scrouds
Master Don Juan
Time to hide assets and shop for lawyers.
"She's Out of Your League"
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
On the brink of cheating
- Thread starter ChuckNoRisk
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"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
Serg897
Master Don Juan
Just spent some time reading through this thread - I think its important for the rest of us to remember that no matter how bad it went with that sexy girl who ran off after a few months, it can always be worse. You could have gotten married and ended up in a horrible place, like this guy.
You're right, it seems like the OP is too clouded right now to actually make the hard choices and take charge. In the end, it seems, the answer to ALL issues about women is independence, non-attachment, and the ability to walk if things turn to sh!t. The OP is unable to think this way right now, and so his problems will continue.
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
Viagra4Soul
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I've been through this - the female councellor spent the best part of a year placating her, and ignoring my concerns completely.
When I finally got some one-on-one time, without my partner there, and explained my situation fully over 45 mins, the counsellor spent the last 15 mins telling me "she would have done this to anyone, not just you" and asking me to please drag her sorry ass back in there so she could work on my partner's issues alone. The Ex never went back, and we broke up (mutual agreement) a month later.
Not worth your time - this relationship is done. The sooner you accept it, the happier you'll be.
When I finally got some one-on-one time, without my partner there, and explained my situation fully over 45 mins, the counsellor spent the last 15 mins telling me "she would have done this to anyone, not just you" and asking me to please drag her sorry ass back in there so she could work on my partner's issues alone. The Ex never went back, and we broke up (mutual agreement) a month later.
Not worth your time - this relationship is done. The sooner you accept it, the happier you'll be.
alphaace
Don Juan
So umm, why were so many posts deleted? I think I missed quite a bit of story here.
Rollo Tomassi
Master Don Juan
Couple's Counseling = Last stop before toll.
Mr.Positive
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I've often wondered if couple's counseling is just another way to beat a guy down further, by placing all the issues on his shoulders.Rollo Tomassi said:
Honestly,
The only real needs I've got from women is no drama, a happy fun person to be with...and lot's of sex. If a woman is so selfish to not even attempt to meet this simple list that makes me happy, I walk away.
So, with marriage, 'counseling' is needed. Is a woman's selfishness even addressed, or is all the blame placed on the guy?
I wish Chuck all the best. I just don't think counseling with some raging feminist is going to fix a person who is just selfish, and uncaring, as Chuck's wife is. If anything, it will probably make things worse.
Chuck, there's a great quote in an above post....tough times don't last, tough people do.
The future will get better, be strong Brother!!!