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I guarantee you he's not addicted to alcohol enough to have seizures from withdrawal or deleruim tremens.

There is no possible way for this statement to have validity.
 

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I don't know how bad your drinking, or possible drug use has been, but mine is extreme. If this man has as bad aa a drinking problem I've had in the last, or even some hard drugs, another substance is not the advice he needs. Because my substance abuse problems, turn groom from 5- 10 grams of kratom a day, to 20,to 28, to 4 ozs, to smoking crack. You might be able to handle kratom for even a long time. But people like me chase that euphoria hard, and get reckless.

I understand you have good intentions, but you have to be understanding who you're talking to. Any man that's struggling emotionally, especially because of a woman, needs to not use anything.

Kratom is an opioid. It's absolutely psychologically addictive. People like me will just start taking more and more and more, until if we try to stop, even after the initial acute withdrawals, we're exhausted for a month.

Its one thing to use a little kratom here and there, but it shouldn't be more that a few days a month. Now if a man is in pain, struggling, especially because of a woman, he needs to stop all mind altering substances.

Maybe in projecting, but op sounds like me. I used to be like him, and not as bad as I am now.

If you knew all the men I've met and I told you all I'd stories they told me. A lot of these men are on the streets after divorces, or their babies mamas betraying them. It's absolutely a tragedy. One man that looked out for me, he told me he used to own a business and two homes. After his very last divorce, he started drinking to much because he was in pain. He got his third dui here in south Florida. He told the cop "you know if you charge me with this I'm absolutely fvcked and my life is over" the cop said "I don't give a ****" this man ended up on the street, lost everything. Was roaming around for awhile, until he got in good with this man who owns a laundromat. He sleeps in the office and over watches everything, repairs everything, maintenains a presence there. This man was a marine like me. Most homeless people hate him, he kinda of is an a$$hole, his foot is fvcked from diabetes, he drinks beer from the moment he Wales up till he goes to sleep. N but he looked out for me. I helped him mop and empty the garbages, he let me sleep there at night, gave me cigs and beers all the time, and this man is kind of an a$$hole to everyone.

He has diabetes and he confides me a lot. He straight up told me that he already has a noose prepared for when they amputate his foot or feet, that he already decided that if that happens it's over with.

Yet this man has fed me, listened to my emotional rants, given me wisdom. Tolerated me doing drugs in the bathroom and behind the building. But he was a marine in the 60s. He doesn't judge me. He even got me in good with the owner of the place.

Look man, when men are down and really suffering do not encourage them to do any kind of mind altering substance.

Kratom is legal and very available, and the acutes are less intense, but they linger a long time and what really makes it hard to stop is that, at least where I live, it's legal and available at many stores and cheap. I was addicted to that sh1t for like 3 years till I was taking 4ozs a day and it fvcked me up. If this guy starts chasing the euphoria it's gonna be harder to stop that alcohol or cocaine.

I guarantee you he's not addicted to alcohol enough to have seizures from withdrawal or deleruim tremens.
Kratom addiction is way better than alcohol addiction man. Acohol nearly killed me a few times when i was younger. Host situation sounds pretty dire.

Going straight off alcohol like that can really **** u up for a longggg time. Once you experience your first panic attack from a withdrawal your brain is ****ed with anxiety and terror for a long time. I just drink kratom and smoke weed on alternating days now. Weed one day kratom tge next to prevent any withdrawals. **** alcohol.
Ideally he should probably use valium as sparingly as possible for a few weeks to reduce withdrawals go AA and never do any substance again. GBut tapering off tghen going down kratom seems more doable.
 
