One dead giveaway of a city/place being awful for dating and meeting women.

[SW15]

Nobody seems to talk about how much gender ratios affect things. I believe a lot of the social problems (incel epidemic) stems from this.

Women simply have way too many options, this means the bar keeps getting higher and higher for the average man (Every guy in Australia is a gym junkie) and the bar keeps getting lower and lower for women (most Aussie girls are overweight).

Giving one gender so much power is extremely unhealthy for society.

I think what I have hated about the west coast in general is how fake the people from it are compared to people out east. Whites are arguably some of the worst from the west coast but I have seen the major difference in the black population. I grew up in Atlanta and down south, a lot of black folks are humble, cool, and pretty chill. Meanwhile, literally every black dude I've known from California was entitled, arrogant, and spoiled because of how the liberals treated them.

One weird thing I have noticed about the Arizonas, Colorados, and west coast states is that the mixture of clout chasing, liberal white guilt, and desperately trying to be cool culture works out well for black guys. I have known a handful of black dudes who did reasonably well in Arizona and Colorado but as soon as they came to the east coast, they were ironically incels because they didn't get the same pandering that they got from west coast women.

California, especially Southern California, has had a reputation for pretentiousness going back to at least the 1980s. California culture didn't start affecting the other, non-coastal Western states until the 2000s or so. Californians have ruined the culture in Nevada, Arizona, and Colorado to varying degrees.

As we've talked about before, there is a decent amount of clout chasing in Metro Phoenix. It's most evident if you're spending time around Scottsdale and Tempe. Scottsdale was a chill suburb with a old Western-ish vibe until 1990s, when it started to act more pretentious in an imitation Westside Los Angeles area like Beverly Hills or Malibu.

@SW15

I think the main difference between west coast women and east coast women, at least when we are talking white girls, is that I think west coast girls are far more image conscious, clout chasing, and popularity driven. Could have to do with the closeness to Hollywood but I do notice that whatever Hollywood portrays as cool, west coast women are crazy and they seem to be more in the know of recent media trends. Meanwhile, I notice how Southern women and East Coast women even, are far less caring of that and care more of a human to human level.

With west coast girls, it seems like the go to way to win is to play popularity games, DHV, and almost neg their status in a way. I see it with local dudes too where So Cal guys are constantly trying to be popular and turn everything into a high school popularity contest. Meanwhile, I notice how East Coast guys and even Southern guys (outside of Atlanta), are far more straightforward, blunt, and get right to it.

So I could see social circle game being the lay of the land if you are in a California or Arizona. Meanwhile, I could see actual game working on the east coast where people are more gritty and straightforward.

You've accurately depicted interactions with white women in Southern California and Arizona. A lot of people in Arizona (applicable to both Phoenix and Tucson) are also California transplants. In Southern California and Arizona, there's a culture of white guys being total try hards to impress image conscious, clout chasing white women.

Dallas has had some of that pretentiousness for a long time. Dallas has been a fashion hub for a while. Neiman Marcus was founded in Dallas. There's a reason Hollywood chose to feature the city of Dallas on the 1980s TV show "Dallas".

 

[Hamurabimbi]

To further elaborate on the thread, I will do a compare and contrast and I am hoping my fellow southerner @Bible_Belt can perhaps give his take.

I did say that Atlanta was awful for meeting women, especially if you wanted white girls. I noticed the same throughout Georgia for the most part where the guys were always a bit more confrontational, rude, and always instigating (Savannah being kind of the exception). Yet, I noticed that in a neighboring state like South Carolina, this was not the case at all. The guys were standup guys with class and good folks. Come to find, Charleston is loaded with classy southern belles and beautiful women.

Maybe @Hamurabimbi can check me on California but I noticed LA guys were way cooler and more chill than San Francisco guys. While LA is not an easy dating environment, man are the girls there hot.

Everyone is ‘more cool & chill’ than SF denizens.

