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Is sex sacred to women at any point?

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Advice from the old lady:

It depends. Some women pull sex and love apart forever and just enjoy it as pleasure or obligation as others have mentioned. Others keep sex and love entwined (I have) and retain the ability to bond, but I'd say that it gets more rare in upper age groups to find that amongst women who aren't already partnered.

Men like to bond as well, let's not fool ourselves. But some men also lose the ability to bond once they have been so promiscuous as to become addicted to the dopamine hit of the conquest. That's a tough give up.
 

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It depends. Some women pull sex and love apart forever and just enjoy it as pleasure or obligation as others have mentioned. Others keep sex and love entwined (I have) and retain the ability to bond, but I'd say that it gets more rare in upper age groups to find that amongst women who aren't already partnered.

Men like to bond as well, let's not fool ourselves. But some men also lose the ability to bond once they have been so promiscuous as to become addicted to the dopamine hit of the conquest. That's a tough give up.
More lifetime sex partners = reduced potential for bonding. It happens in both sexes, but I believe that effect is more pronounced in women.
 

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never heard this one before . I think that is an exaggeration . From what I Know the median count for sex partners is 9 global , which means that 50% had less than 9 partners and more 50% more than 9 . The big countries were feminism is more powerful the median is at 10- 11 .

the funny thing is that usually the average and ugly ones have a higher notch on average when compared to the high value women

women have a lower notch count in all the studies by half :)

100 partners is top
Not sure where you have been. Girls are skiing down cawk mountain. Are running through dudes. Not considering marriage nor settling down until way after DANGER ZONE. I wanted LOTS OF CHILDREN once upon a time prior to learning game and pickup. Prior to wanting to date more, hookup, the vet for a wife as well as children. I don't anymore. Its not real life nor are the women today of worthy caliber.

I would love to see a source. At best its dated. Its not close to the experience I seen in game or pickup nor anything close to what I have seen in high school or college. The vast majority didn't get to softmore year with double those digits. Many had kills three times that long before graduation. College was open season. I remember one girl at 19 and she racked up a 100 kills in a school year.

There is no such thing as high value women. She is a woman. Her **** stinks. Dudes would be in for a surprise if they vet women based on the value of her fertility or lack thereof.

Mate, the notion of you deeming high value women is that idealism I warned you about. 80% of divorce rape is initiated by women men had once deemed like you. Its male ego that gets him wrecked in stupid situations. Mystery is a legend and OG but that same idealism let him to a weeping embarrassing mess for a party girl slut likely full of STDs and abortions. Modern women are 100x worse than her in the early 2000s.
 

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Not sure where you have been. Girls are skiing down cawk mountain. Are running through dudes. Not considering marriage nor settling down until way after DANGER ZONE. I wanted LOTS OF CHILDREN once upon a time prior to learning game and pickup. Prior to wanting to date more, hookup, the vet for a wife as well as children. I don't anymore. Its not real life nor are the women today of worthy caliber.

I would love to see a source. At best its dated. Its not close to the experience I seen in game or pickup nor anything close to what I have seen in high school or college. The vast majority didn't get to softmore year with double those digits. Many had kills three times that long before graduation. College was open season. I remember one girl at 19 and she racked up a 100 kills in a school year.

There is no such thing as high value women. She is a woman. Her **** stinks. Dudes would be in for a surprise if they vet women based on the value of her fertility or lack thereof.

Mate, the notion of you deeming high value women is that idealism I warned you about. 80% of divorce rape is initiated by women men had once deemed like you. Its male ego that gets him wrecked in stupid situations. Mystery is a legend and OG but that same idealism let him to a weeping embarrassing mess for a party girl slut likely full of STDs and abortions. Modern women are 100x worse than her in the early 2000s.
i agree with you about the quality of most girls , but in the same time I am quite sure that there are still girls that are high value .

I am quite sure that most girls that you are talking about from experience are quite average towards ugly side of spectrum who are using sex as a tool of validation .

