PUAs be lying about their lays

[Pandora]

They all lie MASSIVELY! It's their livelihood. They can't risk telling the truth. Don't listen to any of them lol. Literally anyone can be a PUA coach.

They dont even make the lies convincing. If you have any experience with women you would know that even smashing 1 new girl a week for an extended period of time is phenomenal. These clowns are claiming 10 girls a month and virgins are believing them lmao. I was trying to call in the show and call the dude out on his bs.

 

[Pandora]

You know hopping on OLD, sending d pics and being overly sexual, I mean you shouldn't do it all the time but I just shot gun a bunch of messages, usually 1 or 2 respond, even if they tell you it's rude just ride it out... I probably bang... 25 women a year doing this, just banging on the first meeting.

Covid has slowed me right down but we're just opening up on the 1st

Cold approach I couldn't say because I can keep a plate

Okay I can believe 25 a year which is 2 a month. That sounds reasonable. Those are still really good numbers in this climate.

Btw I didnt know that this OLD method worka.I will try it out if I ever get back online. Nothing beats volume I guess. Dating is essentially sales.

 

[Pandora]

Like said above, if these dudes sold it as hard work and repeated rejection, most guys would puss out.

Very true. I would though. I would have to keep it real with my clients. I cant lie about stuff like this lol.

 

[Pandora]

running a large active social circle can get close to these numbers. there is more to it than just find, do, count. the social circle has to be actively changing members by design. Any kind of teaching/leading situation that has a primary goal, that results in attendance of a revolving number of age desired women. It happens in exactly the places the unaware would not believe it.

church
kids activities
sports clubs
...

maybe in a large nightclub, a regular can target the newcomers, I don't know.

just doing cold approaches, no unless counting repeats and that is not cold anymore.

virtual doesn't count.

Yes I agree. You have to have a revolving door of high volume. And you have to have status within that social circle. And even then 50 a year is still a lot.

Most guys main problem is the volume issue. They just are not exposed to that many single women.

 

[characternote]

They dont even make the lies convincing. If you have any experience with women you would know that even smashing 1 new girl a week for an extended period of time is phenomenal. These clowns are claiming 10 girls a month and virgins are believing them lmao. I was trying to call in the show and call the dude out on his bs.

Thing is, these 'pros' will have a very similar hit rate to the random dude on the street who's never heard of game. There's nothing under the umbrella of PUA that is powerful. No secret techniques or lines that make girls attracted to you. And most of what is taught is just what normal guys will do naturally!
But having game will help you more efficiently close the attracted girls.
So with that in mind, you could argue that the guy with game has a SLIGHTLY better hit rate than random Joe Bloggs. But it's fairly inconsequential.

Some of them are more honest than others, but as we said, it's their business! It's how they make their money. They can't afford to let you see behind the curtain. Who would bother taking 'coaching' if they realised there's nothing they could be 'taught' that is gonna change their results by more than like 2%

James Tusk is making like £300 per HOUR for just walking next to some student and pointing out girls for him to go and hit on. Living the dream! No wonder he quit his highly paid job city job for becoming a PUA! Making more money and with the easiest gig known to man!

In terms of numbers - I think my best year was about 17 girls in the year. Although i'm not that handsome, I only tend to hit on cute girls half me age, AND I only really approach 1-2 nights per week (pre covid).

I have 2 slayer friends. One has a count of many hundreds (mainly online sex meets from tinder)

The other one (from many of my FR's in my old journal here) only has a slay count of maybe 60 or so, although if he wanted too, it could be 400+ I guess. I mean, he can get laid every night if he wanted too lol. But he chooses not too.

High numbers are possible but it's more about footfall as opposed to 'skill' - That's the more devious thing about PUA's

If some big oafish PUA tells me he's banged 400 girls, I either know he's lying, or he's just banged a tonne of actual old goblins. Or hookers like jmulv/john anthony

Online game is where good looking guys can really rack up the numbers, though. 'Game' isn't an issue. The best example is a male model looking guy on a forum I sometimes read for laughs. He's autistic and girls on tinder will sometimes call him out for being a bit weird etc, but he still bangs a tonne because past a certain point, it's just too hard to lose attraction if she thinks you are hot af. He's got like 150 lays in the last 2 years and has provided lots of legit proof. Not that he really needed too. I know from my own good looking friends how easy it can be - especially in the right location and stuff

 

[Pandora]

Thing is, these 'pros' will have a very similar hit rate to the random dude on the street who's never heard of game. There's nothing under the umbrella of PUA that is powerful. No secret techniques or lines that make girls attracted to you. And most of what is taught is just what normal guys will do naturally!
But having game will help you more efficiently close the attracted girls.
So with that in mind, you could argue that the guy with game has a SLIGHTLY better hit rate than random Joe Bloggs. But it's fairly inconsequential.