 

[eli77]

You were quite the talker what do you feel about Miami again I think it all depends on your age factor and what are you looking for

 

[BadWatermelon]

You've accurately depicted interactions with white women in Southern California and Arizona. A lot of people in Arizona (applicable to both Phoenix and Tucson) are also California transplants. In Southern California and Arizona, there's a culture of white guys being total try hards to impress image conscious, clout chasing white women.

I always struggle with the local girls in SoCal. Pretty much every good experience I've had is with a woman that's from someplace else.

 

[SW15]

I always struggle with the local girls in SoCal. Pretty much every good experience I've had is with a woman that's from someplace else.

Have you ever thought about why that is? Could it be that the women who grew up in the region and still live there have a full penis pipeline from their social circles?

Some cities are less known for social circles than others. Dallas and Phoenix are examples of cities with weak social circles. I wrote about that in Dallas in this thread....

Observations on Dallas' Scene

Based on @Jesse Pinkman's write ups of New York City, Miami, and large state universities, I thought it would be worthwhile to write up Dallas, the city I call home. The Dallas-Fort Worth metropolitan area (DFW) is the 4th most populated metropolitan area in the United States. Dallas and Fort...

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From that...

Because social circles tend to be weaker, people aren't closed off. Stranger approaches are usually at least cordial and there isn't any hostility to outsiders, unlike some other areas of the USA.

The weak social circles do contribute to Dallas' pretentious reputation. Because a lot of people are meeting strangers, there are no consequences for bad behavior. When there's no attachment, women can be as superficial as they please.

Getting into one of the social circles with Dallas natives with strong roots isn't that easy to do. Most transplanted adults to Dallas won't get into those or they will be on the fringes of them.

Much of what I wrote about Dallas would be applicable to Phoenix. If you're socializing with people in their 20s/30s in Metro Phoenix, it's not likely these are people who grew up in Metro Phoenix. Metro Phoenix has more than doubled in population since the 1990 Census.

When social circles are weaker, men tend to engage more in "try-hard" behavior. Here's something I wrote about Phoenix earlier in a Phoenix-specific thread. It is classic try hard behavior.

Observations on Phoenix's Scene

Phoenix, Arizona has become one of the biggest metropolitan areas in the United States. It has grown a lot in recent decades. The 2020 Census estimated that Maricopa County (covering most of Metro Phoenix) has a 4.4 million population. In 1990, Maricopa County only had 2.1 million people. Almost...

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Getting a BMW, Porsche, or Mercedes-Benz is a big thing in Phoenix. Because the corporate employment in the area isn't that good, the incomes are not that good. A lot of people with those cars in Phoenix are posers heavily in debt doing it to get some vagina or keep their existing woman around.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

I never met many macho looking or acting guys in SF, but I did see a lot of desperation and thirst to the point where guys will distract you so their friend can chat up your girl (seriously).

I have seen Toronto guys pull the same exact stuff, the same exact stuff. Except Toronto dudes are much more annoying with it due to the game community being so massive there.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

California, especially Southern California, has had a reputation for pretentiousness going back to at least the 1980s. California culture didn't start affecting the other, non-coastal Western states until the 2000s or so. Californians have ruined the culture in Nevada, Arizona, and Colorado to varying degrees.

As we've talked about before, there is a decent amount of clout chasing in Metro Phoenix. It's most evident if you're spending time around Scottsdale and Tempe. Scottsdale was a chill suburb with a old Western-ish vibe until 1990s, when it started to act more pretentious in an imitation Westside Los Angeles area like Beverly Hills or Malibu.

You've accurately depicted interactions with white women in Southern California and Arizona. A lot of people in Arizona (applicable to both Phoenix and Tucson) are also California transplants. In Southern California and Arizona, there's a culture of white guys being total try hards to impress image conscious, clout chasing white women.

Dallas has had some of that pretentiousness for a long time. Dallas has been a fashion hub for a while. Neiman Marcus was founded in Dallas. There's a reason Hollywood chose to feature the city of Dallas on the 1980s TV show "Dallas".