I noticed this too also , that lower value women have only one tool to keep dudes around that is sex , without it they would be just ignored by men
 

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Girls are skiing down cawk mountain.
yep i was speaking to a girl the other day and she literally let it slip she had dated 3 guys in about 10 weeks(all of which had been to her house), i was gobsmacked

they are literally taking a guy per cycle
 

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yep i was speaking to a girl the other day and she literally let it slip she had dated 3 guys in about 10 weeks(all of which had been to her house), i was gobsmacked

they are literally taking a guy per cycle
Every 30 days. They "try" one. Get tired of each other's narcissistic behavior and move onto the next. Each time the female side thinks its going to be something good or trade up.
 

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I do know one thing and that’s whenever you fck a woman she start chasing you . I think we get the point how important most of the times is sex for them.
 

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So Austria Dik ( a redpill YouTube) claims that sex holds very little significance to a women. Giving her body away is equal to an elbow massage or hand shake. I would disagree. I would say that most women start off viewing sex as special. What happens is after that first guy who Alpha widows them, then they disconnect love from sex. This is the definition of a whure. A women who has completely disconnected love from sex.

I have my viewpoint is because I grew up in an era where the older guys told me that after sex you have the girls heart.
Sex is sacred for a virgin because its the unknown but once she hops on another **** its starts to desensitize her.

But I think some women value their pvssy more than their mouths for others its the inverse.

I think for a beta bux guy they'll give up their pvssy but no BJs but for Chad or Tyronne they'll blow him to show they are ready to get down but "are not that type of girl to give pvssy up so easily"

There is study that shows women who marry the only they they fvcked or are virgins at marriage have a 90% success rate and then it drops to 40-50%. This might connect to that.
 

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Sex is sacred for a virgin because its the unknown but once she hops on another **** its starts to desensitize her.

But I think some women value their pvssy more than their mouths for others its the inverse.

I think for a beta bux guy they'll give up their pvssy but no BJs but for Chad or Tyronne they'll blow him to show they are ready to get down but "are not that type of girl to give pvssy up so easily"

There is study that shows women who marry the only they they fvcked or are virgins at marriage have a 90% success rate and then it drops to 40-50%. This might connect to that.
I read somewhere that everytime a woman opens her leg for a man, she gives him her "soul".
The more guys she gets with,the more she divides her soul and that means that one man can't own her anymore.
 

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I read somewhere that everytime a woman opens her leg for a man, she gives him her "soul".
The more guys she gets with,the more she divides her soul and that means that one man can't own her anymore.
Fascinating. I guess that makes a bit of sense because she is always comparing xxx to yyy.
 

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So Austria Dik ( a redpill YouTube) claims that sex holds very little significance to a women. Giving her body away is equal to an elbow massage or hand shake. I would disagree. I would say that most women start off viewing sex as special. What happens is after that first guy who Alpha widows them, then they disconnect love from sex. This is the definition of a whure. A women who has completely disconnected love from sex.

I may be wrong though because I had a convo with my cousins. This was years ago. I was advising them to not be whures. I told them that the first guy is special. One told me that she didn't feel any type of special connection with the first guy. She just wanted to get it over with to finally experience sex. Now she a hoe to high status men/ rich men.

I have my viewpoint is because I grew up in an era where the older guys told me that after sex you have the girls heart. My old heads and my dad told me to not abuse her emotions after sleeping with her. Dad said before sex she has the power, after sex you do. That may just have been late 90's blue pill conditioning though.
I will reply to you later.
 

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100% disagree. There are two sides to every woman—the PR version that needs to have security and emotional investment and a special connection before and after sex and the side of her that will have depraved NSA sex with no investment and no connection. Just two different responses to different sets of emotional triggers. Solipsism ensures that these two competing drives can exist in the same woman without her suffering from cognitive dissonance—both sides are honest in that moment.

But they don’t. The PR version just pretends this is the case. I’d wager that, on average, women have far more sex—both in terms of partners and frequency—than 99% of men.

