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The question at hand is reminiscent of what people said in the 70’s: Who will be the next Beatles?
The answer of course is that there can never be a next Beatles. All the ingredients existed at that moment in time, but all have dissipated and morphed.

Pook was a man of his time. He was a pioneer, and most men intuit this and respect him for it, even if they can’t articulate that. The world has changed drastically since Pook’s time. There can never be another 90s or 2000s. There can never again exist the social climate of his particular day. He had no Pook to look back to as we do. He was essentially blazing a new trail into new territory. Oddly, he drew upon the classics to make his points. That, I believe, was because he instinctively knew how to draw upon universal principles, but he presented them for the then current times.

The reality is that Pook passed the torch on to us. It’s easy to consider his stuff as a little dated or limited, but he really did do a lot to open up men’s consciousness and made us aware of our innate tendency to pedestalize women.

That depedestalization, I believe, is where we should be concentrating our efforts these days.

We shouldn’t be looking for another Pook, for that perceived “messiah” will never come. Instead we should be thankful that he was around when he was, and value his writing as insightful and applicable for today.
 
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I prefer Mystery,Rsd Tyleror Julien, Jeffy, even RooshV who is still swinging in the Trenches.
This guys wants to make money, they don't give a fvck about their clients, and they are not gonna fix their clients problems to get the intimacy with woman they want, because the have to make as much money as possible, their clients gotta go back to their seminars ot make ore money. How the fvck do you think they got their knowledge and skills about the PUA? HEARTISTE blog is free, the DJ's bible if free, the book of Pook is free and kill pete hog the same according to me this guys got the material from the internet, learned it, and copied Mystery to make a buck. The PUA industry is made to get you addicted to it so that you'll go back and buy more their products . All the guys you mentioned got a girlfriend or got married and mystery nearly committed suicide when her dream girlfriend was breaking up with him.

One of the most alpha guys i know was spinning 6 or 7 plates at the same time and he didn't need the guys that you mentioned above, and the 14 of February 6 women show up in front of his father tires shop taking flowers to him, all six the broads began fighting each over my friend.
Another guy got 6 girls spinning in 6 different towns, he stopped to work at 5-6 pm, traveled in each town to fvck each girl and got back home 5-6 am of the next day. I don't know how he did but he did. These friends of mine don't know the PUA industry, they aren't Brad Pitt and tall neither.

PUA industry it's a wast of time and money.
I mean come on guys it's nothing that red pilled unplugged guys can't do, instead, if you're are red pilled and unplugged I think you can do it better. I don't remember if was julien or tyler, but on youtube they began talking about the matrix and being plugging in, obviously they're reading the rationale male by listening what they were saying, and selling something you can get for free


The question at hand is reminiscent of what people said in the 70’s: Who will be the next Beatles?
The answer of course is that there can never be a next Beatles. All the ingredients existed at that moment in time, but all have dissipated and morphed.

Pook was a man of his time. He was a pioneer, and most men intuit this and respect him for it, even if they can’t articulate that. The world has changed drastically since Pook’s time. There can never be another 90s or 2000s. There can never again exist the social climate of his particular day. He had no Pook to look back to as we do. He was essentially blazing a new trail into new territory. Oddly, he drew upon the classics to make his points. That, I believe, was because he instinctively knew how to draw upon universal principles, but he presented them for the then current times.

The reality is that Pook passed the torch on to us. It’s easy to consider his stuff as a little dated or limited, but he really did do a lot to open up men’s consciousness and made us aware of our innate tendency to pedestalize women.

That depedestalization, I believe, is where we should be concentrating our efforts these days.

We shouldn’t be looking for another Pook, for that perceived “messiah” will never come. Instead we should be thankful that he was around when he was, and value his writing as insightful and applicable for today.
Well said we should develop new material for the manosphere. Nowadays only Heartiste, Rollo Tommasi ,a bunch of others guys and some users of this forum are creating good contents, most importantly without making money out of it. The stuff of Rollo Tommasi is always free, he doesn't even get donation, eh get donation for retired dogs that can't compete anymore, and the money of the audiobooks goes to Sam Botta to pay his medical bills, but most importantly the stuff of his blog it's the same of the book. Heartiste doesn't have ad's on his site.
 