Go figure and now its happening to the rest of the country in general, they are certainly spreading eastward. When I was visiting Nashville, and I am sure @Jake_Gyllenhaal69 can attest to this, I spoke with long-time locals that often told me about how Nashville has become so clout-heavy and image driven. Come to find that NBC had a show called Nashville. These same locals told me how chill Nashville used to be but then so many yuppies from California moved in and that changed the whole vibe.

I always knew something was off about the other west coast states though. It is not even for having lived there but just knowing so many people from there. Literally every dude I knew that went to AU or the Sun Devils was going out his way to hype up his college days.

As much as I hate Californians in general, I have to give props to So Cal residents for at least owning up to their snobbery. Nor Cal residents put on the self-righteous act of being caring and virtue signaling but then act cold towards anyone not like them. At least in So Cal, they own up to it.

The biggest beneficiaries of California culture spreading are by and large black guys. Californians worship blacks and this is especially true of the women. When I was growing up down south, women were not that fond of black dudes and someone who was a Latino, Asian, or any of the exotic ethnics could absolutely clean up. Come to find, Atlanta gets flooded with liberal California transplants and now the whites have gone from being proud southerners to major cucks for black culture.

Californians spreading to other states typically means this on a game level/social level:

1. Conservative whites will be prosecuted and hated.
2. Blacks will be worshiped more than ever before.
3. All other ethnic minorities will be seen as roaches and low class scum.

What has gotten me about west coast whites, Californians in particular, is how racist they tend to be towards non-black minorities. Like it is general disdain. Meanwhile, after talking about how awful Mexicans are, they will talk about how great BLM is and get mad at you for not worshiping black culture like they do. They truly trip me out as a people and it sucks that they do not stay in their dumpy failing state.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

You were quite the talker what do you feel about Miami again I think it all depends on your age factor and what are you looking for

I might actually make another thread on this now that you remind me, I'd love to talk about it in-depth. So far though, here are a few things.

1. Locals are relatively nice, especially the Latinos.
2. Women are indeed smug and stuck up but thankfully, lots of foreign women here.
3. Game here sucks for the most part since nightlife is pay to play.
4. Daygame is also rough and takes a lot of tenacity here because outside of Brickell and South Beach, you are kind of SOL.
5. Rents keep getting higher and higher and they aren't stopping anytime soon.
6. Weather sucks, learning now about how bad hurricane season is with all people were saying about the tropical storm over the weekend (which ended up being a whole lot of hype since it was just heavy drizzle).
7. PUAs have infested the city and often run a ton of bootcamps here, tons.
8. The average guy here approaches, massively, more than any other city I have been in.

 

[DeCarlo]

Yes, was in Poland and the men are very insecure around foreign guys which makes their women go "Hmm I wonder why" thus we get more play.

In Norway the men are way more chill which makes approaching easier because I think their women are also more confident in their men than Polish women are to theirs.

Bitter women breeds bitter men, that simple.

Yes, Scandinavian men seem more confident than Slavic men in 2022.

 

[Bingo-Player]

Really don't think it matters what country you are in anymore

All women are viewing globally interconnected media content via channels like TIKTOK and Instagram

It's these platforms that breed some of the worst behaviours and attitudes in women , not the location

Men also adopt bad habits from this kind of mass media content but not to the degree women do

I would bet my life savings you could select 20 different women from 20 different countries in roughly the same age group and every single one of their instagram pages would look nigh on identical

Even down to the captions they are using ( albeit probably in their own languages )

Interestingly the women now approaching 30 are the first generation to start becoming "washed up" on social media

I am noticing it in my own area where girls who have spent the last 10 years battering selfies and thirst traps on instagram are starting to become extremely mentally damaged

 

[Murk]

Been to Riga in Latvia, don't go if you're not white, the men are very protective it was difficult to get anything.

Krakow in Poland was great, more relaxed and open to having other people try to take their women.

