"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Ok what next...

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So last saturday I took this girl to the freshman formal and we danced, made out, and cuddled. Now we're officially bf/gf situation. I talked w/ her last night and she wants to take this slow and get to know each other more before we move ahead. She liked what happened Saturday night but apparently thinks it was fast. She didn't expect me to take her behind the curtains on the dancefloor and kiss her:D

Also, this girl wanted to sit down at a lounge while we were leaving the club... but it was empty so we were all alone... do you guys think she wanted me to make a move? because i did while we were sitting on the couch

Question is how do I get her to want it more than I do? I'm trying to seduce her more than have it seem like I'm the one wanting all the physical stuff.

No dumb**** answers please.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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mind control chip implanted in the back of the right ear should work
 

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she'll grace herself into it just keep doing what you're doing. Just respect her if she says a firm "No!" ie the Rape call.
 

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Just out of curiosity... You're 17 but you went to the Freshman Formal? Are you a freshman, or is she?

Moved to HS...
 

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freshman in college douchebag:p

put that **** back in the don juan discussion this ain't no high school ****
 

“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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she's a sophomore and i'm a freshman at the same uni:p

supergigolodj, i straight up asked her if we were bf/gf coz my last relationship was not clear so i had to get **** straightened out first hand... so being exclusive/ not exclusive is out of the question...

i'll keep the second point in mind though... what else you guys got?
 

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Originally posted by Zhen
freshman in college douchebag:p

put that **** back in the don juan discussion this ain't no high school ****
wow

Your getting a b-itch slap for talking to a mod like that, cause thats just stupid.

idiot :rolleyes:
 

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i think mr. debonaire is a *****

apparently i'm the first guy she's kissed and although she's 20, she's never thought of kissing a guy until it's a serious relationship.

it's gonna be fun taking her out of that shell:)
 

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When a girl says "we're moving to fast" I hear "I really like you but I don't want you to think I'm an easy slut"

Now personally I would use one of David DeAngelo's techniques, which is Two steps forward, one step back and build the anicipation.

This has worked good for me in the past.

Two steps forward and one step back means advancing then pulling back a bit.

Next time your sitting on the couch try this. Hold her hand for a bit then let go, lean back and keep talking.

Then after a few minutes kiss her for a bit, pull back and keep talking.

Keep advancing this way and let me know how it works.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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