Some of them are more honest than others, but as we said, it's their business! It's how they make their money. They can't afford to let you see behind the curtain. Who would bother taking 'coaching' if they realised there's nothing they could be 'taught' that is gonna change their results by more than like 2%

James Tusk is making like £300 per HOUR for just walking next to some student and pointing out girls for him to go and hit on. Living the dream! No wonder he quit his highly paid job city job for becoming a PUA! Making more money and with the easiest gig known to man!

In terms of numbers - I think my best year was about 17 girls in the year. Although i'm not that handsome, I only tend to hit on cute girls half me age, AND I only really approach 1-2 nights per week (pre covid).

I have 2 slayer friends. One has a count of many hundreds (mainly online sex meets from tinder)

The other one (from many of my FR's in my old journal here) only has a slay count of maybe 60 or so, although if he wanted too, it could be 400+ I guess. I mean, he can get laid every night if he wanted too lol. But he chooses not too.

High numbers are possible but it's more about footfall as opposed to 'skill' - That's the more devious thing about PUA's

If some big oafish PUA tells me he's banged 400 girls, I either know he's lying, or he's just banged a tonne of actual old goblins. Or hookers like jmulv/john anthony

Online game is where good looking guys can really rack up the numbers, though. 'Game' isn't an issue. The best example is a male model looking guy on a forum I sometimes read for laughs. He's autistic and girls on tinder will sometimes call him out for being a bit weird etc, but he still bangs a tonne because past a certain point, it's just too hard to lose attraction if she thinks you are hot af. He's got like 150 lays in the last 2 years and has provided lots of legit proof. Not that he really needed too. I know from my own good looking friends how easy it can be - especially in the right location and stuff

Yeh I can see this being true lol. Hey btw what is footfall? And 150 lays is about 75 a year. Damn thats impressive.

 

[characternote]

Yeh I can see this being true lol. Hey btw what is footfall? And 150 lays is about 75 a year. Damn thats impressive.

footfall = coming across lots of approachable girls. Basically 'numbers game'. I'm saying that for someone to get laid a tonne on cold approach is more due to the fact he approaches a tonne as opposed to him having some sort of mythical 'skill' to force attraction in any girl he chooses

Yes, 150 in 2 years is a lots and not close to achievable for an average looking guy (unless you massively drop standards)
He bangs fairly hot girls though from what i've seen. Not amazing, though. He is always accused of being a catfish, and eventually after sending the girls an autistic looking photo, they agree to meet and bang lol

 

[metalwater]

Yes I agree. You have to have a revolving door of high volume. And you have to have status within that social circle. And even then 50 a year is still a lot.

Most guys main problem is the volume issue. They just are not exposed to that many single women.

getting to that number includes not just single women. but then again, are any women single... that have any value.

 

[Travel memoir21]

My old best friend - my DJ buddy (actual music DJ house and trance duo) was the best PUA I ever saw. He was formidable. Body of a Greek god, very intelligent, very cultured, great job, and very skilled with women. (Sadly he’s dead now from suicide - long story)

he spent most of his life going round the world partying and chasing girls and his best ever was 25 in a year. I think you would have to be famous to beat that. I guess in his life 300 might be about right.

I reckon mine is 25 in a lifetime at age 40, but have been married for 11 years of that. I was also obese for about 5 years while single, so I guess I was only in the game 7 years.

25 is quite good compared to most the men I know, I would prob estimate a few more that I can barely remember. But I ain’t no PUA. I only come here for the lulz.

suicide? avid partier, world traveler, dates multiple women? Why so unhappy? RIP

 

[Guy69JackBlue]

Duh.

Lay count doesn't mean a thing to me, anyway. It doesn't matter if you laid 300 or 1 last year, that's not what it's all about, IMO.

Like said above, if these dudes sold it as hard work and repeated rejection, most guys would puss out.

It's not worth the effort.

The judge of a person's value isn't whether or not a bunch of wannabe princesses think he's "Chad." These girls don't know what value is and isn't. They don't perceive the world accurately.

 

[Pandora]

he spent most of his life going round the world partying and chasing girls and his best ever was 25 in a year. I think you would have to be famous to beat that. I guess in his life 300 might be about right.

Exactly bro. 25 a year is really good. That is 2 a month. Thats why I find it so comical that this guy went on air and said his ugly PUA protege is doing 50 a year for 3 yrs. Either he is shamelessly lying or is a sociopath. Either was the bigger idiots are the people he is getting money from.

 

[Pandora]

Personally I'm skeptical of a lay count above 100 (except famous people: actors, sportsmen, musicians..)
Men lie about their lay count all the time, the ones who claimed to have 100+ sh/t in their pants when it's time to approach.
Men also usually lie about the quality of women they fvck. It makes me think of some of my friends, they would say man I fvcked that super hot chix yesterday, I'm like nice show me a picture!! ehhhhhhhh, most of the time they were 5s, sometimes 6s.

