"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
How to Get Her to say "I Love You" (first)
- Thread starter bigneil
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"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.
Yes… Whether she actually does or not, she will always use the L word first.
She may try to tease you into doing it first by using the word in multiple statements like. I love the way you do such and such,etc. Don't go for it.
xstang77
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1) She says "I'm in love" to her friends.
2) Her friends tell her "You're in love" (You won't be informed until months later).
3) She writes "I love your (something)" in a text. Example "I love your eyes".
4) She says "I love your (something)" in person. Example "I love your tie".
5) She tells you how good it feels when you hold her.
6) She makes love with you.
7) She writes "I like you a lot" in a text.
8) She says "I like you a lot" in person.
9) She says "I like you a LOT" several times one drunken night.
10) She casually says "I love you" in person.
11) She promises she will love you until the end of time (without your asking).
Note: none of this really means she loves you but it means she thinks she does during those particular moments. Don't think this means anything other than that. You must reseduce her every time.
"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
sazc
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Useless letters, wasted breath
sazc
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If a man is by my side, loyal thru thick and thin, good and bad, joy, sorrow, anger, that's when you know it's love.
Still waiting
"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
When a girl says I love you for the first time and then has at least 10 orgasms, it means something, trust me.
I didn't say it was forever, but having them love you just for that night is still great.
This forum is absolutely about getting the women you love to say "I love you". How can any "Don Juan" deny this?
Skyline
Master Don Juan
I agree with bigneil on this. This forum is centered around being the best man you can be which mesns having a functional sex/relationship life as well.
Relations play a huge factor in life. Not just personal but friendly ones as well.
I'm currently going down the "player life" and it isn't as great as it seems. I used to bed a new girl every month but I slowed it down quite a bit because of the drawbacks. I consider hook ups low value and a destructive habit for me at this point.
It's easy to bed a woman but to have her head over heels for you? That's a challenge for some of us.
"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"
Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."
You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.
She's been waiting forty minutes.
Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.
KingofPuss
Master Don Juan
Some girls are too shy to say it first. This happened with one of my exes. She would drop the "I like you soooooo much" all the time, especially while drinking. We ended up having a great relationship, for the most part, and she's the only girl I think I have ever loved.
And guess what?! I said it first, while we were both drunk. Didn't change a thing. I think some dudes on here are so freaking anal about all these perceived "rules". Do what works for your situation. Most girls are very similar to what they do and do not like, but some are wired differently.
You might have a woman who you are not that attracted to who ultimately convinces the one who you are attracted to how great you are.
RangerMIke
Master Don Juan
Don't worry about 'benchmarks', just keep fvcking her and let her figure out what it means to her. If you are too worried about where you stand with a woman you hav lost your masculine frame.
You guys seem to think you can factor whether she loves you out of the equation. Your woman believing she loves you is a lot closer to the most important thing than it is to the least important thing. In particular you want to be her #1 guy. Ask 3 women to describe the men they love the most and then tell me those guys are no better off than any other guys in her life.
"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.