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So I am watching this Incel live stream from FACE LMS. He is debating a PUA who claims his ugly PUA partner is smashing 50 girls a YEAR. The PUA claims he smashed 300 to 400 girls in his lifetime of 31 yrs.

I think many of these guys greatly exaggerate how many girls they smash. I have known actual fitness models Chads who were div 1 atheletes and had fitness model contracts. They were doing maybe 5 new girls on a good month and this was not consistent. Even that was incredible. On average it was maybe 3 new girls a month. This is only 36 girls a year.

I know I have better game than most of these PUAs and I have never done anywhere close to 50 in ONE year unless I dont care about the quality of the females looks.

I bet if you were to meet these guys in real life they are good, but they are not as good as they claim. I dont know why they cant keep it real lol.
 

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It's strange when you go out with these guys, because all of a sudden, they have excuses for why they're not 'picking up' any hot women.

'Ah man, there's no girls in here I like' is what they'll usually say.

Go out with one of these losers one night. You'll see for yourself that the only chicks they pick up are mediocre looking at best.
Lol exactly. Anytime you go out with a guy that claims he smashed hundreds of girls they alway have exscuses. They never produce results. 99% of guys that say they smashed over 200 girls before tbe age of 40 is lying.
 

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It's strange when you go out with these guys, because all of a sudden, they have excuses for why they're not 'picking up' any hot women.

'Ah man, there's no girls in here I like' is what they'll usually say.

Go out with one of these losers one night. You'll see for yourself that the only chicks they pick up are mediocre looking at best.
I went out with a few fron RSD Sydney, one guy said the only success he had was an instant date two years ago. Keep in mind this guy approaches every weekend.Another guy claimed "none of the girls are my type".

So many guys have been doing this for years and been getting no results
 

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Depends on their location and how much they devote to dating. My best year was 25 new lays. I’m in Jersey. Had I lived in NYC or Brooklyn it would probably be double.
Yes okay that was your BEST year. Even if it was 50 that year there is no way you can do that consistently for many years. Being on a hot streak usually happens because of specific circumstances that are not easily reproducible. Btw 25 a year is really good. What year was this and what were you doing? Im not sure that is possible in 2021.
 

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I went out with a few fron RSD Sydney, one guy said the only success he had was an instant date two years ago. Keep in mind this guy approaches every weekend.Another guy claimed "none of the girls are my type".

So many guys have been doing this for years and been getting no results
Exactly bro. I would say that if a man is sleeping with 5 new girls a year than he is doing well in this climate. No notches count if they are below a 5/10 though.
 

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running a large active social circle can get close to these numbers. there is more to it than just find, do, count. the social circle has to be actively changing members by design. Any kind of teaching/leading situation that has a primary goal, that results in attendance of a revolving number of age desired women. It happens in exactly the places the unaware would not believe it.

church
kids activities
sports clubs
...

maybe in a large nightclub, a regular can target the newcomers, I don't know.

just doing cold approaches, no unless counting repeats and that is not cold anymore.

virtual doesn't count.
 

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You know hopping on OLD, sending d pics and being overly sexual, I mean you shouldn't do it all the time but I just shot gun a bunch of messages, usually 1 or 2 respond, even if they tell you it's rude just ride it out... I probably bang... 25 women a year doing this, just banging on the first meeting.

Covid has slowed me right down but we're just opening up on the 1st

Cold approach I couldn't say because I can keep a plate
 

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So I am watching this Incel live stream from FACE LMS. He is debating a PUA who claims his ugly PUA partner is smashing 50 girls a YEAR. The PUA claims he smashed 300 to 400 girls in his lifetime of 31 yrs.

I think many of these guys greatly exaggerate how many girls they smash. I have known actual fitness models Chads who were div 1 atheletes and had fitness model contracts. They were doing maybe 5 new girls on a good month and this was not consistent. Even that was incredible. On average it was maybe 3 new girls a month. This is only 36 girls a year.

I know I have better game than most of these PUAs and I have never done anywhere close to 50 in ONE year unless I dont care about the quality of the females looks.

I bet if you were to meet these guys in real life they are good, but they are not as good as they claim. I dont know why they cant keep it real lol.
I don't disagree with you on the amount of lying in the space. Lots of con jobs. In fairness we got red pill rants 0 infield or receipts but but... hypergamy.

It's all a up sell. Neil Strauss is a example. Con man. One of many. At least they approach. While the numbers are extremely exaggerated, your model or Chad likely are domain dependent. College frat lid reliance on the frat house or college. No play otherwise.

