

that is why most of the tricks and stuff like that this guys claim to work , never really work unless she is attracted to you at least medium

most of the good puas out there mainly rely on their looks + presentation skills

for example that guy Julian from rsd is a really good looking guy . Ofc if he does a lot of approaches he will have A way higher count than an a guy using the same technique or even something better (fairly marginal difference)

I would say that the best pua advice guys can have is from hitch “ just do not be stupid and mess things up “

well I do basically agree, but it's kind of a different discussion.
I mean, even though i'm giving that moron john Anthony (jmulv) a hard time, i'd also concede that it's not as if there's anyone out there who could do tonnes better than him if they morphed into his body.
As you say, it's really about meeting her level of physical attraction, and then more or less it's just flirting and escalating in a calibrated way and not f***ing up too bad. It's not that hard. I always felt that people gave themselves WAY too much credit when they pull a girl lol. PUA purists don't like hearing that 'game' is basically flirting (because obviously a girl doesn't want a guy who she's not remotely attracted too flirting with her lol). The problem has always been that the 'attraction material'/aspect of game is so weak. ''She tells you she's not interetsed? She's not attracted. That means you need to do more 'attraction material'. More negs. Hit her with a pushpull line. Tell a story about the time you beat up a bear. etc etc''. It's just not fit for purpose lol. Them lines can't compete with a guy who she looks at and is instantly attracted. Genuine Attraction doesn't come from that stuff. At best you can display confidence. And of course the main idea behind 'game' is that confidence is super attractive to girls, but it's only half of the story

 

[Bigpapa]

Julian from RSD is average looking in my opinion but he is tall and and dresses ok.

he is maybe overall an 8, above average looking guy for sure + American \ English whatever it is ( so tier 1 white guy )

he has an smv in the top 10% maybe

 

[Bigpapa]

well I do basically agree, but it's kind of a different discussion.
I mean, even though i'm giving that moron john Anthony (jmulv) a hard time, i'd also concede that it's not as if there's anyone out there who could do much better than him if they morphed into his body.
As you say, it's really about meeting her level of physical attraction, and then more or less it's just flirting and escalating in a calibrated way and not f***ing up too bad. It's not that hard. I always felt that people gave themselves WAY too much credit when they pull a girl lol. PUA purists don't like hearing that 'game' is basically flirting (because obviously a girl doesn't want a guy who she's not remotely attracted too flirting with her lol). The problem has always been that the 'attraction material'/aspect of game is so weak. ''She tells you she's not interetsed? She's not attracted. That means you need to do more 'attraction material'. More negs. Hit her with a pushpull line. Tell a story about the time you beat up a bear. etc etc''. It's just not fit for purpose lol. Them lines can't compete with a guy who she looks at and is instantly attracted. Genuine Attraction doesn't come from that stuff. At best you can display confidence. And of course the main idea behind 'game' is that confidence is super attractive to girls, but it's only half of the story

yeah , what people do not want to understand that technique is important , but not more important than other things

just to give you an example , I am a tier 2 white guy , because I am east European ( basically everything Easter than Germany is tier 2 ) . If I tell this too fast , then I see how most women start to turn cold ,because my nationality is not considered good from a social point of view

if I say this after a while , when she gets to know me a bit , then she will not really care , and say how must guys from Eastern Europe are a bunch of peasants ( which is mostly true by the way ) , and then continue how I am not like that and that she never met anyone like me Bla bla bla

so , according to pua this should not be an issue at all , but in reality it is

as an example , at some point I was casual dating this Spanish woman and she told me not to tell her friends that I am from X country , because her friends will make fun of her

Pua tehnique is good to have , and it has a lot of good things , but alone is worthless , as who delivers it is very important

same thing in the business world , you will always put a higher price on someone that worked for a big corporation or graduated from a top university , even if most likely that guy is as good as someone that does not have This bling blings . And as jobs are limited , the guys with the bling bling will have priority

 

[Sam_J]

none of them is legit.

lmao

 

[Fruitbat]

I've done 2 dates in one evening, but never 2 lays in one evening.

I have.

2003. Went back with a woman who was beautiful but a bit older (like early 30s).

what she didn’t tell me is we went back to her cousins house because she be married. She be married to a big ass man. After bumping uglies, said man turns up at 2am on the doorstep with her 14 year old kid shouting “look at what you’re doing to this family”

I never knew any of this and I told her to go, felt terrible.

so, as soon as she went, her cousin (who was about my age 23ish) immediately jumps on me and we spend the night f00king.

walked out and that was the last I saw of either of them.

 

[B80]

I'm slightly surprised by people that know how many women they've slept with after a certain point. Think I lost track after about 20. Could be anything between 60 and 100, with around half of those being 'lady night' from my time in SE Asia.

But I guess like a lot of things, different people keep closer tabs/records on different pursuits.

A bit like nights out and people next day say, I had 6 pints, 3 double vodka and cokes, then 4 tequillas etc, lol. I have literally no idea how or care about counting when out.

 

[Pandora]

I have.

2003. Went back with a woman who was beautiful but a bit older (like early 30s).

what she didn’t tell me is we went back to her cousins house because she be married. She be married to a big ass man. After bumping uglies, said man turns up at 2am on the doorstep with her 14 year old kid shouting “look at what you’re doing to this family”

I never knew any of this and I told her to go, felt terrible.

so, as soon as she went, her cousin (who was about my age 23ish) immediately jumps on me and we spend the night f00king.

walked out and that was the last I saw of either of them.

hahah bro what? That was one dysfunctional family. So the man didn't try to beat you up? And the cousin knew you just smashed her older cousin but wanted seconds? Were you not afraid to stay in the house after being caught? Btw I love this story lol

 

[B80]

Back to original post, but those numbers don;t sound too outlandish to me. If you're devoting tens of hours to your life each week meeting women - particularly if its your main source of income, business etc. Generally the more you focus and apply yourself to something, the better you get. Couple with being half decent looking, solid 'game', personality, in the right city, I'd imagine its certainly possible.