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PlayHer Man was my favorite poster but he's gone for some time now!
He was very good indeed. I wish he stayed around. We threw him miles of leeway, probably more than any other poster, but he just couldn't live within the very liberal parameters we gave him. He made some excellent contributions, but there has to be some degree of order and respect for the rules around here, which I have always thought to be extremely fair and reasonable.
 

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This guys wants to make money, they don't give a fvck about their clients, and they are not gonna fix their clients problems to get the intimacy with woman they want, because the have to make as much money as possible, their clients gotta go back to their seminars ot make ore money. How the fvck do you think they got their knowledge and skills about the PUA? HEARTISTE blog is free, the DJ's bible if free, the book of Pook is free and kill pete hog the same according to me this guys got the material from the internet, learned it, and copied Mystery to make a buck. The PUA industry is made to get you addicted to it so that you'll go back and buy more their products . All the guys you mentioned got a girlfriend or got married and mystery nearly committed suicide when her dream girlfriend was breaking up with him.
exactly.. Copied Mystery.

Theyaall made something of themselves. RooshV still has no gf or wife but is swinging for the fenced. Much of the posts here are train wreck nightmare marriages and guys who don't or can't approach.

Da **** you going on about? Rollo had dalrock on who said he wants a wife. Most if not all the forum here is secretly or not so secretly wanting a wife.

One of the most alpha guys i know was spinning 6 or 7 plates at the same time and he didn't need the guys that you mentioned above, and the 14 of February 6 women show up in front of his father tires shop taking flowers to him, all six the broads began fighting each over my friend.
Another guy got 6 girls spinning in 6 different towns, he stopped to work at 5-6 pm, traveled in each town to fvck each girl and got back home 5-6 am of the next day. I don't know how he did but he did. These friends of mine don't know the PUA industry, they aren't Brad Pitt and tall neither.
One of my mates doesn't know what pickup is yet, he bangs models. Is a fitness model. The ****s your point?

PUA industry it's a wast of time and money.
I mean come on guys it's nothing that red pilled unplugged guys can't do, instead, if you're are red pilled and unplugged I think you can do it better. I don't remember if was julien or tyler, but on youtube they began talking about the matrix and being plugging in, obviously they're reading the rationale male by listening what they were saying, and selling something you can get for free
The ****kkk is a wast? Learn to spell and formulate thoughts and or arguments.

Aren't you that dude who e brags about porking and chasing old ladies?

Your pal Rollo has a book and segment on top form SMV. You may want to Read it again.

Not doing it right.

I said what I found value in and what worked for me.

Your post reeks of Elliot Rogers on pua hate.

Can't approach kuz? Maybe one day, you'll get over approach anxiety.



Pickup doesn't work... Doesn't approach lol.
 
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He was very good indeed. I wish he stayed around. We threw him miles of leeway, probably more than any other poster, but he just couldn't live within the very liberal parameters we gave him. He made some excellent contributions, but there has to be some degree of order and respect for the rules around here, which I have always thought to be extremely fair and reasonable.
I suspect he's out there somewhere under a different username. That or married lol and moved on.
 

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Oh, actually I was talking about Pook with the baby papoose. Need my Geritol.

Yeah, the whole PHM beta fagg thing was a little much.

Time and time again I see a common thread when it comes to a long-term poster being banned: Lack of self-control. They are always hyper-sensitive and thin-skinned, and I guess that's why they go on the attack and get into kindergarten arguments.

The way I see it, if two men butt heads here, they should have their say with a couple of exchanges and then move on. We mods aren't going to pounce on that. But some guys escalate and carry on relentlessly. I suspect it's also a method to protect their perceived persona here on SS.
 

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Well it's also the easy way to get validation. If you shout slogans and polarise the debate you get repped

Y the heck a grown man would care IDK.
 
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Agreed. In terms of the coaching, he's superb and far better than a lot of guys. Personally, I prefer Mystery,Rsd Tyleror Julien, Jeffy, even RooshV who is still swinging in the Trenches. Julien is married post rebrand and media scandal where man gets kicked off planet earth. To date, I've not seen better at cold approach. Dude is a absolute hell storm at provoking women and going full retard. His wife is a stunner. I think marriage is phaggotry today but, if you wenta decade+ of chain gunning cold approach pickup worldwide,then you choose the white picket fence, power to you.

