Poonani Maker
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I found this video helpful http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5aL1SMPAuI
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
"I have a boyfriend"
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"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
pjtheman
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her: i have a boyfriend
me: ok, i don't date girls who settle for second best
me: ok, i don't date girls who settle for second best
steviecruiser
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the last girl who said this to me ended up tongue wrapping with me on the dancefloor of a club lol
"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"
Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.
She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.
Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.
So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.
The words come later. The impression comes first.
comic_relief
Master Don Juan
Her: "I have a boyfriend"
Me: "Just because there is a goalie doesn't mean that I can't score"
I scored
Her relationship was nonexistant (myspace relationship where they don't talk on the phone or in person) and they broke up the next week
comic_relief
Me: "Just because there is a goalie doesn't mean that I can't score"
I scored
Her relationship was nonexistant (myspace relationship where they don't talk on the phone or in person) and they broke up the next week
comic_relief
Hughman
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That's just know as an excuse, one which you beat *thumbs up*comic_relief said:Her: "I have a boyfriend"
Me: "Just because there is a goalie doesn't mean that I can't score"
I scored
Her relationship was nonexistant (myspace relationship where they don't talk on the phone or in person) and they broke up the next week
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As for my retorts it depends on the context:
Me: "So, you single?"
Girl: "No, I have a boyfriend."
Me: "Well, that's too bad. He's not insecure and jealous is he?"
Or
Me: "Blah blah blah"
Girl: "Blah blah, me and my boyfriend"
Me: *ignore comment, keep gaming* - if no progress - *ignore girl, switch target, "So you and your boyfriend happy together? (judge reaction) etc*
or
Me: "We should hang some time. Got a number I can get you on?"
Girl: "Sorry, I have a boyfriend."
Me: "I didn't ask if you had a boyfriend or not. That information is inconsequential to me. He isn't real needy and clingy is he?" (or another neg on the boyfriend, or make it apparent I'm cool with her dating several guys*
Best thing is to not respond when she says she has a boyfriend, If she does then thats fine, if she doesn't then that still fine, many girls will always have someone they can call a boyfriend, but sure enough she can find a better one right...:yes: The worse mistake you can make is mentioning if she has a boyfriend and if she does you are just giving her a reason to talk about him. Remember the only time a girl will tell you if she has a boyfriend is if you show to much interest a the beginning or possibly if you say something ridiculous.
I have a sister that has a boyfriend who tells me this, and i have gone out with her to bars with her and her friends. When she sees a guy she likes she acts like she doesn't have a boyfriend. A boyfriend is an obstacle to the desired outcome- winnering her over/getting a date/****ing her. So if she tells you she has a boyfriend continue gaming her. All YOU have to do is get them to believe they want you to **** them and it's on!
I have a sister that has a boyfriend who tells me this, and i have gone out with her to bars with her and her friends. When she sees a guy she likes she acts like she doesn't have a boyfriend. A boyfriend is an obstacle to the desired outcome- winnering her over/getting a date/****ing her. So if she tells you she has a boyfriend continue gaming her. All YOU have to do is get them to believe they want you to **** them and it's on!
"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
nateistoraw
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lol to the cross-examination thing. But there is really nothing else you can do but plant a seed and wait for rebound(WHILE YOU ARE SINGLE).lol
move along like that song
move along like that song
nismo-4
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That's because guys go after any girl they think is single. Poor/ ugly guys usually don't have options or have strongly relied on luck to meet women. They have to scrape the bottom of the barrel and just settle or take what girl is given to them.sux2bu said:
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No, stealing girlfriends (especially HB8+'s) is mandatory.aftershock said:Girl: "I have a boyfriend"
Me: "And since when has that bothered me?"
Or similar. I'd have to have built good rapport first though.
Stealing girlfriends is fun
Just a Shot Away
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Me: Lunch?
Her: "I can't...I have a boyfriend."
Me: *snaps fingers* Should've known.
Her: Why?! It's not ASSUMED....
That really made it worse. She kept trying to like, cheer me up or something as I was making my escape. She was probably lying too.
Her: "I can't...I have a boyfriend."
Me: *snaps fingers* Should've known.
Her: Why?! It's not ASSUMED....
That really made it worse. She kept trying to like, cheer me up or something as I was making my escape. She was probably lying too.
"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
"great, he can make us breakfast in the morning"
"so, how does it feel to be in a perfect relationship", to which she will answer its not perfect, and you can say, "then what stops you from having coffee with me.."
"you don't have to convince me someone else finds you attractive..."
"so, how does it feel to be in a perfect relationship", to which she will answer its not perfect, and you can say, "then what stops you from having coffee with me.."
"you don't have to convince me someone else finds you attractive..."
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.