Except that women will have sex with you much more quickly when she knows you won’t commit and when she knows you aren’t bf material. Two competing drives.

Only when they don’t get what they want. Just another way of playing the victim. But if you gave them a chance to do it over, they’d make the exact same decisions as they did the first time around—attraction is not a choice.

Lol. Pure male fantasy to perpetuate the Madonna/Wh0re fallacy—just two sides of the same coin. Different girls have different levels of inhibition and fear of judgement and different social influences, but overall it all comes down to the kind of man you are. If you’re 100% comfortable about sex and nonjudgmental, you’ll see a very different side of women from the rest of the world. The women in your life will attach as much meaning to sex as you do.
We are not talking about IF women have more sex, we know they do, because they can, they are offered constantly. We are talking about WHY they they, and WHAT triggers it. Pan87 was absolutely correct. The utility behind it, is the answer. You make some good points here, which shows you see the reality, but I think you actually agree more with Pan87 than you think.
 

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the idea that women want everything in one man as the ideal is one idea the manosphere and Blue Pill society at large have in common
Have been saying this over and over. The concept of "the catch" is from the time when monogamy was enforced. Today, they HEAVILY bifurcate sex zone men and relationship zone pseudo-men(slaves). Renaissance men not needed, not as good as the former and too risky to be the latter.
 

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Have been saying this over and over. The concept of "the catch" is from the time when monogamy was enforced. Today, they HEAVILY bifurcate sex zone men and relationship zone pseudo-men(slaves). Renaissance men not needed, not as good as the former and too risky to be the latter.
if you think about it , it was never really enforced the monogamy as you think . The history is filled with incestous relationships , especially when guys would went to war , seducers like Casanova and Don Juan , etc etc

we get the idea that this is the case only because back in the days in order to be able to live you had to be as many as possible in a home where everyone would know exactly what they had to do in order not to starve to death .

so I think that things give the impression of this only because most of the people were very poor and they just needed each other
 

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This is the title of your post "
"Is sex sacred to women at any point?"
Did you look up the word "sacred" online, dictionary, asked friends, family, and coworkers?
Sex is not sacred to any woman, sex is merely secular.


"So Austria Dik ( a redpill YouTube) claims that sex holds very little significance to a women. Giving her body away is equal to an elbow massage or hand shake. I would disagree. I would say that most women start off viewing sex as special. What happens is after that first guy who Alpha widows them, then they disconnect love from sex. This is the definition of a whure. A women who has completely disconnected love from sex."
I partially agreed with you. However, significant or not, sex is not sacred. No, no, no, no. An elbow massage and or hand shake are not equal to sex, you may get an erection from either one but it wont be like sex. Sex is intercourse, there is a lot more when it comes to sex than what the Austria Dik believes to be equivalent. No, I do not believe most women view sex as special, but sex is the flashpoint of any romantic relationship. It holds the key to the longevity of the relationship, and for some, a relationship revolves around sex, good sex. In my opinion, no romantic relationship has started until there is sex.
There is no such thing as disconnecting love from sex because a woman who is a ***** still have a pimp, she loves her pimp. A woman can also fall in love many times over her life time. Correct, a woman who has disconnected sex from love has not bashfulness. She is a whure. She fvcks many men and cannot love, but they actually love too, you just don't experience it, and just because you are not experiencing it, it is not happening. It is not happening to you and that is all. Well, a whure is not necessarily a woman who disconnected love from sex, but a woman who connected sex with money. A whure have sex with many many many men, many times, she is not selective. Now, some women can sleep with a man for other reasons than love, like for money, power, and social class and position.