In 2019, its pathetic what passes for game now. Much of pickup is nonsense. Even then, it is more taking action then red pill.
Which is why it really sucks that RSD Julien took down all of his YouTube videos. Lots of valuable information lost. At least we still have Tyler and Jeffy.
 

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One of my mates doesn't know what pickup is yet, he bangs models. Is a fitness model. The ****s your point?
It was an example foe what i wrote about PUA. Read below

The ****kkk is a wast? Learn to spell and formulate thoughts and or arguments.
you grow up your tiny brain, what I said it's clear an watch the rsd videos on youtube


Aren't you that dude who e brags about porking and chasing old ladies?
I never did it, read my posts
Your pal Rollo has a book and segment on top form SMV. You may want to Read it again.
This thing has nothing to do with what we're talking.
Your post reeks of Elliot Rogers on pua hate.
I don't know the guy, and then again read better my post, I don't like the PUA industry, not PUA skills/techniques. I like PUA a lot, I don't waste my time and money with the guys of PUA industry like the groupie like you. I said YOu can do better than them

Can't approach kuz? Maybe one day, you'll get over approach anxiety.

Can't approach kuz? Maybe one day, you'll get over approach anxiety.



Pickup doesn't work... Doesn't approach lol.
I could Pick up broads even before I discovered the rationale male

Everyone tough behind the key board

And then again, read my post more carefully, the message was you don't need to waste money with PUA industry. I think my message was too bitter to swallow for a guy like you that is into RSD and RooshV. RooshV the guy who went in eastern Europe to find a wife, one of the most beta things, that says a lot ....


In case you still don't get it, the message was " don't money and time with PUA industry, not PUA doesn't work, there's all the stuff you need for free on the manosphere for free to learn PUA".
 
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Everyone tough behind the key board

And then again, read my post more carefully, the message was you don't need to waste money with PUA industry.d time with PUA industry, not PUA doesn't work, there's all the stuff you need for free on the manosphere for free to learn PUA".
I often think guys are better off not getting into PUA material. Seems like it sends the message that guys aren't good enough as they are, they have to develop some sort of false personality and turn into some sort of swaggering jackass, or else women won't be attracted to them.
 

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I could Pick up broads even before I discovered the rationale male

Everyone tough behind the key board

And then again, read my post more carefully, the message was you don't need to waste money with PUA industry. I think my message was too bitter to swallow for a guy like you that is into RSD and RooshV. RooshV the guy who went in eastern Europe to find a wife, one of the most beta things, that says a lot ....


In case you still don't get it, the message was " don't money and time with PUA industry, not PUA doesn't work, there's all the stuff you need for free on the manosphere to learn PUA".
Fvcking smart phone keyboard fvcked up
 

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I see that many work places that have been taken over by the sisterhood. And yet here we see guys splintering and bickering. The PUA vs LMS thing is played out here we've owned it too hard. Come on seriously there are plenty of approaches social tricks and psychology that work. Read one decent science backed book and there are dozens and apply three or four of them and you will get laid God knows I did often.

And guess what not being a social retard is going to help you with your LMS.

And while I was having fun with game and yes I do mean fun I didn't toss my career in I didn't stop playing my sports I didn't stop working on my car and house and I didn't turn into a dancing monkey.

Guys in 2019 we have to move past these binary black or white discussions. It's a fluid-dynamic world and rigid thought patterns won't serve you well.
 
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I often think guys are better off not getting into PUA material. Seems like it sends the message that guys aren't good enough as they are, they have to develop some sort of false personality and turn into some sort of swaggering jackass, or else women won't be attracted to them.
PUA is good to the extent it develops your basic social competence. The problem with it was that it taught the same thing as the original blue pill does: that looks are not the primary medium of attraction. In this regard it was actually worse than the blue pill. The blue pill doesn't teach you to think you can or should try to completely control everything, hence the saying "just be yourself" - but in the PUA world, you were framed as the only player-controlled character in reality. Women were like NPCs and everything was up to what you did or thought "wrong" to manipulate them.

Some of the material was focused on letting go of your inhibitions rather than inhibiting yourself with a new fake personality, but I'm not sure I would really classify that as PUA.
 
