Sho-No-Luv
Senior Don Juan
Cmon, mods he's actually a good guy. 
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
This. The guy is Elliot Rogers 2.0.Last week I see him posting about feeling violent tendencies towards women, wanting to push them down stairs or whatever. This is not good material to be posting on any website and least of all here, where we are discussing sensitive topics and there are emotional, vulnerable minds that might get the wrong impression. Like I said to him on that very thread, he needs some sort of face to face professional input; not some pop psychology on an amateur internet forum like this, which clearly hasn't been working for him.
Well, we are all entitled to our opinions, LOL.This. The guy is Elliot Rogers 2.0.
He shows absolutely no ability or intention to consider other people's points of view, nor deviate from his quite frankly, disturbing and destructive views on women - impressionable noobs don't benefit from reading nonsense like this. And in all the time he's been on this forum he hasn't changed.
I hope the ban is permanent. His net contribution to this forum is a huge negative.
I like Tenacity and think he has more to offer than most here. He can offer solid, practical advice. He is just his own worst enemy when it comes to going off on people! It doesn't shock me that he got banned!
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.
True, in no small part due to guys like him...This forum isn't always the healthiest place to be.
No delusion here sweety.Don't have any dellusion that he will change his posting style once he comes back. He is who he is. He's frustrated and venting a lot here. He may be able to contain himself for a bit but we all know people don't change. Eventually he will resume true tenacity style.
I'm all for second chances for anyone.
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
Playherman?We need to unban playherman.
He wasn't so bad. Just working sh!t out like a lot of us are.
Hopefully he's unbanned soon. Figures out what he was doing wrong and focuses on what he was doing right. There were a lot of interesting things in his posts.
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.