One dead giveaway of a city/place being awful for dating and meeting women.

[Jesse Pinkman]

A good portion of men that attend or have attended either University of Arizona or Arizona State University are attending or attended because of the hype surrounding the quality of vagina at those schools. Most men who attend those schools or have attended in the last 20-30 years are not getting laid any more than they would have at a smaller school that has less hype surrounding attractive women and parties.

Mostly everything from this thread posted by @Jesse Pinkman is applicable to Arizona/Arizona State alumni and current students.

Observations about college sex life from someone that went to a party school.

I thought I'd share this as someone who went to a party school and was in a fraternity there as well. Not wanting to give too much about myself but I went to UGA and graduated a few years ago. While Athens has its hot girls, I do feel like the quality got worse every year due to the admission...

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Those schools are attended by the same types of people.

1. Arizona locals
2. Californians
3. Midwesterners looking to escape harsh winters

There are some chill guys who attend or are alumni of those schools. A good portion of the men are try hard guys who are seeking to get laid with attractive women who are clout chasers. Some of these guys become big time weight lifters or buy sports cars to try to get vag. It's all about doing what it takes to bang physically attractive women with bad attitudes.

This helps to explain a lot about the culture around nightlife in Old Town Scottsdale, since a good portion of people there are Arizona and Arizona State alumni.

It is always sort of sad to see what happens afterwards when these guys graduate. They are always living vicariously through college basketball and telling you about how they were the man in college. Occasionally, these guys will climb a corporate ladder or two so you end up having to work alongside them or god forbid work for them. I find that most of them never outgrow their college days and they struggle with women massively afterwards.

I know we hate PUA a lot and rag on cold approachers but the one silver lining is that I have seen these PUA students often do better than the former frat guy who is just clinging to frat glory. The decline these dudes go through after graduation is truly unreal. If they do not get married with kids, they are often that loud annoying drunk at the bar.

TBH, I almost want one of these PUAs to run a bootcamp in a Tempe or Scottsdale. I bet right now that some of these PUA types could actually pull in those cities with the mindgames they play with women. Someone like Julien from RSD would probably clean up in Tempe.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

I dont know how they can sleep at night honestly, talk about lack of honor. When I say my girl I mean she was sitting in my lap lol

They live in cities where people openly act self-righteous and preach morals onto others while also treating everyone not like them like total crap. Same cities where people will lecture you on looking out for your fellow person yet side step a homeless guy dying on the side of the street. I doubt that these people have any sort of a moral compass. However, I also doubt that their plan works unless the girl is already in a bad place with the guy anyways.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Women in a society will always reflect the attitude men in that society. Ultimately if you complain about how women behave you have to look at the men. Women that are b1tchy and entitled got that way because men rewarded them for this.

Amber Heard.... after everything we learned about her in her trial... there will be a string of stupid fvcking dudes lined up to be taken advantage of... they will tell her she is awesome: Depp is a bast@rd.

Anyway, nothing you can do about this... understand when a chick drifts off away from you, she'll just strap on another fvcking dude. You confront a chick on her behavior, she'll walk away and will find another pvssy starved jack@ss that will put up with her BS... she will rinse and repeat this until she hits the wall... then she will be forced to settle for men that do not turn her on. Then she just goes completely nuts, blaming the world for her cr@p decisions early in life.

The only thing you can do as a man is focus on yourself, build the best life possible for YOU... and unless a woman is bending over backwards to keep you and make you happy, ignore her... just fvcking ignore her, don't give them ANY of your attention. You are NOT doing this in an effort change society... society is already fvcked... you are doing this because you are selfishly looking out for your best interests.

The minute you surrender your happiness and desires in the hope of getting some fvcking crazy @ss chick, you are done... period... dig a hole... get inside and let her bury you.

In all fairness, Amber Heard is really really hot even though she is as crazy as it gets. That being said, you are spot on with everything else. At this point, I think we are at the point of largely giving up on trying to save society. The red pill will hate me for saying this but I think the only solution is if the male population got reduced by half and then the supply and demand will work itself out. It is hard to keep women in line when men outnumber them and as a result, have to pander to them.

The issue is that the male population got way too big and there were not enough women to go around, they control the market. One other alternative is that we get like Japan and a whole bunch of men become herbivores taking themselves out of the market.