Particularly if you live in a large city, which attracts high numbers of younger tourists who'll likely be partying - somewhere like Barcelona, which is where I believe @Bigpapa lives. Possibly if based out in certain holiday/party destinations like ibiza, majorca, certain greek islands that attract loads of young drunk women for a few months duriing the summer season. Imagine you could get through a few women each week if you're good at this kind of thing.

If you're living a fairly typical life - working 40 hours a week (outside of pua industry), have other interests outside of women, you'd have to be top tier in something to hit those numbers as your time spent out there would be much lower so you'd need to be closing women quickly, couldn't spam approach. Also would probably be compromising on quality.

 

[Fruitbat]

hahah bro what? That was one dysfunctional family. So the man didn't try to beat you up? And the cousin knew you just smashed her older cousin but wanted seconds? Were you not afraid to stay in the house after being caught? Btw I love this story lol

I was extremely scared of the large older man with his kid on the doorstep.

She left. He left. I did spend much of the night rather worried about a knock on the door again.

yes the younger cousin was trash. They were all trash being honest.

just for the record I had no idea of any of this and would have never have played had I known she was married with a kid

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

Yes. I totally agree that you can pull dozens a year if you are in a very lucky and specific situations like popular a frat house on a big college campus. Even this is not consistent tail year round. But these guys are claiming frat house numbers as grown men for 3+ years lol...

Also if you are pulling that much tail eventually you will get into a short term relationship which would interrupt your lays. The one time in my life I was pulling that much tail was when I was a 28yr old living on a college campus basically and even then it was max a new girl a month average for a few months.

Lmfao Pandora mate, da **** you doing on a college dorm at 28? That's straight out of my playbook. picked up a 21 yr old college girl. beat it rotten and emptied my balls on her face. The more savage I went the wetter she got. fellas need to kick dumpty off the pedestal (figuratively not literal violence lulz). I've had spells of rampage where it back to back girls. Some new prospects or something new. Dumb luck. Other dry spells to particularly when I 1st learned game. crazy hot streak followed by getting lazy with game. rotation erosion. school boy error. it taught me that importance of lead generation but man, Game is work.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

hahah bro what? That was one dysfunctional family. So the man didn't try to beat you up? And the cousin knew you just smashed her older cousin but wanted seconds? Were you not afraid to stay in the house after being caught? Btw I love this story lol

I 1x went back to a girls place I had originally picked up irl. Cold approach. if it had been OLD dating, I likely would have bailed. Her room and setup seemed sketchy. Porch light off. Dim light in the hallway. Every door was closed. Place had a weird vibe. like a horror movie. Like someone was going to jump out of nowhere. invited to "watch a movie." Went straight from her front door to her bedroom. Got to the bedroom and there was no tv! Lulz!

 

[Pandora]

Lmfao Pandora mate, da **** you doing on a college dorm at 28? That's straight out of my playbook. picked up a 21 yr old college girl. beat it rotten and emptied my balls on her face. The more savage I went the wetter she got. fellas need to kick dumpty off the pedestal (figuratively not literal violence lulz). I've had spells of rampage where it back to back girls. Some new prospects or something new. Dumb luck. Other dry spells to particularly when I 1st learned game. crazy hot streak followed by getting lazy with game. rotation erosion. school boy error. it taught me that importance of lead generation but man, Game is work.

lolol...when did you get this 21 yr old? And where did you find her? Do you live next to a university? The reason I was in college housing was because I was a grad student so I qualified for the housing lol.

 

[Pandora]

I 1x went back to a girls place I had originally picked up irl. Cold approach. if it had been OLD dating, I likely would have bailed. Her room and setup seemed sketchy. Porch light off. Dim light in the hallway. Every door was closed. Place had a weird vibe. like a horror movie. Like someone was going to jump out of nowhere. invited to "watch a movie." Went straight from her front door to her bedroom. Got to the bedroom and there was no tv! Lulz!

bro wtf? Was it a same day lay? I need to come to your city lol

 

[Guy69JackBlue]

I have.

2003. Went back with a woman who was beautiful but a bit older (like early 30s).

what she didn’t tell me is we went back to her cousins house because she be married. She be married to a big ass man. After bumping uglies, said man turns up at 2am on the doorstep with her 14 year old kid shouting “look at what you’re doing to this family”

I never knew any of this and I told her to go, felt terrible.

so, as soon as she went, her cousin (who was about my age 23ish) immediately jumps on me and we spend the night f00king.

walked out and that was the last I saw of either of them.

I was with 6 girls in one day once while on vacation in Dominican Republic. (Obviously not for free in case I needed to mention that).

 

[B80]

I was with 6 girls in one day once while on vacation in Dominican Republic. (Obviously not for free in case I needed to mention that).

haha, you must have an extremely high sex drive to do that.

 

[Guy69JackBlue]

haha, you must have an extremely high sex drive to do that.

I was drunk the whole day. Started drinking at noon.

Forgot to mention... It was a threesome, a "twosome", and a foursome.

 

[characternote]

I was drunk the whole day. Started drinking at noon.

Forgot to mention... It was a threesome, a "twosome", and a foursome.

lol, a freind of mine done that in Amsterdam (banged about 6 hookers in the same day, in between beers and various drugs)
Smoking hot 18 year olds.