Wow how did he come about getting into this lifestyle?I was 22-23 years old, my dad gave me the book the game when i was working security one day. Read the book, loved it, stumbled upon the community and than this forum, the rest is history
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
Wow how did he come about getting into this lifestyle?I was 22-23 years old, my dad gave me the book the game when i was working security one day. Read the book, loved it, stumbled upon the community and than this forum, the rest is history
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.
There is no blurring between the redpill and blackpill, as far as I've noticed. If you watch Rollo's content you'd conclude that his rather direct observations actually come from a place of humor and sometimes pity for women, and not resentment or hatred of women.I think the line between red and black pill is becoming more tenuous and blurred. It wasn't just those recurrent posters here, it's the higher levels of misogynist toxicity that I've noticed in seduction and men's improvement communities in general.
I define "red pill" (although I did not come up with the term) as understanding the biological mechanics of female behavior -- why they are turned off by neediness, why they are turned on by confidence, why they are attracted to taller men, why they are attracted to pre-selected men, why they nest with subservient men, why they leave betas for alphas, but also why they leave alphas for betas, etc.
Understanding, and accepting with grace, that these mechanics are always in play when dealing with women, is the how one succeeds with women -- learning to use those mechanics to your advantage in dating.
But a lot of 'red pill' circles are angry and resentful at those biological mechanics. Maybe that's considered "black pill" but I see a lot of resentful, bitter and downright misogynist material coming from self-professed red pill guys like Rich Cooper, Rollo Tomassi etc. The Rational Male is so underscored with resentment for women that one could not possibly view RT as a seducer who loves women. He sounds like a beta dude who's been burned by women over and over, and hates them for it. Is that what "taking the red pill" is? I hope not.
Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.
I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.
Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules. Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.
Thanks for your contributions BeE, it’s always a good thing to occasionally get your perspective on some important issues.Advice from the old lady:
I stumbled in here in 2015 at 46 years of age. I was searching the web for information about BPD because my boyfriend’s ex wife had been clinically diagnosed as such and was crazy AF. For a while I lurked quietly and read things, especially the BPD combined thread, which helped me better support my man and know that his situation was not isolated…
Then at some point a smug poster named @Ronaldo7 had a thread so over the top I had to chime in, so I joined. I’ve been around ever since. I’m here to give perspective, offer a different view, show the ladies’ playbook and rationale & support the development of solid masculine men. The world needs more real men out there. So I try and encourage & facilitate that in my own small way.
The forum seems to cycle to a degree regarding quality of content. There have always been quality posters, there have always been the hopelessly lost, there have been the occasional female around…most of the best posters eventually move on to other life endeavors, some folks get banned, and some periodically pop back in.
The search function is a great resource, especially for the casual lurkers or the newbies. There is great content from years past at the entry of a query, over and above the DJ Bible & Book of Pook.
There are cool men who hang out here. Quality guys giving their time & perspective from all over the world.
It’s pretty dam cool.
Cheers
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
Don’t know how you get that. I enter sosuave forum or single word sosuave and it pops up immediately …Also, it has been basically delisted by Google.
Yes, I understand and found this forum in a similar manner. Something to consider though, a search term like ‘daddy issues’ could well be returning far more results than it did 8 years ago. Media expansion plus more issue attention…But if you search for a topic that is widely discussed here, the site never shows up. I found this website by describing certain actions that my BPD ex-girlfriend was doing
damn young man2021, 18 years old. Everything has changed, I notice the patterns more easily, and it's time for me to learn from people's experiences and be better, as well as share this wisdom among my male peers.
he gave you the book?I was 22-23 years old, my dad gave me the book the game when i was working security one day. Read the book, loved it, stumbled upon the community and than this forum, the rest is history
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
Yes, he gave me the book while i was doing security work one night, read the whole book that night, like said, the rest is history. This was in 2009he gave you the book?
Forum: 2014 (24 years old)I was 22, I joined the same year I discovered the forum, 2013. I found this forum looking for answers about my lack of success with women and to overcome anxiety. A lot has changed since then. I eradicated my anxiety, worked through a bunch of other issues, started getting women and having sex again. In 2015 I started a LTR, in 2019 we got married and last year we got a son. My life is great.
When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.
Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.
Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.
The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.