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I don't know man. For me after the infantry training battalion, I still started smoking cigarettes again, and getting drunk every night, but I ran a few miles every morning no matter what. I started using substances early. Started off by drinking my parents wine and watering it down. Then whe and I was like 14 my brother smoked weed with me for the first time, and I always pinched his weed, stole his ciggerattes. My dad used to have nitrous oxide for a whipped cream thing and I'd do all of those. I used to just go from gas station to gas station all over Wisconsin until some one sold me alcohol, which is easy in Wisconsin. My neighbor who built a house on our street, he was a carpenter named Walt. I always was on his property building bike jumps and sh1t, his family had a lot of money on the area they built everything, i was like 6 years old and this man was my boy. Building bike ramps on his property. He eventually built a house there with his wife at time, I had free reign, eating his food, swimming in his pool, he always said, in front of his wife "why buy the cow when you can Milk it for free?" I've been hearing this from a young age. I used to sit in trees, watching deer run past me with arrows sticking out their side, and hunters running 15 mins later, who I told "you're in private property" which way they went. My mom had to go tell some men to stop setting traps near our home. Outlaw biker games used to run the bars here, and I Know quite a few.

Is Europe really that soft? I think was homeschooled and was mentored by hard a$$ bastards. But my father majored in theology and philosophy and still me made good money.
Ill define it. Big boy salesman all over the country. You have girls everywhere. You still drink a little and smoke a little weed but all the rest of it your done with. You know how to show folks a good time.
 

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I’ve been sober since I posted this thread, I feel good, these days I feel better overall. Huge ups and downs though.

But I haven’t heard from her since last Tuesday. I’m sure we’re just ‘ignoring’ each other on purpose, but it’s killing me.

Like I said, she did try to reconnect, but I just can’t. We have a group chat with other colleagues, there she acts normal. And I hate it.

Should I text her something or just leave it?
 

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Ill define it. Big boy salesman all over the country. You have girls everywhere. You still drink a little and smoke a little weed but all the rest of it your done with. You know how to show folks a good time.
I don't even like smoking weed anymore it makes me feel paranoid and I just want to be alone when I smoke. I can't drink a little. If i have 5 regular beers it won't be enough, I'll wake up a couple hours later and won't be able to sleep. I just got extremely drunk an smoked half a gram of hard the day before yesterday.

If someone offered me a few beers I wouldn't even want it because it won't do anything for me. I need thirty regular beers. But liquor at malt liquor are cheaper.
 

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I see these people drinking just a natural ice for example and are content. I don't understand how. I need to like 15 natural ices.

A lot of the men I got close to here in Florida are actually salesmen. One I met in rehab who was the Ford franchise sales manager of the dealership in Jacksonville, is one of the men I was closest to. He made a lot of money, time shares, cars, he sold everything, but he's a really bad alcoholic. Went from working for the Ford franchise, to a used car dealership, was the sales manager there, then he managed to fvck that up, so now he opened his own used dealership. This man would confide in me about his most personal things, especially with his wife who was also a salesman. He used to be fvcking rich, still has money. But he's just like me when it comes to addiction. He can't find peace in his life. No matter how much money or material possessions, he just lacks it. I don't know how he is now. My phone got stolen a few months ago when I was on the street again. I lost his number. He did kratom for a while, but started getting real emotionally unstable on it, like me. But when he drinks within a few days he's getting arrested, fighting the police, and waking up in jail.

I'm talking this man has had a beautiful home in Jacksonville, with horses, Mercedes, tons of tons of money. But he gains all this value, the stress the accumulation of value results in his addiction getting bad, then loses some of it. He's not a bad man at all. He grew up in rural Massachusetts. I grew up in rural Wisconsin. This is where we really connected. Especially talking about wandering around the woods alone as children. Hunting. Stealing out uncles alcohol. He's a country boy too. Seems like the more money he's gained, which is a lot, the more it's destroyed him.
 

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I see these people drinking just a natural ice for example and are content. I don't understand how. I need to like 15 natural ices.

