"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Please help with this club/bar situation

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Jfc what a waste of energy this thread has become. 75 posts on how to handle one’s self in a bar when not drinking, none of that advice was followed, this is what this place is turning into, this type of thread where members are trying to give advice to someone who is not listening to a word being said
This thread appears to be someone that has no idea how to act in that setting because they have not frequented it much trying to unlock a "Holy Grail" of how to behave in that environment but coming off as strange.

I've seen this before many times from my perch above the dancefloor and it always turns out the same way...them giving off weird vibes due to not understanding how social interactions work in that environment.

OP would be far better off learning by immersion instead of to trying to hack the system when there is no hack for it.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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Jfc what a waste of energy this thread has become. 75 posts on how to handle one’s self in a bar when not drinking, none of that advice was followed, this is what this place is turning into, this type of thread where members are trying to give advice to someone who is not listening to a word being said
You’re actually worse troll a troll.. this is the last thing I am going to say and people here continuing to actually respond to you are insane for wasting their energy unless they have nothing else to do with their time either, you want to experience something that costs money without being willing to shell out the cost of being there, you must be a hell of a great time to hang out with.
If it makes you feel any better, I did take your advice seriously and added that to my repertoire of what is going on in that environment. Understanding what's going on in social settings is something I've struggled with my whole life, and what I've learned since high school is that the best way forward is to be cool with being a bit different. It's much less awkward that way.

According to Robert Greene's applied psychology in his book "The Art Of Seduction," I start off as the sincere and honest archetype, and as I get more comfortable I become the charismatic archetype and people go from being tolerant of my differences to being impressed by them.
 

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If it makes you feel any better, I did take your advice seriously and added that to my repertoire of what is going on in that environment. Understanding what's going on in social settings is something I've struggled with my whole life, and what I've learned since high school is that the best way forward is to be cool with being a bit different. It's much less awkward that way.

According to Robert Greene's applied psychology in his book "The Art Of Seduction," I start off as the sincere and honest archetype, and as I get more comfortable I become the charismatic archetype and people go from being tolerant of my differences to being impressed by them.
OP, I think you may be unintentionally trying to turn yourself into something you aren't and that makes you come off as weird and incongruent.

The goal isn't to become a new person and be someone you aren't, the goal is to maximize your strengths and present them in attractive ways while minimizing your weaknesses while incrementally working on strengthening those so they are less of a weakness and eventually may even become a strength.

If you are quiet and reserved, trying to become the life of the party isn't going to work. You lean into that side of you and just work on presenting it in a more attractive way to maximize your results. Trying to completely change your personality is not going to get you results, it will have people looking at you like you are a weirdo.
 

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OP, I think you may be unintentionally trying to turn yourself into something you aren't and that makes you come off as weird and incongruent.

The goal isn't to become a new person and be someone you aren't, the goal is to maximize your strengths and present them in attractive ways while minimizing your weaknesses while incrementally working on strengthening those so they are less of a weakness and eventually may even become a strength.

If you are quiet and reserved, trying to become the life of the party isn't going to work. You lean into that side of you and just work on presenting it in a more attractive way to maximize your results. Trying to completely change your personality is not going to get you results, it will have people looking at you like you are a weirdo.
I agree 100% with your perspective, but you obviously misunderstand who I am.
 
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