Oh and I wouldn't be so big on a woman hitting the wall. With the amount of Cougar porn nonsense, a 50 year old chick who looks good for her age can easily find a horny 20 year old guy to sleep with her.

Your advice is sound though, focus on self. Your fellow man is not your friend.

 

[SW15]

TBH, I almost want one of these PUAs to run a bootcamp in a Tempe or Scottsdale. I bet right now that some of these PUA types could actually pull in those cities with the mindgames they play with women. Someone like Julien from RSD would probably clean up in Tempe.

It probably has already happened. When Mystery was hosting the "The Pickup Artist" on VH1, Season 2 was in the Phoenix area and I'm sure some of the gaming was done in Tempe/Scottsdale. That was 14-15 years ago.

It is always sort of sad to see what happens afterwards when these guys graduate. They are always living vicariously through college basketball and telling you about how they were the man in college. Occasionally, these guys will climb a corporate ladder or two so you end up having to work alongside them or god forbid work for them. I find that most of them never outgrow their college days and they struggle with women massively afterwards.

I know we hate PUA a lot and rag on cold approachers but the one silver lining is that I have seen these PUA students often do better than the former frat guy who is just clinging to frat glory. The decline these dudes go through after graduation is truly unreal. If they do not get married with kids, they are often that loud annoying drunk at the bar.

What about the guys who can't even hang their hats on frat glory from their college days?

It's not just living vicarious through college basketball. It's college football too. Depends on if the school is better in football or basketball.

In a lot of cases, PUA guys are trying to make up for disappointing high school and college relational and sexual experiences.

I wouldn't be so big on a woman hitting the wall. With the amount of Cougar porn nonsense, a 50 year old chick who looks good for her age can easily find a horny 20 year old guy to sleep with her.

The Wall Is Softer Than We Think – Roosh Valizadeh

One popular maxim of the manosphere is the wall. It goes something like this: Once a girl is done riding the **** carousel, she will find herself at an age and lower attractiveness where she can no longer get the alpha male she wants. She will then have no choice but to load up on cats or find a lo

www.rooshv.com

I don't believe too much in The Wall. Male thirst is too high now and has been like that for a while. Plenty of 40-50 year women are having sex with 18-26 year old men.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

@SW15

I can actually respect the PUA guy who is trying to make up for lost time. Assuming he is true to the craft and not worshiping his younger years and the Chad nonsense, leaning borderline incel himself, I respect the guy who takes action. IMO, life after college has a far higher ceiling than life in college.

 

[DeCarlo]

Living in Miami has drilled your post into my head. It is international as heck but believe me when I say that the nicest women here are usually American women and that is saying something. The Latinas are borderline unapproachable and European white women? B1tchshields up 10x unless she is British. We unfortunately have too many Frenchies here and oh boy do they live up to their reputation of rudeness. I find that American women naturally have that cool personality that can easily go viral on social media.

Foreign women, once they settle into the US, easily take in the entire American personality and times it by 10. Eastern European women are the prime examples of this. At the same time, these women lack that natural charisma that American women have for social media popularity so they just try to chase the clout. I have lost count at how many Euro women try to barge into working at the most popular nightclubs in town and are often the most rude hostesses.

If there is one thing I have learned living in Miami, it's that American women are not bad at all.

I agree and disagree.

I agree because for the most part American women aren't much different than any Western woman. And since America is ground zero for modern femism they would naturally find a "antidote" first.

I disagree because as an American now in Europe it's completely different. Yes the mentality is very similar but the looks, vibes, mental health, quality of life and everything is different. Which makes the men and women behave different. Poland feels like what America might've been in 2009ish or something.(I was too young to game at the time so idk, basing off stories).

Norway feels like America in 2012. Some dyed hair, some chubsters, but no where near as bad as it is in the states. Also the women here or Poland don't look at me like they wanna punch me in the face sometimes like American women do. And Ive been to Denver, Seattle ,Charlotte, Atlanta, Ohio, California and Oregon. You don't feel a dark gloomy cloud over womens heads here like you do in America.

But when it's all said and done yes they operate like American women. Getting them on dates, closing, retaining interest and dealing with flakes all the same B.S. just much easier to deal with. And at least for me its more girls here who will actually meet when they say they wanna meet.

It's the same, but different.