A lot of the men I got close to here in Florida are actually salesmen. One I met in rehab who was the Ford franchise sales manager of the dealership in Jacksonville, is one of the men I was closest to. He made a lot of money, time shares, cars, he sold everything, but he's a really bad alcoholic. Went from working for the Ford franchise, to a used car dealership, was the sales manager there, then he managed to fvck that up, so now he opened his own used dealership. This man would confide in me about his most personal things, especially with his wife who was also a salesman. He used to be fvcking rich, still has money. But he's just like me when it comes to addiction. He can't find peace in his life. No matter how much money or material possessions, he just lacks it. I don't know how he is now. My phone got stolen a few months ago when I was on the street again. I lost his number. He did kratom for a while, but started getting real emotionally unstable on it, like me. But when he drinks within a few days he's getting arrested, fighting the police, and waking up in jail.

I'm talking this man has had a beautiful home in Jacksonville, with horses, Mercedes, tons of tons of money. But he gains all this value, the stress the accumulation of value results in his addiction getting bad, then loses some of it. He's not a bad man at all. He grew up in rural Massachusetts. I grew up in rural Wisconsin. This is where we really connected. Especially talking about wandering around the woods alone as children. Hunting. Stealing out uncles alcohol. He's a country boy too. Seems like the more money he's gained, which is a lot, the more it's destroyed him.
He'll get it back when he takes care of the addiction. Takes responsibility. To have peace, and fulfillment money can't be the ultimate goal. But it's a byproduct of how he's living. If you lost his number, remember his name. Google it. Those contacts will be useful.
 

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One of my other best friends that I met here in Florida, hes from new Jersey. He used to live in the Philippines scamming people in Europe with phone sales (he said you never EVER try to scam Americans because then the fbi gets involved and is they do its over with) he had a beautiful condo with a maid who cooked cleaned and he fvcked her. He brought woman back to the house all the time, and his maid literally fell in love with him, and she'd cover for him, when the other women asked her questions if he was single or player, etc. He really grew to love and appreciate this woman, paid her extremely well for her loyalty. Last time I heard from him he was still living in Boca, had a winter condo he rented from a guy he knew who was gone all summer, spring and fall, he likes smoking crack and doing herion and fvcking hookers. He'd just invite me over to drink beer, eat ribs and watch fights. Last time i talked to him, i had been off kratom but started drinking again, did nothing else, I tried to tell him, because his health was wavering, "man you have to stop doing the herion you look like sh1t, your health is real bad" he didn't care, he said "look man this is what I like to do, I'm aware, this is what makes me happy" ok then. I never talked about that again. One time, this is when I was with my ex Cambodian hood rat, who she got real mad at me for going there, but wouldn't tell me I couldn't use her car, and he nodded out, standing up, unconscious. I figured he's still standing and breathing so it's not like he's dead. I had to yell at him to get him to snap out off it. I didn't want to watch him die or deal with the police. But he showed me generosity and kindness, looked out for me when I needed something. Gave me good advice on how to deal with other humans. Honestly Id be surprised to find out he's still alive. But the man could make money like you wouldn't believe, and he made money fast.
 

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He'll get it back when he takes care of the addiction. Takes responsibility. To have peace, and fulfillment money can't be the ultimate goal. But it's a byproduct of how he's living. If you lost his number, remember his name. Google it. Those contacts will be useful.
You don't understand. At least Bob had some sense and sometimes tried to get sober, yet usually failed. The other one straight up told me " smoking crack and doing herion is what makes me happy" if he's alive, he's barely alive.
 

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He'll get it back when he takes care of the addiction. Takes responsibility. To have peace, and fulfillment money can't be the ultimate goal. But it's a byproduct of how he's living. If you lost his number, remember his name. Google it. Those contacts will be useful.
The carsalesman Bob, I could talk into at least trying to get sober. He always tried to convince me to selling cars. He said "I'm teach you everything" he took his game so far that, if he sold a car to someone, he had a calender, he wrote down their family members birthdays and would send them post cards etc. He was telling me things he did to get sales you wouldn't believe anyone would take it to that extent. Absolute mad man. He was willing to take me under his wing. He always encouraged me to sell cars. Always told me I'd be good at it.this man was kind of insane. But one of my best friends.
 

