Hypergamy stuffs…

[UK manc]

what is the AI stuff ? Men are using AI generated gamey text messages ?

well. There is some scope for it to work I think.
I pretty much do it currently albeit only slightly, on much a lower level. (I knock a few years off my age and use filtered pics)

Re the trust thing- tbh mate the % of relationships happening from apps is a much smaller slice of the pie.
And if the girls are looking for that , I’ll fail at step (b) tryna get sexual Yknow?

everythingmaxxing is valid strategy sure .
But even hard gym maxxing gains a guy about 0.5 of a point.

As the BP guys say “ there is no gym for face and height”. Which is true. Brutal but true

I’m mainly looking for hookups and ongoing casual/ FwB situations.. not traditional dating leading to relationships/life partners..

Two things...

I worry if you're playing these deliberate "falsifying" games it'll ultimately be your own mind that is played with over time.

And "gym" isn't just about the packing on muscle, but getting naturally down to 12% body fat or so. No huge steroid head/gut/acne...just lean and healthy... this will definitely improve your face.

 

[UK manc]

yeah, fair points

if you ask me, apps became crap mainly because plenty of of guys are uncalibrated and weird

Lots of people can be cool behind a screen with AI assistance and a minute to think of a nice line.

Irl you then get this. Uncalibrated. Both sexes.

 

[Cheeky_James]

Best strategy is to have a couple of funny exchanges then invite her to grab a drink in a neutral place then you sexualize things face to face rather than through texts

sexualizing too early might yield results from time to time but mainly from girls you do not really want to actually meet. To me is a really bad strategy

The chance of at least a decent looking girl getting horny through some texts on a app are extremely slim, so you will just loose a lot of opportunities out of laziness / fixation

text game should be only used for logistics and lighting up the mood early on, anything else becomes more and more uncalibrated

well this is the other strategy.
I had 2 dates this way this week.
1 date in the city , 2 hours long + 1 hour driving and $70+ spent on 2 rounds of drinks and parking.
2 days later she gave me the “dear John “ text of “not feeling a romantic connection” (whatevs)

2nd date closer but only 1 hour as she had double booked and had to go to her “friends for dinner” (possibly true who knows) $25 spent on a round of drinks. 50/50 chance of follow up. She’s actively dating etc

in Q1 this year I did about 20+ dates and prob sunk $1,000 + dollars (could be more tbh) plus all the time on dates and travel etc.

Can’t say for sure how many I converted to lays from this strategy as I mixed in Netflix and chill dates during this time. Maybe ..6 out of 20+ can’t even be sure if that number tbh.

so it gets expensive this strategy. And if all I want is hookups and casual /FWB…. Idk

gotta weigh it all up

sitting on my arse at home being Mr Romance Novel might be a better option for the effort -reward ratio. If I can optimise screening and script up the game Yknow?

there is just so many fcking variables in dating !

 

[Cheeky_James]

Two things...

I worry if you're playing these deliberate "falsifying" games it'll ultimately be your own mind that is played with over time.

And "gym" isn't just about the packing on muscle, but getting naturally down to 12% body fat or so. No huge steroid head/gut/acne...just lean and healthy... this will definitely improve your face.

check out this video analysis .

I’m reasonably fit btw. I walk a lot, swim a lot and used to do hot yoga but that’s lapsed. I need to get back to the yoga. And some other classes too possibly kickboxing etc

but for me to change my physique , like noticeably..it’s gonna be bulking up and getting a V taper w bigger shoulders chest and biceps .
I need wider shoulders especially.

That be hard graft for at least a year of bodybuilding basically.

But even then dude , I am capped out at 5’10” tall + 7 face vs the average Aussie bloke who are a fair bit Taller PLUS Ripped .(as aussies seem to start lifting at 10 years old or something idk lol)

Just saying, there is real caps and limits.
It won’t do much for my face actually.

 

[Bigpapa]

well this is the other strategy.
I had 2 dates this way this week.
1 date in the city , 2 hours long + 1 hour driving and $70+ spent on 2 rounds of drinks and parking.
2 days later she gave me the “dear John “ text of “not feeling a romantic connection” (whatevs)

2nd date closer but only 1 hour as she had double booked and had to go to her “friends for dinner” (possibly true who knows) $25 spent on a round of drinks. 50/50 chance of follow up. She’s actively dating etc

in Q1 this year I did about 20+ dates and prob sunk $1,000 + dollars (could be more tbh) plus all the time on dates and travel etc.