P.S. European tourists in America looking to get fvked up and get attention from thirsty American sex-starved simps and local women in their countries are very different breeds I imagine. I even notice a big difference between party girls here and the ones that dont. Let alone ones with enough funds for Transatlantic trips that do it regularly, looking for that dopamine high of attention from thirsty men.

We might be the very last generation of men to experience women that are somewhat normal for a loooong time. Western women especially have gone down the ****ter because of these simps.

 

[DeCarlo]

The only thing you can do as a man is focus on yourself, build the best life possible for YOU... and unless a woman is bending over backwards to keep you and make you happy, ignore her... just fvcking ignore her, don't give them ANY of your attention. You are NOT doing this in an effort change society... society is already fvcked... you are doing this because you are selfishly looking out for your best interests.

The minute you surrender your happiness and desires in the hope of getting some fvcking crazy @ss chick, you are done... period... dig a hole... get inside and let her bury you.

This sounds good but it reminds me of the stuff middle aged women say. It's exactly the same.

Guuuurl if he aint willing to climb mountains just to be in your presence he dont deserve you. You're a queen!

Don’t Settle For Just Any Man: Settle For The Man Who Won’t Stop Pursuing You (thepowerofsilence.co)

That mentality is fine and all... if you deserve it.
Just like the women; if you don't have the value that warrants or attracts that level of attraction you can't do that.
An average guy, with a average salary, with average hobbies in a average city can't just go "Well if a woman doesnt bend over back..." because in todays market he is not of value. So very few women will do that for him. And if they do they are very low tier.

Just as a BBW post-wall wont have high value men approaching her.

In short: Yeah if you have some type of high social status, a super fire instagram(and the body to go with it), or do something really cool like snowboard and travel for a living--good luck waiting for women to bend over backwards for you.

Odds are you are like 80% of us, you gotta take action, bro.

 

[Solomon]

You're joking. Think about the nightlife scene during the 2000s-2010s in Old Town Scottsdale. Old Town Scottsdale was primarily 21-34 year olds trying to fucck. You had plastic, pretentious female strutting their stuff and guys trying to act like the biggest jerks possible in order to mate with these pretentious AF females. The guys who didn't get laid (most of them) often got in fights with each other outside the bars. Below is a video example of that at 2:32 in the video.

Old Town Scottsdale at night was one of the toughest mating environments in Metro Phoenix.

Observations on Phoenix's Scene

Phoenix, Arizona has become one of the biggest metropolitan areas in the United States. It has grown a lot in recent decades. The 2020 Census estimated that Maricopa County (covering most of Metro Phoenix) has a 4.4 million population. In 1990, Maricopa County only had 2.1 million people. Almost...

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From that post....

Good Looking Women, Bad Attitudes

The title above is the best way to describe the White women in Phoenix, particularly the White women one will most commonly encounter in nightlife venues in Scottsdale and Tempe.

The heat of the area is a motivator for women to look good because not a lot of clothes are worn. This makes appearance all the more important. It’s fair to say that Metro Phoenix is an environment characterized by superficiality and pretentiousness.

In conjunction with the heat, Phoenix is very transplant heavy. Few Phoenix area residents have long time roots in the area. You don’t see a lot of strong social circles of natives who grew up in the area. While there are some and having a circle would help, it’s just not common. This is also a contributing factor to the superficiality and pretentiousness in the area. When there are no social circle consequences for behavior, overall behavior tends to be worse.

You’re less likely to encounter these bad attitudes with Hispanic women in the area than White women.

If you want to limit the effects of these attitudes, meeting women through non-bar approaching or social circle will help as compared to the bar scene or the use of swipe apps.

Because superficiality matters a lot in Phoenix, having the right image helps a lot. Guys go to great lengths in the area to get material possessions to impress women. A fair number of women also get breast implants to compete with other women for the top guys in the area.

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As a result, Phoenix men are often a bunch of try hards trying to get laid and are often frustrated when striking with plastic, pretentious women. Phoenix could be compared to Long Island based upon @Jesse Pinkman's description of Long Island.