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The carsalesman Bob, I could talk into at least trying to get sober. He always tried to convince me to selling cars. He said "I'm teach you everything" he took his game so far that, if he sold a car to someone, he had a calender, he wrote down their family members birthdays and would send them post cards etc. He was telling me things he did to get sales you wouldn't believe anyone would take it to that extent. Absolute mad man. He was willing to take me under his wing. He always encouraged me to sell cars. Always told me I'd be good at it.this man was kind of insane. But one of my best friends.
Shyt your fvcking lucky. He just needs to stay sober and focused. A connection like that will blow you up...
 

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At least I'm still in my halfway house. As long as I don't get drug tested in the next few days I'm good. Even if I'm late on rent. Which usually I am. But here I am. Hung over bad the entire day yesterday. It's not even noon and I'm drunk.
 

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Shyt your fvcking lucky. He just needs to stay sober and focused. A connection like that will blow you up...
They say that lawyers and salesmen have the highest rate of addiction and suicide. But could it be that addicts are just good salesmen? Chicken or the egg?

Especially if you end up on the streets. That's hardcore game. You can't trust anyone. People are dangerous. I've had knives pulled on me. I've had drunkards who've been drinking for 15 years being homeless acting crazy with me. It's a very touchy situation and you better know what to do without losing face. But I can also just have people giving me money sometimes. Especially women.

But my life is sh1t. I feel very restless and discontent. Even if I get women, that's not enough. That's almost nothing. I don't even care that much about sex. Smoking crack is way better than sex.
 

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Me b1tching about how miserable my life is and as a result I got trashed and smoke crack. Look at her response. It's definitely a game. Screenshot_2020-08-31-11-35-13-1.png
 

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Shyt your fvcking lucky. He just needs to stay sober and focused. A connection like that will blow you up...
From a certain perspective many people might think Bob is like a thief. Legally he's not. But to me, he'd never take from me. He wanted to teach me to make money fast. Even when we were in rehab. I was on Tyne Christian track so my therapist (who i never felt comfortable with nor opened up to) couldn't read me). His therapist has a mastera degree in psychology, and believed in healing crystals, she was a retard. Poor man. I met his wife and she was 40, fine aa fvck, visited him, took care of him when he needed, she was a salesman too. That fvcking therapist made him stay double the time, he only did it because of he got approval from her he'd keep his sales management position at the Ford franchise dealership. He made a lot of money there and didn't want to lose it. Imagine how he felt when he found out the woman who was his therapist believed in healing crystals or stones. HAHAHA its terrible. Poor guy had a litteral retard deciding his fate, he couldn't even be real and get the help he needed because he had to eventually say fvck it and run game.
 

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Kratom addiction is way better than alcohol addiction man. Acohol nearly killed me a few times when i was younger. Host situation sounds pretty dire.

Going straight off alcohol like that can really **** u up for a longggg time. Once you experience your first panic attack from a withdrawal your brain is ****ed with anxiety and terror for a long time. I just drink kratom and smoke weed on alternating days now. Weed one day kratom tge next to prevent any withdrawals. **** alcohol.
Ideally he should probably use valium as sparingly as possible for a few weeks to reduce withdrawals go AA and never do any substance again. GBut tapering off tghen going down kratom seems more doable.
I've never ever had a panic attack. Before I joined the marine corps, I was taking norcos and had bought 100 2mg Xanax bars for $1 a piece and ate all those pills. Yes i suffered very much when detoxing but I've never experienced a panic attack. Even when coming off of 2 liters of vodka a day after a month of straight drinking, plus beer, i never felt chest pains. I was absolutely miserable in pain, and going insane in my mind, but physically I didn't experience panic attacks. I've never ever had a panic Attack. I've read about it a LOT.