Can’t say for sure how many I converted to lays from this strategy as I mixed in Netflix and chill dates during this time. Maybe ..6 out of 20+ can’t even be sure if that number tbh.

so it gets expensive this strategy. And if all I want is hookups and casual /FWB…. Idk

gotta weigh it all up

sitting on my arse at home being Mr Romance Novel might be a better option for the effort -reward ratio. If I can optimise screening and script up the game Yknow?

there is just so many fcking variables in dating !

Well, you will always have a chance to be hit with the line “ I did not feel the chemistry “

the main reason for that happening is that she actually she is not opened to meeting new people but likes the attention she gets. It might be the reason that she actually is split between wanting to meet new people but she is equally afraid of what that means, or there is another guy that she is emotionally invested in, etc. Or you just f8cked it up

if you play the hand that you are dealt as best as possible, playing the long game you will get plenty of solid opportunities

1-2k per quarter spent on dates, is not that much money

 

[Bigpapa]

Lots of people can be cool behind a screen with AI assistance and a minute to think of a nice line.

Irl you then get this. Uncalibrated. Both sexes.

happened to me plenty of times that stare

I think that these kind of stuff happen because the younger generation is not as socialized as before + the feeling of inferiority and the ego to mask it

 

[Cheeky_James]

Well, you will always have a chance to be hit with the line “ I did not feel the chemistry “

the main reason for that happening is that she actually she is not opened to meeting new people but likes the attention she gets. It might be the reason that she actually is split between wanting to meet new people but she is equally afraid of what that means, or there is another guy that she is emotionally invested in, etc. Or you just f8cked it up

if you play the hand that you are dealt as best as possible, playing the long game you will get plenty of solid opportunities

1-2k per quarter spent on dates, is not that much money

re the ch1ck - I feel it was probably height. And definitely money. She was very well dressed and had high disposable income , loves to travel and is a good lifer. It could have been “game” but … nah idk. It went 2 hours. Maybe she caught the vibe things didn’t stack up w me or something. Prob could tell I don’t have her level of cash.


I think it was more $$$ outlay than $1Ktbh, closer to $2k even yeah idk. and a hella lot of time. One chick cost me $400-$500 I remember . I almost fvcked her in the back of her car on date 2 , (we got busted) after that she stringed me along for more fancy dates and changed her tune re the sex. I ditched her after date 4 or 5 she wasn’t worth it. She started playing me yo!

$1k-$2k is a lot dude .. for me anyway.
If the % play is low in the numbers.

 

[Bigpapa]

re the ch1ck - I feel it was probably height. And definitely money. She was very well dressed and had high disposable income , loves to travel and is a good lifer. It could have been “game” but … nah idk. It went 2 hours. Maybe she caught the vibe things didn’t stack up w me or something. Prob could tell I don’t have her level of cash.


I think it was more $$$ outlay than $1Ktbh, closer to $2k even yeah idk. and a hella lot of time. One chick cost me $400-$500 I remember . I almost fvcked her in the back of her car on date 2 , (we got busted) after that she stringed me along for more fancy dates and changed her tune re the sex. I ditched her after date 4 or 5 she wasn’t worth it. She started playing me yo!

$1k-$2k is a lot dude .. for me anyway.
If the % play is low in the numbers.

if the girl stayed with you for 2h most likely the issue was that the opportunity window was opened but you did not seized the chance to push things forward

Same thing with the other girl, she gave you the opportunity for things to happen then you were unlucky and the opportunity window has closed mainly because she started thinking that most likely you think she is a sl8t for wanting to sleep with you for the first time on the backseat of your car and then tried to work on the appearance by dragging you on

some things are imputable to you ( like the girl opens the opportunity window and you not going through it ) , while others are not ( like the backseat incident ). Some you can control, some you can not

but down the line, if you play the hands dealt as good as you can and play the long game, you should be in a very good spot

 

[Cheeky_James]

if the girl stayed with you for 2h most likely the issue was that the opportunity window was opened but you did not seized the chance to push things forward

Same thing with the other girl, she gave you the opportunity for things to happen then you were unlucky and the opportunity window has closed mainly because she started thinking that most likely you think she is a sl8t for wanting to sleep with you for the first time on the backseat of your car and then tried to work on the appearance by dragging you on

Nah I did try escalate w that 2h chick but she closed her body language. It was something else . Just low physical attraction I’d say simply.
I was kicking myself a bit Friday when I got the Dear John message. I ought to have gone -all out full Sleazy mode that nite haha.

other girl yah possibly . She had remorse cos she was tipsy that night, no doubt.

if it’s after 3 dates and no play I cut them . That’s game playing.

 

[UK manc]

check out this video analysis .