The problem is you're dealing with women in the nightlife take away phoenix and you can virtually say the same for

New York
LA
Chiciago
Austin
Dallas

Etc

Whats my point? meeting women in the nightlife scene has always been the worse you have women who are drunk some who are high on god knows what pill or drug. It's better to meet women doing your hobbies or social circle. But most guys don't do that because they think the club is the easiest way. Heck you can even meet hot women at fashion events or art festivals I have done it. Nightclubs are the worse and this is coming from a guy who use to write tons of FR's on this site

Switch your hunting grounds you might be shocked at the results you get

 

[Solomon]

Women in a society will always reflect the attitude men in that society. Ultimately if you complain about how women behave you have to look at the men. Women that are b1tchy and entitled got that way because men rewarded them for this.

Amber Heard.... after everything we learned about her in her trial... there will be a string of stupid fvcking dudes lined up to be taken advantage of... they will tell her she is awesome: Depp is a bast@rd.

Anyway, nothing you can do about this... understand when a chick drifts off away from you, she'll just strap on another fvcking dude. You confront a chick on her behavior, she'll walk away and will find another pvssy starved jack@ss that will put up with her BS... she will rinse and repeat this until she hits the wall... then she will be forced to settle for men that do not turn her on. Then she just goes completely nuts, blaming the world for her cr@p decisions early in life.

The only thing you can do as a man is focus on yourself, build the best life possible for YOU... and unless a woman is bending over backwards to keep you and make you happy, ignore her... just fvcking ignore her, don't give them ANY of your attention. You are NOT doing this in an effort change society... society is already fvcked... you are doing this because you are selfishly looking out for your best interests.

The minute you surrender your happiness and desires in the hope of getting some fvcking crazy @ss chick, you are done... period... dig a hole... get inside and let her bury you.

^^^This once I let go of the "rage" I was able to make peace with a lot of situations in the past still working on it but it does get easier

The truth is I'm in my late 30s and the more I realize what do I want for my life? what do I want my legacy to be? the older I get the less I think with the small head and more with the bigger head. If you read my post from when I first started on this site I was obsessed with women now I come on here just to comment once in blue women now truly are an option when in my 20's they were a priority blame it on low T or whatever but it's liberating

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

The problem is you're dealing with women in the nightlife take away phoenix and you can virtually say the same for

New York
LA
Chiciago
Austin
Dallas

Etc

Whats my point? meeting women in the nightlife scene has always been the worse you have women who are drunk some who are high on god knows what pill or drug. It's better to meet women doing your hobbies or social circle. But most guys don't do that because they think the club is the easiest way. Heck you can even meet hot women at fashion events or art festivals I have done it. Nightclubs are the worse and this is coming from a guy who use to write tons of FR's on this site

Switch your hunting grounds you might be shocked at the results you get

Yes and no. You are right in the sense that nightlife is awful for meeting women and women are often heavily guarded. On the other hand, I still think it can vary immensely based on the city itself and the vibe of the city matters a lot. NYC had a thriving nightlife but the women were so gameable and easy to take home. You could hit the bars and take home an above average looking cool girl if you were decent looking and cool yourself. Women were there to have FUN, not to chase clout as much.

When you switch to a city like Tempe or Scotsdale, you get a nightlife that is far more clout driven and ran by awful social dynamics that it takes a very risk driven person with a tolerance for BS and some decent fighting skills to be able to pull it off. In other words, I am saying that nightlife is generally not that easy to meet women in BUT whatever traits of women in a given city are, nightlife further intensifies it.

If a city is fun driven and cool, women are likely to be very fun and cool at the clubs. If a city is plastic and clout driven, women are likely to be that way at the clubs to a great degree.

 

[Solomon]

Yes and no. You are right in the sense that nightlife is awful for meeting women and women are often heavily guarded. On the other hand, I still think it can vary immensely based on the city itself and the vibe of the city matters a lot. NYC had a thriving nightlife but the women were so gameable and easy to take home. You could hit the bars and take home an above average looking cool girl if you were decent looking and cool yourself. Women were there to have FUN, not to chase clout as much.

When you switch to a city like Tempe or Scotsdale, you get a nightlife that is far more clout driven and ran by awful social dynamics that it takes a very risk driven person with a tolerance for BS and some decent fighting skills to be able to pull it off. In other words, I am saying that nightlife is generally not that easy to meet women in BUT whatever traits of women in a given city are, nightlife further intensifies it.

If a city is fun driven and cool, women are likely to be very fun and cool at the clubs. If a city is plastic and clout driven, women are likely to be that way at the clubs to a great degree.