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@Amante Silvestre ; @Glassguy ; and @guru1000 are consistently the best right now IMO. Great advice that takes focuses more on the forest and not the trees.
While I appreciate the vote of confidence, the sad thing is that this game of life passes us all by at time or another. I wish I knew at 16 yrs old what I know now.

There will be others who choose the path of rotations, maintaining a strong frame, etc. I try to provide good insight to those people so they can get as far away from Disney land fairy tale island and realize how to put yourself and your needs first. That is the only way to maximize life in general and get what you want. Isnt that what we are all here for? Not only with women, but with everything.

Nobody wants to grow up poor and lonely.

Women always have been and always will be women. The major difference in the last 15 years (that is more than the change in the last 100 years combined) is social media. I have said all along that these women have a false sense of entitlement when it comes to the options they have at their disposal. Sure they can be pump and dumps on OLD, but they honestly think most of these guys are someone they could have a LTR with.

Ironically the guys turning them into pump and dumps on OLD are the guys that have it figured out. Its like the great Mojave Desert for a woman. Mirages of LTR's everywhere only to find out after a 2 hr date with them pulling their panties back up that it was just another guy after one thing. So kudos for those guys for identifying what use those types of women really are and using them accordingly.

Who knows where things are headed as things progress forward with technology, etc. One thing is sure- as long as you follow some simple guidelines and make good decisions for YOUR happiness, you will be headed in the right direction along with those changes.
 

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I often think guys are better off not getting into PUA material. Seems like it sends the message that guys aren't good enough as they are, they have to develop some sort of false personality and turn into some sort of swaggering jackass, or else women won't be attracted to them.
PUA material is certainly useful that it can give a man a nice little top layer of his personality that can give him results. A lot of the techniques work very well, but they only work on the initial attraction. For someone who has no desire to be in a relationship, it's perfect. For someone who wants a relationship, it's still useful to initially get the woman, but the guy's core personality will eventually come through and will ultimately cause her interest to plummet. A man needs his personality to align with how he portrays himself.
 

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PUA material is certainly useful that it can give a man a nice little top layer of his personality that can give him results. A lot of the techniques work very well, but they only work on the initial attraction.
It's such a mishmosh because there's so much good in the manosphere. It's good for guys to know the risks when dealing with women, and it's good to know and aspire to key concepts of strength and masculinity. It's good to know basic social principles.

It falls down when they try to turn every guy into the same personality. Sometimes it seems like they are trying to turn out millions of carbon copy clones of Owen or whoever out into the world, and that just sounds like a nightmare. And some of the philosophies espoused are pretty sleazy, at best, as are some of the more manipulative tactics. Not really promoting the best out of men. There's a thread right now about the benefits of banging other men's wives. Not exactly uplifting the men around us, which is something the manosphere claims to be about.

It just amazes me how eager guys are to change themselves into whatever it is they think will get them laid, and abandon whatever part of themselves will not. I swear if PUAs promoted the idea that women were attracted to guys who give bl0wjobs, 95% of the forum would be getting on their knees.
 
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It falls down when they try to turn every guy into the same personality. Sometimes it seems like they are trying to turn out millions of carbon copy clones of Owen or whoever out into the world, and that just sounds like a nightmare. And some of the philosophies espoused are pretty sleazy, at best, as are some of the more manipulative tactics. Not really promoting the best out of men. There's a thread right now about the benefits of banging other men's wives. Not exactly uplifting the men around us, which is something the manosphere claims to be about.

It just amazes me how eager guys are to change themselves into whatever it is they think will get them laid, and abandon whatever part of themselves will not. I swear if PUAs promoted the idea that women were attracted to guys who give *******s, 95% of the forum would be getting on their knees.
“One size fits all” is a big problem with PUA guru advice. I saw that early on.

Not every guy can pull off being a smirking, ball busting, c&f guy.

Not every guy can pull off being the loud frat boy/party guy.

But the gurus don’t pose their advice as, “This is my style. I recommend it because it works for me.”

Instead, they send more a message of, “THIS is how it’s done. I cracked the only known code to attraction, and EVERY guy must do it THIS way or else you are a chode/wussy/AFC.”
 
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