I’m reasonably fit btw. I walk a lot, swim a lot and used to do hot yoga but that’s lapsed. I need to get back to the yoga. And some other classes too possibly kickboxing etc

but for me to change my physique , like noticeably..it’s gonna be bulking up and getting a V taper w bigger shoulders chest and biceps .
I need wider shoulders especially.

That be hard graft for at least a year of bodybuilding basically.

But even then dude , I am capped out at 5’10” tall + 7 face vs the average Aussie bloke who are a fair bit Taller PLUS Ripped .(as aussies seem to start lifting at 10 years old or something idk lol)

Just saying, there is real caps and limits.
It won’t do much for my face actually.

At 5'10" I reckon a good end goal target would be 160lbs. I wouldn't see it as "bodybuilding" but just a plan to get stronger. 3 hours per week is nothing in terms of outlay or investment, for great gains.

 

[Cheeky_James]

At 5'10" I reckon a good end goal target would be 160lbs. I wouldn't see it as "bodybuilding" but just a plan to get stronger. 3 hours per week is nothing in terms of outlay or investment, for great gains.

Hmm, 160lbs =72.6kgs , seems a bit low in weight. But I’ll give it a shot.
3 hours pw is doable.

 

[Cheeky_James]

@Bigpapa
One pattern I have noticed with some chicks is this -

if they ask me a lot of questions early on ,.. like question after question… in the first 20-30 mins that seems to be a bad sign

another thing I find to be true is -
if a chick likes a guy , she will make it easy for him.
(And she will help him out if/when he fvcks up.)

And also if a chick likes a guy, she’ll be a bit nervous or act nervous (as a flirting thing)


There’s a chance I misread the situ and she wanted to actually just get laid that night . In which case yes , I was too slow in hour 1.
She could have helped me out in hour 2 though!, when my hand was on her leg, back and ass. And I was eyefvcking her.
She didn’t stiffen up but just kept talking through my escalation attempts. Enjoying the sound of her own voice,

Window had closed perhaps as you analysed.
Had to say tbh.

I reckon attraction was not there from the start her side, she gave me time to see what else was there and was not swayed .

 

[Bigpapa]

@Bigpapa
One pattern I have noticed with some chicks is this -

if they ask me a lot of questions early on ,.. like question after question… in the first 20-30 mins that seems to be a bad sign

another thing I find to be true is -
if a chick likes a guy , she will make it easy for him.
(And she will help him out if/when he fvcks up.)

And also if a chick likes a guy, she’ll be a bit nervous or act nervous (as a flirting thing)


There’s a chance I misread the situ and she wanted to actually just get laid that night . In which case yes , I was too slow in hour 1.
She could have helped me out in hour 2 though!, when my hand was on her leg, back and ass. And I was eyefvcking her.
She didn’t stiffen up but just kept talking through my escalation attempts. Enjoying the sound of her own voice,

Window had closed perhaps as you analysed.
Had to say tbh.

I reckon attraction was not there from the start her side, she gave me time to see what else was there and was not swayed .

I think the issue most likely with that girl is your calibration rather than her not being into you

you became very sexual in a public environment, which put you in a chasing position and made you look desperate

in regards to girls asking a lot of questions,usually it means that she tries to intellectualize the interaction

which means that you need to start making her feel

I remember that once I went out with a girl from bumble. And she looked like sh1t vs her pictures

and via text she was super chatty while in real life she was acting like an id1ot and staring into the room and ignoring me. I told her that she looks tired and that we should get home, and then started chasing me

stayed maybe 10 minutes more and then just left as I realized that I do not want anything from her as it looked like she is an id1ot

but what I am trying to say is that sometimes you need to cut things down ( in a nice way ) if she is making things difficult. Usually is an ego thing from their end and you will end up shooting yourself in the foot as people with ego do not respect people whom are a door carpet

 

[Cheeky_James]

@Bigpapa
Reflecting on your analysis .. I think you’re right.

Actually jsut had an idea . a comprimise for me could be for me to have more steps in my screening process. Try use more voice memos early in the chat ( so they can use that for making their decision early ) move to get more phone numbers quicker and start calling/ FaceTiming them firstly before dates.

if they are not flirting or showing choosing signals by voice memos, or on the phone /video calls then just don’t bother to proceed to a date.

bingo!

with apps the question mark is always “what are they open to w me?” . I think I’m messing up by matching w some chicks that have LTR /Serious in their bio and thibking I can seduce them on a date.
That’s happened a few times.
Just got my 2nd Dead John txt of the week just now from yesterdays date w a blondie. Mehhh.

 

[Bigpapa]

@Bigpapa
Reflecting on your analysis .. I think you’re right.