There's a much better use of your time then incel podcasts. While I don't disagree with you on the blatant exaggeration, there's more ROI in approaching vs listening to Kevin Samuels tell a woman she's average at best or f&f kicking off entitled skanks. It's entertaining yes but it's not improving any body's life. It's the consolation prize for mediocrity. it's like a Coop vblog dunking on single mom's.

The most useful piece in ages I heard on RZ in recent years was Troy quoting Owen about copying guys who get girls and he got girls IN THE PROCESS.

If I up sold pickup saying you are going to get rejected and take Ls nonstop and you will pull eventually, most guys will watch porn and simp. It's no stop output and scoring eventually. it's a lot of work but fun too and you live on your terms. there's better use of time. Utilize it to the best of your ability.

Model pua with a 10% success rate. How's it going from that perspective? great up sell for boot camps.
 

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I just dont understand how men are still giving their money to these PUAs. I also cant understand how men can be so delusional as to on AIR claim they slept with 400 chicks. Do they really believe this?
Have you seen a f&f chat? Guys are throwing money at a podcast where girls are paid to come on. Trash only fans yet plug their crap. is there any red pill receipts?in fields? Outside of Troy, who?

I think in time better avenues will be available but wtf is the alternative? Tinder? Just wait for the wall and Tyrone to get done with her best years?

Anytime people are selling you something, you should be skeptical. I can't speak for everyone. In my experience, approaching irl has always yielded better outcomes then tinder or OLD.

Guys bragging about obnoxious amounts of kills is likely projecting and selling.
 

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So I am watching this Incel live stream from FACE LMS. He is debating a PUA who claims his ugly PUA partner is smashing 50 girls a YEAR. The PUA claims he smashed 300 to 400 girls in his lifetime of 31 yrs.

I think many of these guys greatly exaggerate how many girls they smash. I have known actual fitness models Chads who were div 1 atheletes and had fitness model contracts. They were doing maybe 5 new girls on a good month and this was not consistent. Even that was incredible. On average it was maybe 3 new girls a month. This is only 36 girls a year.

I know I have better game than most of these PUAs and I have never done anywhere close to 50 in ONE year unless I dont care about the quality of the females looks.

I bet if you were to meet these guys in real life they are good, but they are not as good as they claim. I dont know why they cant keep it real lol.
Which one? I'm usually up to date on his streams, and I haven't heard this one.
 

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Lol exactly. Anytime you go out with a guy that claims he smashed hundreds of girls they alway have exscuses. They never produce results. 99% of guys that say they smashed over 200 girls before tbe age of 40 is lying.
Unless he paid for them, including considering getting a happy ending for a lap dance as "smashing". Heck, I'm well into 3 digits with this definition. o_O
 

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They all lie MASSIVELY! It's their livelihood. They can't risk telling the truth. Don't listen to any of them lol. Literally anyone can be a PUA coach.
 

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PUA instructor: "Be confident! Own the room!"

Student to PUA after approach: "She walked off."

PUA instructor: "She didn't reject you. She was just in a hurry to be somewhere else. That'll be $1,499."
sounds a great business model lol tell people what they want to hear
 

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I think it’s more laughable (or cringe) when the pickup gurus try to play up their “struggles” with women in order to “relate” to their clients.

The client will be some legit 27 yo virgin guy.

PU Guru: “Dude, I started out struggling with women JUST LIKE YOU. I was the loser in high school and college and only had like three or four girlfriends by the time I was 19.”
 
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Which one? I'm usually up to date on his streams, and I haven't heard this one.
So I just sent the screenshot of the episode. It was an interesting debate but I think he may have made the stream private. Basically it was the classic Redpill vs Blackpool argument. The Redpill coach said he smashed 300 to 400 chicks which I call bs on.
 

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It's all a up sell. Neil Strauss is a example. Con man. One of many. At least they approach. While the numbers are extremely exaggerated, your model or Chad likely are domain dependent. College frat lid reliance on the frat house or college. No play otherwise.
Yes. I totally agree that you can pull dozens a year if you are in a very lucky and specific situations like popular a frat house on a big college campus. Even this is not consistent tail year round. But these guys are claiming frat house numbers as grown men for 3+ years lol...

Also if you are pulling that much tail eventually you will get into a short term relationship which would interrupt your lays. The one time in my life I was pulling that much tail was when I was a 28yr old living on a college campus basically and even then it was max a new girl a month average for a few months.
 

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I think it’s more laughable (or cringe) when the pickup gurus try to play up their “struggles” with women in order to “relate” to their clients.

The client will be some legit 27 yo virgin guy.

PU Guru: “Dude, I started out struggling with women JUST LIKE YOU. I was the loser in high school and college and only had like three or four girlfriends by the time I was 19.”
Haha exactly. Meanwhile the PUA is a Chad lite white dude that is 6 foot 3 with muscles.
 
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