I don't disagree the nightlife for example in pre-covid in Denver was like shooting fish in a barrell

However I'm getting older and I just don't care for that scene to superficial, to many fake people. Users, guys who will hate on you if you doing better than them etc

I found fashion events are great places to meet women, hot models and the ratio is like 5 women to 1 man. Not just the women that go there but the models as well. Also art/food festivals/comicons and boat parties if you into those things. However for me I just don't have the energy to go to a bar/club at my age it's a waste of time plus the type of interest I have the women tend to not go there. i like women who like anime they tend to not go to clubs

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

I don't disagree the nightlife for example in pre-covid in Denver was like shooting fish in a barrell

However I'm getting older and I just don't care for that scene to superficial, to many fake people. Users, guys who will hate on you if you doing better than them etc

I found fashion events are great places to meet women, hot models and the ratio is like 5 women to 1 man. Not just the women that go there but the models as well. Also art/food festivals/comicons and boat parties if you into those things. However for me I just don't have the energy to go to a bar/club at my age it's a waste of time plus the type of interest I have the women tend to not go there. i like women who like anime they tend to not go to clubs

I agree with you there and as I have gotten older, I have to force myself to go out. My biggest beef is with the loud music meant to kill your hearing. Nightclubs are so undoable for me unless I am drunk or something. Then add to it that most are sausagefests and women are largely clout chasers, it is more of a one-time thing if anything.

 

[SW15]

Whats my point? meeting women in the nightlife scene has always been the worse you have women who are drunk some who are high on god knows what pill or drug. It's better to meet women doing your hobbies or social circle. But most guys don't do that because they think the club is the easiest way. Heck you can even meet hot women at fashion events or art festivals I have done it. Nightclubs are the worse and this is coming from a guy who use to write tons of FR's on this site

Switch your hunting grounds you might be shocked at the results you get

When you switch to a city like Tempe or Scotsdale, you get a nightlife that is far more clout driven and ran by awful social dynamics that it takes a very risk driven person with a tolerance for BS and some decent fighting skills to be able to pull it off. In other words, I am saying that nightlife is generally not that easy to meet women in BUT whatever traits of women in a given city are, nightlife further intensifies it.

If a city is fun driven and cool, women are likely to be very fun and cool at the clubs. If a city is plastic and clout driven, women are likely to be that way at the clubs to a great degree.

Metro Phoenix is plastic and clout driven. The absolute most competitive environment in Metro Phoenix is the Old Town Scottsdale neighborhood. More specifically, this applies to Old Town Scottsdale nightlife venues. Tempe is a little bit better than Old Town Scottsdale (which is mainly under 35s). North Scottsdale is for the 35-50 year olds.

If you're looking for healthy mating environments in Metro Phoenix, you'd be better off doing some sort of non-bar cold approaching and social circles/hobbies. Many Phoenix bars will be better than Scottsdale or Tempe, though all of Phoenix has the plasticity/clout element.

 

[Solomon]

Metro Phoenix is plastic and clout driven. The absolute most competitive environment in Metro Phoenix is the Old Town Scottsdale neighborhood. More specifically, this applies to Old Town Scottsdale nightlife venues. Tempe is a little bit better than Old Town Scottsdale (which is mainly under 35s). North Scottsdale is for the 35-50 year olds.

If you're looking for healthy mating environments in Metro Phoenix, you'd be better off doing some sort of non-bar cold approaching and social circles/hobbies. Many Phoenix bars will be better than Scottsdale or Tempe, though all of Phoenix has the plasticity/clout element.

Been to Phoenix enjoyed the EDM scene in 2014 had decent success on Tinder and bumble a couple of years ago outside of hiking I found AZ very boring, I don't think I could live there and as I mentioned I don't care for the nightlife last time I went was in 2020 during covid and it was still popping at the bars/clubs

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Metro Phoenix is plastic and clout driven. The absolute most competitive environment in Metro Phoenix is the Old Town Scottsdale neighborhood. More specifically, this applies to Old Town Scottsdale nightlife venues. Tempe is a little bit better than Old Town Scottsdale (which is mainly under 35s). North Scottsdale is for the 35-50 year olds.