Benzo/alcohol withdrawals can be bad. There was one time i remember I think i was sobering up. I think i either remember or had a dream of getting up and smashing my head into my door by accident. But when I woke up and felt this alleged memory, i felt my face and head, looked in the mirror, but their were no marks and I think i was good. Even that time i was going to school for electrical engineering technology. It was my second try. Never showed up to lectures I already knew how it works. I used to have to have some Xanax to go to my other classes because id be getting the shakes so bad, couldn't think, felt like i was going insane.my sociology professor, a black phd student, came up to me in the community college lounge (as I was drinking vodka from a water bottle) got on his knees and almost cried, asking me why I got the highest grade, why every one else's is failing, and I said " What do you mean? Your lectures are interesting and simple you literally only ask us to remember three things" bro I'd be so hung over and suffering and first one done with his tests. It was. Mostly black people in the class. I didn't know what to tell this guy. I was very drunk. The man got on his knees. I literally told him, "dude what are your doing stand up".

I straight up told film, look I've been getting smashed every day for the last few months. Your class is one of the most interesting and easiest classes I've ever taken. I enjoy your lectures. They're just lazy.
 

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Funniest thing ever. In this sociology class. We were asked to do a presentation. The title is mine was "the police (not the band)" verbatim. It was mostly black people in my class, in Racine Wisconsin. It's the hood basically. It was an informative presentation about what you're rights are as a citizen. For example, i played a song by the police (the band) then I talked about your rights. For example, if a cop pulls you over, if they ask you where you are coming from, or where you are going, you can absolutely not answer. You ask "what crime to you. Suspect me if committing" and "am I being detained?" they were shocked, the blacks. One girl said "you really don't have to answer where you're coming from or going?" i said "fvck no you don't" at the end, i said you basically need to exercise your rights like I've told you, systematically or this will happen, and I played the entire footage of Rodney king getting his a$$ beat. These black people didn't know what to think. I think i shocked them. But I informed them of their rights. I think they knew a little about Rodney king, but i made them all watch Rodney king get his @ss beaten. I won't lie about getting a soft rubbery one from the looks on their faces. They're so obsessed with pop culture and social media that they've never really considered the truly darker things of our history as a nation.

Even being homeless in Florida in a republican county, i woke up at 3am had been drinking for a few weeks. Was walking down the street. This young female cop pulls me over. I says "what crime do you suspect me of committing" her response " none" i say am I being detained, she said no. Ok so I'm free to go right? As I'm nodding my head (in sales you use your body language, often times, people will reflect you and you can control them to ab extent this way. She said no, o laughed and said what the fvck do you mean? Then a male cop shows up and I asked him "am i being detained" he said absolutely not " so I can go right?" nodding my head. He said yes. I told the female cop excuse me, she moved and I kept walking.

But the funniest thing is i made a group of blacks watch Rodney King get his as beaten. Too funny. My professor said "do you think you took things to far?" hell no. B1tch fvck you
 

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They say that lawyers and salesmen have the highest rate of addiction and suicide. But could it be that addicts are just good salesmen? Chicken or the egg?

Especially if you end up on the streets. That's hardcore game. You can't trust anyone. People are dangerous. I've had knives pulled on me. I've had drunkards who've been drinking for 15 years being homeless acting crazy with me. It's a very touchy situation and you better know what to do without losing face. But I can also just have people giving me money sometimes. Especially women.

But my life is sh1t. I feel very restless and discontent. Even if I get women, that's not enough. That's almost nothing. I don't even care that much about sex. Smoking crack is way better than sex.
Those jobs have a "devils advocate" or "boiler room" amounts of stress in them. Coupled with alcohol its like adding gas fumes to spark. So it happens quickly. Alcohol was their "go to" to. "Relax" and to "unwind"... So it catches them quick.
 
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