I may be wrong though because I had a convo with my cousins. This was years ago. I was advising them to not be whures. I told them that the first guy is special. One told me that she didn't feel any type of special connection with the first guy. She just wanted to get it over with to finally experience sex. Now she a hoe to high status men/ rich men. No, you are wrong here, first guy is not special. The Alpha guy is the special, and he may not really need to be the first guy. Also, even before the first guy, there were her fingers..... That one (your cousin) told you the truth..... Have you ever heard a saying about the last one? The last man in her life is always worth more than the first. This only means when she has a new one is because she already forgot about the last one.
Yes, probably so. She wanted to have sex with men and not with herself. Well, If she is a hoe with high status men she is a covert hoe and not an overt whure. She is interested in rich men only. This is not a whure, whure will fvck anyone one who pays her, your cousin will not, she is simply selective.


I have my viewpoint is because I grew up in an era where the older guys told me that after sex you have the girls heart. My old heads and my dad told me to not abuse her emotions after sleeping with her. Dad said before sex she has the power, after sex you do. That may just have been late 90's blue pill conditioning though.
This is an old folkish tale I have been told too. It is a lie because if not, then women would not break relationships and they do it even after sex. It is best to forget about it or you will fail. What you were told came from a man marriage minded and not from a player. Both are man, but with different mindset. In my experience, women dislike the marriage minded guy. I do not know why.
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Women are horny. They want dvck. Been with a lot of women, and none have ever alluded to ‘sacredness’ of sex.
Exactly. It was never 'sacred' to women. This is a male-applied narrative. They are just more free to do it and talk about it than ever before. Some of you have even conceded this - that birth control and relaxing of social mores have made women freer to "chase Chad" or whatever. Their brains didn't change in just half a century of evolution. They were always chasing Chad. You can't have it both ways.

I wonder, have you guys ever seen a horny woman out for blood? They want to go out and get railed by anyone. Ever heard or seen the way they talk to girl friends or discreetly about it? A visit to any university campus will show you all you need to know. If a girl comes on to a target and he's oblivious, she'll move on to the next target and fast. BJs and HJs don't count. And girls will do "slvtty" things that they won't even disclose to their best friends. Think about that for a second and ask yourself where the desire and the shame come from, and which is more enduring.

That men are more like this (hornier, less selective) is irrelevant. (And we're choosier than you think.) That has nothing to do with the question. Arguments about her "soul" being taxed or divided are theological/philosophical. Interesting but that serves no practical reality. Same with whether men *should* repress female sexuality with more social/legal consequences, as in the past or in repressive countries. That's political but it concedes that there's something powerful to repress. As for the hymen, most girls have shoved a dildo or a hairbrush handle into their cooch by 16.
 

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Different women, different things, different strokes, different folks.

I often look at the world of prostitution and agree that sex cannot be that sacred, with the sheer number of women readily available to do the nasty for quite small amounts of money.

Then I realise the sheer volume of men who will spend money without doing the nasty....

like most things about the opposite sex for both sexes, you can’t generalise, everyone is an individual. For every ***** you have a totally frigid ice bucket. I dated a very cool and arty type girl and I’ve never know such inability to connect to her sexuality. To the extent I tried to pick her up and put her on the kitchen to to eat her, and she panicked in a weird way. It was vanilla. She also couldn’t handle from behind. Weirdest lay of my lIfe. It was a shame as I quite liked her as a person.

On the whole I wouldn’t say that once you’ve had sex the man has the power. Weirdly I’d say once I’ve been in an LTR aspects of the power do go to you though. Once the allure of sex is a bit tired and no longer a novelty, she’s reliant more on your good nature and character.

I think If we focus on women we generally like - women who take pride in their appearance, women who work to present themselves as “sexy”, we will find much more of this devalued behaviour, as women who present themselves like this often, but not always, have self esteem issues.

The biggest folly of modern man is thinking that beauty is god given and not earned. It’s worked for and created by most women. Hence we single out the actions of these few as representative.
If you doubt me, think of the numerous women who constantly go from gym rat to bad boy to assorted cvnts and whine about “men” while it’s patently obvious it’s their choice in man, not men, which is the issue, and this, in women and men, stems from low self esteem and ego, in wishing for a prize partner with outward, superficial value as social proof.
 
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