EE women are very traditional and high quality like how I find many Latina's - raised to be wifes and mothers, not as feminist. Good and bad in any city/country and people are too individual to typecast based on location.

London is great, it's a microcosm, too broad to paint in any one direction, the high-quality girls all want money though because everything is expensive especially if you want a good life.

 

[SW15]

Literally every dude I knew that went to AU or the Sun Devils was going out his way to hype up his college days.

A good portion of men that attend or have attended either University of Arizona or Arizona State University are attending or attended because of the hype surrounding the quality of vagina at those schools. Most men who attend those schools or have attended in the last 20-30 years are not getting laid any more than they would have at a smaller school that has less hype surrounding attractive women and parties.

Mostly everything from this thread posted by @Jesse Pinkman is applicable to Arizona/Arizona State alumni and current students.

Observations about college sex life from someone that went to a party school.

I thought I'd share this as someone who went to a party school and was in a fraternity there as well. Not wanting to give too much about myself but I went to UGA and graduated a few years ago. While Athens has its hot girls, I do feel like the quality got worse every year due to the admission...

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Those schools are attended by the same types of people.

1. Arizona locals
2. Californians
3. Midwesterners looking to escape harsh winters

There are some chill guys who attend or are alumni of those schools. A good portion of the men are try hard guys who are seeking to get laid with attractive women who are clout chasers. Some of these guys become big time weight lifters or buy sports cars to try to get vag. It's all about doing what it takes to bang physically attractive women with bad attitudes.

This helps to explain a lot about the culture around nightlife in Old Town Scottsdale, since a good portion of people there are Arizona and Arizona State alumni.

 

[RangerMIke]

Women in a society will always reflect the attitude men in that society. Ultimately if you complain about how women behave you have to look at the men. Women that are b1tchy and entitled got that way because men rewarded them for this.

Amber Heard.... after everything we learned about her in her trial... there will be a string of stupid fvcking dudes lined up to be taken advantage of... they will tell her she is awesome: Depp is a bast@rd.

Anyway, nothing you can do about this... understand when a chick drifts off away from you, she'll just strap on another fvcking dude. You confront a chick on her behavior, she'll walk away and will find another pvssy starved jack@ss that will put up with her BS... she will rinse and repeat this until she hits the wall... then she will be forced to settle for men that do not turn her on. Then she just goes completely nuts, blaming the world for her cr@p decisions early in life.

The only thing you can do as a man is focus on yourself, build the best life possible for YOU... and unless a woman is bending over backwards to keep you and make you happy, ignore her... just fvcking ignore her, don't give them ANY of your attention. You are NOT doing this in an effort change society... society is already fvcked... you are doing this because you are selfishly looking out for your best interests.

The minute you surrender your happiness and desires in the hope of getting some fvcking crazy @ss chick, you are done... period... dig a hole... get inside and let her bury you.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Yes, was in Poland and the men are very insecure around foreign guys which makes their women go "Hmm I wonder why" thus we get more play.

In Norway the men are way more chill which makes approaching easier because I think their women are also more confident in their men than Polish women are to theirs.

Bitter women breeds bitter men, that simple.

Yes, Scandinavian men seem more confident than Slavic men in 2022.

I have noticed this as well although the most bitter guys from my experience are Mediterranean men and Balkan men. Talk to a girl from Serbia, Romania, or any of the Balkan countries and the men nearby will immediately start fighting you. Mediterranean men mate guarding makes me crack up since they are easily the thirstiest dudes on the planet and find it okay to spam approach, even borderline harass women of other backgrounds, but then get defensive and protective of their women. Runner ups here are the French, especially the Southern French but that is probably due to the Mediterranean influence.