100: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5...100 it's a lot of women, count it out loud. Guys who do reach 100 (which is possible), 90% of their lays are 6s and below.
We know all the BS we have to go through to get laid, especially with hot girls.. high lay counts are pure lies in my opinion.

Exactly 1000% . This is what I am trying to communicate in this thread. I just cant picture any non celebrity guy smashing more than 150 chicks in his lifetime.

So this means you did not have ANY long term relationships or any drought periods at all?

I got into an argument with my best friend on this topic. We have a mutual friend who swears he has been with over 500 women. My best friend confirms this. I told him he is full of it. This super slayer is an obese 40 something who I never see with a hot chick only hood rats.

 

[Snag87]

Does anyone believe their outlandish claims?

 

[Pandora]

It's not worth the effort.

The judge of a person's value isn't whether or not a bunch of wannabe princesses think he's "Chad." These girls don't know what value is and isn't. They don't perceive the world accurately.

Exactly. Any particular rejection from a female should never be taken too personally. They do not have a good metric of a mans worth. Fathers are much better at judging the quality of a man. This is why the father walks his daughter down the aisle in weddings. This is why the man has to meet the FATHER. Most con artists target women because they are easily fooled. They are not designed for objective reality.

 

[Pandora]

Ya know, I just now realized what OP was doing with the thread title. It rhymes.

Took me a while, but I got it.

Haha its was not intentional. But I like it.

 

[bat soup]

So I am watching this Incel live stream from FACE LMS. He is debating a PUA who claims his ugly PUA partner is smashing 50 girls a YEAR. The PUA claims he smashed 300 to 400 girls in his lifetime of 31 yrs.

I think many of these guys greatly exaggerate how many girls they smash. I have known actual fitness models Chads who were div 1 atheletes and had fitness model contracts. They were doing maybe 5 new girls on a good month and this was not consistent. Even that was incredible. On average it was maybe 3 new girls a month. This is only 36 girls a year.

I know I have better game than most of these PUAs and I have never done anywhere close to 50 in ONE year unless I dont care about the quality of the females looks.

I bet if you were to meet these guys in real life they are good, but they are not as good as they claim. I dont know why they cant keep it real lol.

A man could feasibly bang 2 women a day if he really, really knows what he's doing, has very low standards whilst looking almost perfect himself, lives in an ideal location and is also totally ruthless about cutting women off. That would be 700 a year. However, I don't think there are many men in the world that has actually achieved that.

There is one guy (John Anthony) that claims over 1300 lays and it's feasible, although I don't know what all of these women looked like. Some of them were hot for sure.

 

[Bokanovsky]

The general rule of thumb is that any guy who talks about his "lay count" is lying. Guys who really do have a high count have no reason to brag about it. You can tell that they are good with women just be being around them.

 

[Sam_J]

So I am watching this Incel live stream from FACE LMS. He is debating a PUA who claims his ugly PUA partner is smashing 50 girls a YEAR. The PUA claims he smashed 300 to 400 girls in his lifetime of 31 yrs.

I think many of these guys greatly exaggerate how many girls they smash. I have known actual fitness models Chads who were div 1 atheletes and had fitness model contracts. They were doing maybe 5 new girls on a good month and this was not consistent. Even that was incredible. On average it was maybe 3 new girls a month. This is only 36 girls a year.

I know I have better game than most of these PUAs and I have never done anywhere close to 50 in ONE year unless I dont care about the quality of the females looks.

I bet if you were to meet these guys in real life they are good, but they are not as good as they claim. I dont know why they cant keep it real lol.

Mike Mehlman is one of the only ones I've found who is real about how much he gets rejected. I recommend looking up his stuff.

 

[bat soup]

Mike Mehlman is one of the only ones I've found who is real about how much he gets rejected. I recommend looking up his stuff.

Yeah, I like him. He can actually approach 100 girls in a day and get about 20 numbers. Of those he might bang about 2. And that's in Osaka, Japan, where white guys are a novelty and a lot of the local men are scared to even make eye contact with women.

 

[Bigpapa]

Yes. I totally agree that you can pull dozens a year if you are in a very lucky and specific situations like popular a frat house on a big college campus. Even this is not consistent tail year round. But these guys are claiming frat house numbers as grown men for 3+ years lol...

Also if you are pulling that much tail eventually you will get into a short term relationship which would interrupt your lays. The one time in my life I was pulling that much tail was when I was a 28yr old living on a college campus basically and even then it was max a new girl a month average for a few months.

if you are a good looking guy + socially calibrated + putting a lot of effort in this , then you will reach those 24+ per year

but it takes a lot of focus to constantly do approaches in order to reach this numbers

most of the top puas are actually good looking guys that only do approaches , so I would not say that all of them are lying about their numbers