Last Man Standing
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Do you guys think anyone will ever want to marry me?
Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."
You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.
She's been waiting forty minutes.
Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
This is probaly the hottest thing I've read on this forum in like, ever.Fuglydude said:I think its unethical to go after chics that are hooked up, but to each his own...I've seen so much infidelity in my time, that it doesn't even bother me anymore.
I do however, stand by my value.
Gold.bigjohnson said:My thoughts are don't buy your bread and meat at the same store.
Oh, I get it just fine - I have been that "low class Preek" .And I knew what I was doing at the time and I knew that it was wrong.aliasguy said:-
I can't believe you don't get this.
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Not unless you are 6'2 with a hot ride and lots of dough. And look like Brad Pitt. :crazy:Last Man Standing said:Do you guys think anyone will ever want to marry me?
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
I agree with Jophil28, as men, it's important that we take responsibility for our actions. It's just like anything, you can find reasons to excuse anything you choose to do if you want to. You can 'pass the buck' of responsiblity, h3ll everyone does, why not?jophil28 said:Blaming the woman totally is ONLY valid if the other man does not know that she is married. IF he knows that she is married and still fvcks her , he is a participant and therefor shares accountability.
I suppose I can see the hypocritical argument you guys are making.logic1 said:After reading this thread at least I know who 's advice is worthwhile.
The mildest word I can use to describe "some" of the posters is Hyprocrites!!
I would hate to be in business with some of you guys.
Carry on.
jophil28 said:Oh, I get it just fine - I have been that "low class Preek" .And I knew what I was doing at the time and I knew that it was wrong.
Blaming the woman totally is ONLY valid if the other man does not know that she is married. IF he knows that she is married and still fvcks her , he is a participant and therefor shares accountability.
I would NEVER accept my LTR or my wife having sex with another man for ANY reason. To do so would make me a cuckold and a cuckold is not a compete or functional man.
To accept that it is OK for you or any man to have sex with a married woman sets up a moral dilemma. If you are OK with a man taking an "opportunity" with a married woman, would you object to another man screwing YOUR wife is she wanted it?
If you answer "yes", they you are a cuckold, if you answer" no" then your are a hypocrite.
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
THis thread has lost it's way. The OP was wrestling with some doubts about whether he should follow up on some married woman's "invitation signals".aliasguy said:-
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But the bottom line is, the person RESPONSIBLE is the woman who's f*cking around on you. SHE'S the one I'd be (and WAS, in my case -- I divorced her) pissed at. The guy is just a guy, doing what guys do.
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jophil28 said:THis thread has lost it's way. The OP was wrestling with some doubts about whether he should follow up on some married woman's "invitation signals".
The replies have been mostly in favor of him "doing her" and using a variety of feeble justifications to rationalise his doing do..." boys will be boys.." .
"she is the problem not you ... " Her husband is an AFC ..(as if AFChood deserves infidelity) ... " If you don't , some other guy will." and the doozy of irrational womanlike thought .." You are doing the husband a favor ..".
What a load of horseshyt !"
The replies here (for the most part) focussed on apportioning blame after the fact - most of the blame went to the married woman. THis thread was NOT about who is to blame - it was about whether it was a smart idea in the first place - before the fact !
Would you guys be OK with YOUR wife (or LTR) having sex with another man. Forget the circumstances.
IF you object to that then, by extension , you cannot have sex with another man's wife - lest you become a hypocrite who lives by double standards .
Yeah , I was thinking the same thing.KontrollerX said:Why would a person thats likely gone through something similarly hurtful whose overcome all that sadness and pain, woken up to the matrix and become a DJ with a vast amount of attractive single options to choose from ever go swimming in the gutter again and lower themselves by rewarding some cheating scum with that DJ's own time and body doing to another man what has likely been done to him in the past?
Still it does not compute.
Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.
She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.
Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.
So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.
The words come later. The impression comes first.
Surely there are enough single women around without tapping some AW "desperate househor ".jophil28 said:Yeah , I was thinking the same thing.
Secondly, I do believe that we all have a responsibility to hold another man's wife as "off limits" . I respect another man's marriage.
Whether he is a DJ, an AFC or a communist tree hugging vegetarian is irrelevant.
Would that include setting a "no affairs - no sex outside" rule for your wife and yourself ?aliasguy said:--
When I want to settle down, if that EVER happens, I'll do it with much more wisdom than last time.
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jophil28 said:Would that include setting a "no affairs - no sex outside" rule for your wife and yourself ?
Brad is only 5'8" tall - I look better than him andiqqi said:Not unless you are 6'2 with a hot ride and lots of dough. And look like Brad Pitt. :crazy:
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.