The sad thing for all of these dudes is that once their women go on vacation, they get passed around like crazy for some casual sex.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Really don't think it matters what country you are in anymore

All women are viewing globally interconnected media content via channels like TIKTOK and Instagram

It's these platforms that breed some of the worst behaviours and attitudes in women , not the location

Men also adopt bad habits from this kind of mass media content but not to the degree women do

I would bet my life savings you could select 20 different women from 20 different countries in roughly the same age group and every single one of their instagram pages would look nigh on identical

Even down to the captions they are using ( albeit probably in their own languages )

Interestingly the women now approaching 30 are the first generation to start becoming "washed up" on social media

I am noticing it in my own area where girls who have spent the last 10 years battering selfies and thirst traps on instagram are starting to become extremely mentally damaged

Living in Miami has drilled your post into my head. It is international as heck but believe me when I say that the nicest women here are usually American women and that is saying something. The Latinas are borderline unapproachable and European white women? B1tchshields up 10x unless she is British. We unfortunately have too many Frenchies here and oh boy do they live up to their reputation of rudeness. I find that American women naturally have that cool personality that can easily go viral on social media.

Foreign women, once they settle into the US, easily take in the entire American personality and times it by 10. Eastern European women are the prime examples of this. At the same time, these women lack that natural charisma that American women have for social media popularity so they just try to chase the clout. I have lost count at how many Euro women try to barge into working at the most popular nightclubs in town and are often the most rude hostesses.

If there is one thing I have learned living in Miami, it's that American women are not bad at all.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

A good portion of men that attend or have attended either University of Arizona or Arizona State University are attending or attended because of the hype surrounding the quality of vagina at those schools. Most men who attend those schools or have attended in the last 20-30 years are not getting laid any more than they would have at a smaller school that has less hype surrounding attractive women and parties.

Mostly everything from this thread posted by @Jesse Pinkman is applicable to Arizona/Arizona State alumni and current students.

Observations about college sex life from someone that went to a party school.

I thought I'd share this as someone who went to a party school and was in a fraternity there as well. Not wanting to give too much about myself but I went to UGA and graduated a few years ago. While Athens has its hot girls, I do feel like the quality got worse every year due to the admission...

www.sosuave.net

Those schools are attended by the same types of people.

1. Arizona locals
2. Californians
3. Midwesterners looking to escape harsh winters

There are some chill guys who attend or are alumni of those schools. A good portion of the men are try hard guys who are seeking to get laid with attractive women who are clout chasers. Some of these guys become big time weight lifters or buy sports cars to try to get vag. It's all about doing what it takes to bang physically attractive women with bad attitudes.

This helps to explain a lot about the culture around nightlife in Old Town Scottsdale, since a good portion of people there are Arizona and Arizona State alumni.

It is always sort of sad to see what happens afterwards when these guys graduate. They are always living vicariously through college basketball and telling you about how they were the man in college. Occasionally, these guys will climb a corporate ladder or two so you end up having to work alongside them or god forbid work for them. I find that most of them never outgrow their college days and they struggle with women massively afterwards.

I know we hate PUA a lot and rag on cold approachers but the one silver lining is that I have seen these PUA students often do better than the former frat guy who is just clinging to frat glory. The decline these dudes go through after graduation is truly unreal. If they do not get married with kids, they are often that loud annoying drunk at the bar.

TBH, I almost want one of these PUAs to run a bootcamp in a Tempe or Scottsdale. I bet right now that some of these PUA types could actually pull in those cities with the mindgames they play with women. Someone like Julien from RSD would probably clean up in Tempe.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

I dont know how they can sleep at night honestly, talk about lack of honor. When I say my girl I mean she was sitting in my lap lol

They live in cities where people openly act self-righteous and preach morals onto others while also treating everyone not like them like total crap. Same cities where people will lecture you on looking out for your fellow person yet side step a homeless guy dying on the side of the street. I doubt that these people have any sort of a moral compass. However, I also doubt that their plan works unless the girl is already in a bad place with the guy anyways.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Women in a society will always reflect the attitude men in that society. Ultimately if you complain about how women behave you have to look at the men. Women that are b1tchy and entitled got that way because men rewarded them for this.

