She says the movie looks dumb; you suddenly agree. She tests you with a little attitude; you apologize for nothing.
You think you're being easy to get along with. She reads something else entirely: a man with no edges. Nothing to hold on to. No friction, no tension, no reason to wonder what he really thinks.
The "22 Rules" taught me to push back — playfully, calmly, without needing her approval. Strange things happened after that.
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
True, it applies less in cold approaches. That's why so much pickup material focuses on trying to display (or fake) that you are a high value male.I don't think value applies in every situation. Example: Let's say the star QB of a high school team approached a random girl in the mall. The girl he approached doesn't know he's a QB. That doesn't mean he doesn't have value, it means it's just not relevant to that situation.
Anybody going to answer this? It was the whole point of the thread.Maxtro said:And how do you get to be in the spotlight? What can an average guy do?
Maxtro said:Anybody going to answer this? It was the whole point of the thread.
Aside from being an athlete, performer, rich or being really good looking. How does a normal guy get enough value to attract women?
There has to be a way to start from the bottom and work oneself up.
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.
With regards to this discussion, I PMed you with a secretGreatHornedOwl said:Let me just add...
I don't think value applies in every situation. Example: Let's say the star QB of a high school team approached a random girl in the mall. The girl he approached doesn't know he's a QB. That doesn't mean he doesn't have value, it means it's just not relevant to that situation.
Maxtro, listen to what Iceberg said. All of those things you listed raise your value, and they help a lot because of the market value of pu$$y. And Judge nismo agrees.Maxtro said:OK, so the categories for value are.
Looks:
A great body, a big strong guy that makes her feel safe and protected when she's with you.
Money or potential for it:
A good career or potential for a good career (going to medical school for example)
Fame:
Athlete, or some kind of performer
Social:
Be a fun guy that everybody likes and have a lot of friends and be well connected.
So I guess social value is the easiest one to achieve. Of course, if one doesn't know what they are doing, it might as well be impossible.
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
You are not waiting for a miracle are you?Maxtro said:After reading over the replies, value appears to be complicated and very difficult to get unless you know what you are doing. The examples are great but feel unobtainable.
The only thing I have that I'm remotely skilled at are computer and even then it's just playing with them or minor support stuff.
I'm currently in college just trying not to hate it. Around the start of every new semester I have some hope that this semester will be the one where it's different and my life turns around.
For once I'd like to impress a woman. I just don't see it happening any time soon.
Heh, no not a miracle.Plinco said:You are not waiting for a miracle are you?
Look sometimes it just seems easy on the surface. When we see that super buff guy in the streets with women we don't say "Oh he was training 3-5 days a week with a strict diet for several years and is now reaping his rewards."Maxtro said:Heh, no not a miracle.
In this world there are three types of men.
Men who get women without even trying (Super high value)
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.