Mask/Vaccine mandates being lifted. Hmmm...

[corrector]

I haven't had a single shot nor isolated. Haven't gotten sick at all. So....what does that say?

It says that unvaccinated people, like us, can not afford to get sick.

 

[corrector]

Evidence suggests that among the fully vaccinated and boosted omicron is more of an endemic respiratory disease that is not fatal. Aka, if you keep up with the shots at worst it is like the flu.

I do not understand why people are still making this political.

It is a political issue when governments start fining people. There are more fights on airplanes than ever before. When you can basically tell someone to fvck off by deciding whether or not to wear a mask or get vaccinated then its political by nature. 30% of other Canadians would want me behind bars for not getting vaccinated according to polls. How can it get more nasty than that?

 

[HaleyBaron]

It says that unvaccinated people, like us, can not afford to get sick.

Says you. I can afford anything.

 

[corrector]

Says you. I can afford anything.

Then get omnicron infected. You cant brag about being unvaccinated until it hits you.

Lots of people in the ICU crying they did not get vaxcinated before they died. I guess you are better than they are.

 

[Bokanovsky]

COVID-19 was a new strain of coronavirus; thus the science on it has been evolving as we learn more information. It is always going to be a losing argument to those that require concrete answers to be “convinced.” Unfortunately, the people who do not trust the science community are disproportionately dying because of it.

Are you aware on any historical examples of when the "science community" was wrong?

 

[HaleyBaron]

Then get omnicron infected. You cant brag about being unvaccinated until it hits you.

Lots of people in the ICU crying they did not get vaxcinated before they died. I guess you are better than they are.

I can certainly brag about having a stronger body if this illness hasn't even touched me. Says more that this thing hit all the unhealthy people around me. Btw people have gotten sick prior to 2020. Why does everyone have amnesia all of a sudden?

 

[EyeBRollin]

Are you aware on any historical examples of when the "science community" was wrong?

Sure. However, that is not the point. The choice is advisement of virologists and epidemiologists vs. your own opinions and feelings.

 

[Bokanovsky]

Sure. However, that is not the point. The choice is advisement of virologists and epidemiologists vs. your own opinions and feelings.

Did you know that, at one time, "virologists" and epidemiologists" treated diseases like the plague by bloodletting? I'd like to think that modern doctors know more about Covid than medieval doctors knew about plague, but I'm starting to have doubts.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Did you know that, at one time, "virologists" and epidemiologists" treated diseases like the plague by bloodletting? I'd like to think that modern doctors know more about Covid than medieval doctors knew about plague, but I'm starting to have doubts.

Cool. Your feelings vs. epidemiologists.

 

[Bokanovsky]

Cool. Your feelings vs. epidemiologists.

More like my feelings against pharma executives. Enjoy your boosters.

 

[corrector]

So I have bragging rights then? I'm not vaccinated. Though I didn't get tested, my fwb and I both manifested symptoms at the same time, and got over them around the same time. She tested positive for covid. I was with her a few days, and a week before we both showed symptoms. I lost my smell/taste, had a slight irritated throat, felt weak, drunk, delirium for a couple hours and body soreness. I'm pretty sure I got covid from her.

No I never said you were bragging. I am not bragging either and I am also unvaccinated. I do believe the virus is real and have not been infected yet and I dont want it.

By the grace of God I have avoided infection. My mother says there is a spiritual shield blocking the virus. That is the only reason I am alive today despite looking at porn (I fear I bite the hand that is protecting me by doing that, though I have repented again?).

I am also taking 10,000 IUs of vitamin D, 2 K2s, 2 Zinc and plan to go to ths weed store and try some Cbd Drops (and maybe some edibles) plus wear n95 mask so I am doing everything I can to not get infected.

A vaccine choice is suspended until Feb 12th as I no showed a vaccine appointment on Jan 12 leading to a self imposed 30 day delay. I have suspended my free will to take the vaccine until that date or later.

I guess I mentally assent with the vaccine. Just like some people mentally assent Jesus but dont invite Him in, they dont repent and want an easy life. I do the same with the vaccine. Maybe one day I will take the plunge.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Below is from a magazine article (I forgot which). An interesting observation:

 

[HaleyBaron]

I think the biggest injustice is being put into labels like "no vaccines/ vaxxers [this word is still a language trick I hate it]". Really speaks to the average intellect of most people when all they can do is shuffle others into only two categories. Like their brains cannot go beyond that.

 

[EyeBRollin]

More like my feelings against pharma executives. Enjoy your boosters.

Will do. Enjoy Covid-19.

 

[RickTheToad]

I dont know the answer to your question, but the first step would be to look at the data and see if they controlled for other variables. The vax rate should be higher among people who are old and sick already, idk if they controlled for differences in the two samples, vaxxed vs unvaxxed.

People are reporting in the ER they are vaxxed and boosted, show their proof (it's now electronic in CT), but they are having severe issues. Many have underlining medical issues which has most likely exacerbated the situation. However, saying that everyone should get vaxxed and then COVID will go away is completely false. It will continue to mutate, most likely to a lessor virus strain; but will always be here. Similar to how people still get the plague. With antibiotics, it's not a death sentence any longer. Quite treatable.

 

[RickTheToad]

They are not.

You are 100% wrong and incorrect dude. 100% wrong. But hey, what do I know. I only am in the ER six days out of the week admitting and releasing patients.

 

[EyeBRollin]

You are 100% wrong and incorrect dude. 100% wrong. But hey, what do I know. I only am in the ER six days out of the week admitting and releasing patients.

No. Your claim that vaccinated are more likely to die from COVID-19 than unvaccinated is wrong.

 

[corrector]

People are reporting in the ER they are vaxxed and boosted, show their proof (it's now electronic in CT), but they are having severe issues. Many have underlining medical issues which has most likely exacerbated the situation. However, saying that everyone should get vaxxed and then COVID will go away is completely false. It will continue to mutate, most likely to a lessor virus strain; but will always be here. Similar to how people still get the plague. With antibiotics, it's not a death sentence any longer. Quite treatable.

That misses the point. It's not about eliminating the virus, but making things in such a way that it does not overwhelm the health care system and ICU beds. To say the vaccines are not effecting this is not real. You would have at least DOUBLE the hospital admissions of vaccinated people if they were all unvaccinated. You don't see that higher number saved as you can only see absolute numbers rather than whether it's proportionate or not.

Of course, Omnicron is pushing people who have underlying medical issues over the edge who are vaxxed. But it's a bad disqualifier since you are not comparing it with how man otherwise healthy patients who are unvaxxed are there.

 

[RickTheToad]

No. Your claim that vaccinated are more likely to die from COVID-19 than unvaccinated is wrong.

Never said that at all, but cool story dude.

 

[RickTheToad]

That misses the point. It's not about eliminating the virus, but making things in such a way that it does not overwhelm the health care system and ICU beds. To say the vaccines are not effecting this is not real. You would have at least DOUBLE the hospital admissions of vaccinated people if they were all unvaccinated. You don't see that higher number saved as you can only see absolute numbers rather than whether it's proportionate or not.

Of course, Omnicron is pushing people who have underlying medical issues over the edge who are vaxxed. But it's a bad disqualifier since you are not comparing it with how man otherwise healthy patients who are unvaxxed are there.

We're at the same or near the same levels of admissions at St. Vincent's MC as when the pandemic started. So, considering I'm actually here in the ER, it's pretty safe to say I'd know the difference dude.