Amber Heard.... after everything we learned about her in her trial... there will be a string of stupid fvcking dudes lined up to be taken advantage of... they will tell her she is awesome: Depp is a bast@rd.

Anyway, nothing you can do about this... understand when a chick drifts off away from you, she'll just strap on another fvcking dude. You confront a chick on her behavior, she'll walk away and will find another pvssy starved jack@ss that will put up with her BS... she will rinse and repeat this until she hits the wall... then she will be forced to settle for men that do not turn her on. Then she just goes completely nuts, blaming the world for her cr@p decisions early in life.

The only thing you can do as a man is focus on yourself, build the best life possible for YOU... and unless a woman is bending over backwards to keep you and make you happy, ignore her... just fvcking ignore her, don't give them ANY of your attention. You are NOT doing this in an effort change society... society is already fvcked... you are doing this because you are selfishly looking out for your best interests.

The minute you surrender your happiness and desires in the hope of getting some fvcking crazy @ss chick, you are done... period... dig a hole... get inside and let her bury you.

In all fairness, Amber Heard is really really hot even though she is as crazy as it gets. That being said, you are spot on with everything else. At this point, I think we are at the point of largely giving up on trying to save society. The red pill will hate me for saying this but I think the only solution is if the male population got reduced by half and then the supply and demand will work itself out. It is hard to keep women in line when men outnumber them and as a result, have to pander to them.

The issue is that the male population got way too big and there were not enough women to go around, they control the market. One other alternative is that we get like Japan and a whole bunch of men become herbivores taking themselves out of the market.

Oh and I wouldn't be so big on a woman hitting the wall. With the amount of Cougar porn nonsense, a 50 year old chick who looks good for her age can easily find a horny 20 year old guy to sleep with her.

Your advice is sound though, focus on self. Your fellow man is not your friend.

 

[SW15]

TBH, I almost want one of these PUAs to run a bootcamp in a Tempe or Scottsdale. I bet right now that some of these PUA types could actually pull in those cities with the mindgames they play with women. Someone like Julien from RSD would probably clean up in Tempe.

It probably has already happened. When Mystery was hosting the "The Pickup Artist" on VH1, Season 2 was in the Phoenix area and I'm sure some of the gaming was done in Tempe/Scottsdale. That was 14-15 years ago.

It is always sort of sad to see what happens afterwards when these guys graduate. They are always living vicariously through college basketball and telling you about how they were the man in college. Occasionally, these guys will climb a corporate ladder or two so you end up having to work alongside them or god forbid work for them. I find that most of them never outgrow their college days and they struggle with women massively afterwards.

I know we hate PUA a lot and rag on cold approachers but the one silver lining is that I have seen these PUA students often do better than the former frat guy who is just clinging to frat glory. The decline these dudes go through after graduation is truly unreal. If they do not get married with kids, they are often that loud annoying drunk at the bar.

What about the guys who can't even hang their hats on frat glory from their college days?

It's not just living vicarious through college basketball. It's college football too. Depends on if the school is better in football or basketball.

In a lot of cases, PUA guys are trying to make up for disappointing high school and college relational and sexual experiences.

I wouldn't be so big on a woman hitting the wall. With the amount of Cougar porn nonsense, a 50 year old chick who looks good for her age can easily find a horny 20 year old guy to sleep with her.

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One popular maxim of the manosphere is the wall. It goes something like this: Once a girl is done riding the **** carousel, she will find herself at an age and lower attractiveness where she can no longer get the alpha male she wants. She will then have no choice but to load up on cats or find a lo

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I don't believe too much in The Wall. Male thirst is too high now and has been like that for a while. Plenty of 40-50 year women are having sex with 18-26 year old men.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

@SW15

I can actually respect the PUA guy who is trying to make up for lost time. Assuming he is true to the craft and not worshiping his younger years and the Chad nonsense, leaning borderline incel himself, I respect the guy who takes action. IMO, life after college has a far higher ceiling than life in college.