If you're looking for healthy mating environments in Metro Phoenix, you'd be better off doing some sort of non-bar cold approaching and social circles/hobbies. Many Phoenix bars will be better than Scottsdale or Tempe, though all of Phoenix has the plasticity/clout element.

TBH, I will never get the hype around Arizona. People talk about how the girls there are supposedly "hot" but I have found far more quality in Utah, Florida, Texas, and other states. I honestly feel like Arizona girls and Arizona women are like the overcompensating yet inferior version of California women. Like I genuinely do not get the hype about Arizona as a state, what exactly is there that people are so crazy about?

 

[SW15]

I will never get the hype around Arizona. People talk about how the girls there are supposedly "hot" but I have found far more quality in Utah, Florida, Texas, and other states. I honestly feel like Arizona girls and Arizona women are like the overcompensating yet inferior version of California women. Like I genuinely do not get the hype about Arizona as a state, what exactly is there that people are so crazy about?

Your assessment of Arizona is accurate. Arizona does have a bit of a chip on its shoulder due to some inferiority elements, some of which I covered in the thread below.

Observations on Phoenix's Scene

Phoenix, Arizona has become one of the biggest metropolitan areas in the United States. It has grown a lot in recent decades. The 2020 Census estimated that Maricopa County (covering most of Metro Phoenix) has a 4.4 million population. In 1990, Maricopa County only had 2.1 million people. Almost...

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One of the biggest problems in Phoenix contributing to the inferiority complex is that there isn't a good base of corporate employment there outside of the medical industry that caters to the retirees. Tucson has that same element on a smaller scale. A lot of the wealthiest people in Metro Phoenix made their money elsewhere and relocated to Phoenix as retirees/semi-retirees. There are clout chasers of working age there trying to mimic the people who made their money elsewhere.

The problem is you're dealing with women in the nightlife take away phoenix and you can virtually say the same for

New York
LA
Chiciago
Austin
Dallas

Etc

Phoenix and Dallas have some differences and some similarities. Both cities are known for clout chasing/pretentiousness. One of the biggest differences is that Dallas has a better base of corporate employment. That does affect the quality of people and the attitudes.

The worst experiences someone will have mating in Dallas will occur if you're dependent upon swipe apps and night venues.

 

[Solomon]

The worst experiences someone will have mating in Dallas will occur if you're dependent upon swipe apps and night venues.

Which proves the point I've been making all along Swipe apps are toxic everywhere sure you may have better result in one city compared to another but most of those women on swipe apps are low quality

 

[Solomon]

TBH, I will never get the hype around Arizona. People talk about how the girls there are supposedly "hot" but I have found far more quality in Utah, Florida, Texas, and other states. I honestly feel like Arizona girls and Arizona women are like the overcompensating yet inferior version of California women. Like I genuinely do not get the hype about Arizona as a state, what exactly is there that people are so crazy about?

Which part of Texas?

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Your assessment of Arizona is accurate. Arizona does have a bit of a chip on its shoulder due to some inferiority elements, some of which I covered in the thread below.

Observations on Phoenix's Scene

Phoenix, Arizona has become one of the biggest metropolitan areas in the United States. It has grown a lot in recent decades. The 2020 Census estimated that Maricopa County (covering most of Metro Phoenix) has a 4.4 million population. In 1990, Maricopa County only had 2.1 million people. Almost...

www.sosuave.net

One of the biggest problems in Phoenix contributing to the inferiority complex is that there isn't a good base of corporate employment there outside of the medical industry that caters to the retirees. Tucson has that same element on a smaller scale. A lot of the wealthiest people in Metro Phoenix made their money elsewhere and relocated to Phoenix as retirees/semi-retirees. There are clout chasers of working age there trying to mimic the people who made their money elsewhere.

Phoenix and Dallas have some differences and some similarities. Both cities are known for clout chasing/pretentiousness. One of the biggest differences is that Dallas has a better base of corporate employment. That does affect the quality of people and the attitudes.

The worst experiences someone will have mating in Dallas will occur if you're dependent upon swipe apps and night venues.

You know, I have an idea. We should start a trend of threads where we break apart why some crappy game cities are truly crappy for game.

 

[SW15]

You know, I have an idea. We should start a trend of threads where we break apart why some crappy game cities are truly crappy for game.

I think that is a good idea and I'll add input where I can.