Actually jsut had an idea . a comprimise for me could be for me to have more steps in my screening process. Try use more voice memos early in the chat ( so they can use that for making their decision early ) move to get more phone numbers quicker and start calling/ FaceTiming them firstly before dates.

if they are not flirting or showing choosing signals by voice memos, or on the phone /video calls then just don’t bother to proceed to a date.

bingo!

with apps the question mark is always “what are they open to w me?” . I think I’m messing up by matching w some chicks that have LTR /Serious in their bio and thibking I can seduce them on a date.
That’s happened a few times.
Just got my 2nd Dead John txt of the week just now from yesterdays date w a blondie. Mehhh.

One remark though, usually girls that have “ looking for fun “ or something like that were the also the fastest ones to unmatch me or go cold

I don’t think I ever managed to go on a date ( at least ) with a girl that said is looking for fun in her profile

they are also significantly less attractive from my experience

I suspect that they add that they are looking for fun as a way to attract attention on them and get their dose of attention from higher caliber guys

 

[BillyPilgrim]

I do wonder about this Chadfishing /catfishing stuff

Like, if I tried dis strategy

(a) I catfished w my app profile, (to a degree but not completely )
Ie making myself a bit more handsome +buffer body in my pics, maybe added a tattoo or 2 (with software) and also stated I was 6 foot + tall..
So an 8-9/10 guy.

and then upon matching

(b) ran great sexualised flirting game/ sexual role
Play game to get the chick REALLY mentally and physically aroused…’dripping wet ‘ shall we say

Then if I got her over to my place … and then she opens the door and meets the real CJ…(the 7/10 CJ)

What are the odds she’ll still proceed to fvck me???

I mean she already made the mental effort and the physical effort to get there right? , and is super wet n horny..and has sexual fantasies playing in her head…she’s revving and good to go…

I reckon a good chance ?!

(Note to self : Must try this experiment )

Make sure to comfort bond while you are getting her dripping wet. And strike when the iron is hot. If she is very highly interested and your timing is right it should generally work.

 

[Cheeky_James]

Make sure to comfort bond while you are getting her dripping wet. And strike when the iron is hot. If she is very highly interested and your timing is right it should generally work.

yeah I know .. but when you say ‘should ‘.. do you know anyone that’s actually tried it /done it.

I mean in my mind. The worst that can happen is a slap. Or more likely she just vents “ oh for FVCK sake!.”. Etc and storms off..

Also there is the risk she’ll report me off the app.
If I don’t unmatch her quick enough.
I think Hinge has tracking sh1t on it actually - post unmatch not sure

 

[Cheeky_James]

One remark though, usually girls that have “ looking for fun “ or something like that were the also the fastest ones to unmatch me or go cold

I don’t think I ever managed to go on a date ( at least ) with a girl that said is looking for fun in her profile

they are also significantly less attractive from my experience

I suspect that they add that they are looking for fun as a way to attract attention on them and get their dose of attention from higher caliber guys

I agree this selection option is a bit of a red herring.
Those girls must be the most bombared chicks on the apps - with offers of d1ck. lol.

I was on FEELD (the spicier app) for a year.
It was so sh1t . As women are inundated .
Like 3000 likes in a week.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

yeah I know .. but when you say ‘should ‘.. do you know anyone that’s actually tried it /done it.

I mean in my mind. The worst that can happen is a slap. Or more likely she just vents “ oh for FVCK sake!.”. Etc and storms off..

Also there is the risk she’ll report me off the app.
If I don’t unmatch her quick enough.
I think Hinge has tracking sh1t on it actually - post unmatch not sure

Most everyone uses pictures that puts them in a slightly better light than real life

Which is why offering a date after 3-4 app exchanges and thinking your work is done is a bad idea. You need to build rapport, both sexual and comfort-wise to give you some sort of buffer against any slight in-person disappointment upon meeting, and to avoid the 2 hour, $70, one-and-done dates.

 

[Cheeky_James]

Most everyone uses pictures that puts them in a slightly better light than real life

Which is why offering a date after 3-4 app exchanges and thinking your work is done is a bad idea. You need to build rapport, both sexual and comfort-wise to give you some sort of buffer against any slight in-person disappointment upon meeting, and to avoid the 2 hour, $70, one-and-done dates.

how many text exchanges would you do roughly ( on average ) to do all of the above . Like total texts both sides..

hard to buffer against instant smv issues in person tho hey…
(Just sayin..)
Or as women call it “ that chemistry” or “romantic connection” lol

I’ve started implementing my new screening game and just sent out a bunch of sexy voice memos today , to try speed up their selection, I shall see what happens and report here.