"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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RosieT said:
But why can't the guy just be my friend I'm not saying I will do anything, is it really so wrong?
Well, it obviously it.

You should forget about this guy.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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I mean type as far as looks.
There are two things here, are you not happy with him because of his looks or because he is not emotionally satisfying you. or you are another women who needs more attention just like others said here.

If you are not happy with his looks and consider your self you can get an another better looking guy...you are never going to be happy with a man!
 

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The trolls are coming out of the woodwork I see

This has got to be the dumbest thing I've ever heard. You get asked out by a guy. You tell him you're taken. He persists, but you turn him down. But now you want to back track and give him you number so you can be 'friends' and nothing more?/

how stupid do you think we as guys are? Give any random guy your number and he is going to assume it's more than just 'friends'.

I assure you that when you give him your number he is gonna be hitting that ass by the end of the week. Then you two will be really close friends.

You don't want to be friends with this guy. You like him and want him. Just be real and accept that fact and then act accordingly. But i advise breaking it off with your man first if you really don't trust him enough to have the need for a back up plan
 

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RosieT said:
Hey guys I'm new. I'm a female and I came across this forum cause I was searching google w/ a question I had. So maybe you can help me out. I go to the gym and this guy asked me out. I have a bf, I told him that, but he said we can be friends...etc, the usual. So since then, like last week, I saw him a few times and we said hi. But, I think I wanna give him my number now not to pursue anything just to kinda have it. So number 1, is this wrong? And number 2 what should I say since I basically turned him down, not mean...I said we can be gym friends :D .
^^^translation "im bored with my man i think the gym guy is cute and i want him to chase me and i might just F him eventually"
 

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DonGorgon said:
^^^translation "im bored with my man i think the gym guy is cute and i want him to chase me and i might just F him eventually"
I think you are absolutely right :rockon:
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Well, he can assume what he wants doesn't mean it will happen.

DonGorgon said:
^^^translation "im bored with my man i think the gym guy is cute and i want him to chase me and i might just F him eventually"

That is true, but like I said doesn't mean I would cheat. I've been friends with guys who wanna f*** me or date me or whatever and I knew it and they made it clear, but we just stayed friends and nothing ever happened cause I choose for it not to.

And everyones making this seem so appalling, I guess you guys must chop up girls who do cheat and keep em in the freezer. I'm sure 90% have done way worse, but thats just the guy/ girl double standard as usual.

But, again, this isn't my question. My question is- if a girl did this to you what would you think or do?
 

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RosieT said:
Well, he can assume what he wants doesn't mean it will happen.

That is true, but like I said doesn't mean I would cheat. I've been friends with guys who wanna f*** me or date me or whatever and I knew it and they made it clear, but we just stayed friends and nothing ever happened cause I choose for it not to.

And everyones making this seem so appalling, I guess you guys must chop up girls who do cheat and keep em in the freezer. I'm sure 90% have done way worse, but thats just the guy/ girl double standard as usual.

But, again, this isn't my question. My question is- if a girl did this to you what would you think or do?
She's a ***** and she only wants to use me for my attention and money, that's what I'd think.
 

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RosieT said:
But, again, this isn't my question. My question is- if a girl did this to you what would you think or do?
I would say "I don't want your ****ing number".
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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RosieT said:
Well, he can assume what he wants doesn't mean it will happen.

That is true, but like I said doesn't mean I would cheat. I've been friends with guys who wanna f*** me or date me or whatever and I knew it and they made it clear, but we just stayed friends and nothing ever happened cause I choose for it not to.

And everyones making this seem so appalling, I guess you guys must chop up girls who do cheat and keep em in the freezer. I'm sure 90% have done way worse, but thats just the guy/ girl double standard as usual.

But, again, this isn't my question. My question is- if a girl did this to you what would you think or do?
Observe, gentlemen. No concept of simple right and wrong, no concept of personal integrity, character, or accountability. No concept of avoiding potentially dangerous situations (because her desire is to flirt with those situations in order to see (feel) if anything "just happens").

Meet modern-day woman, the woman that we are forced to deal with today. She will do whatever she "feels" at the moment, and reverse-rationalize later. This AW illustrates the concept perfectly, yes?
 
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Atom Smasher said:
Observe, gentlemen. No concept of simple right and wrong, no concept of personal integrity, character, or accountability. No concept of avoiding potentially dangerous situations (because her desire is to flirt with those situations in order to see (feel) if anything "just happens").

Meet modern-day woman, the woman that we are forced to deal with today. She will do whatever she "feels" at the moment, and reverse-rationalize later. This AT illustrates the concept perfectly, yes?
That is so true, I can recall infinitely many times when a woman has said, I'll do what I "feel" like doing.
 

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RosieT said:
Well, he can assume what he wants doesn't mean it will happen.




That is true, but like I said doesn't mean I would cheat. I've been friends with guys who wanna f*** me or date me or whatever and I knew it and they made it clear, but we just stayed friends and nothing ever happened cause I choose for it not to.

And everyones making this seem so appalling, I guess you guys must chop up girls who do cheat and keep em in the freezer. I'm sure 90% have done way worse, but thats just the guy/ girl double standard as usual.

But, again, this isn't my question. My question is- if a girl did this to you what would you think or do?
I would take the number, and trash it. Anyone who is willing to cheat in a relationship will do the same to me someday.

Do not fall into this trap guys, it just shows how manipulative women are these days.
 

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I will kindly disagree with you guys on this one... Of course girls will cheat on you if you don't provide enough. What do you expect? What's the big deal? It doesn't mean they don't like or care for you. It just means you aren't good enough. SOME "modern day" girls are messed up. But the others we got to put in their place. I am a stubborn guy, I will try a thousand times and only then I am willing to quit. Not unlike some guys that give up because the girl is willing to dump a guy who isn't capable of satisfying her. She won't do the same for you if you got "it". Unless I am missing something, that is what it seems like to me.
 

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Chances are that if you're already looking at someone to cheer you up in case your bf breaks up with you (aka rebound), you will eventually break up with him over something one way or another so why not just minimize the time investment and break up with him now? You know, instead of innocently claiming that you just wanna be friends with this guy, hang out with him one day then let your emotions get the best of you and you end up cheating. It's obvious you don't really care too much about your boyfriend because you don't respect him enough to realize that having a rebound in place already means that the relationship is going to fail, regardless. I bet if you cheat on your boyfriend you won't even feel bad because "he wasn't keeping you happy" so that justifies cheating on him somehow...just be civil and decent and break up with the man before you go **** someone else, at least. Jeez, whatever happened to common courtesy...what are people teaching their children nowadays?

Then again, I'm preaching to someone who doesn't really care about my logic and just wants to find the one guy on So Suave who agrees with her so she can go justify her actions. Also, she's probably not going to answer my direct question with a direct answer but will instead deflect it and provide some vague indirect answer or ignore me completely.
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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RosieT said:
I mean type as far as looks.

Well I mean I'm not totally satisfied because he's very closed emotionally, he's gotten much better but still some type of wall.

But why can't the guy just be my friend I'm not saying I will do anything, is it really so wrong?
You'll do something. ;)
 

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"Well I mean I'm not totally satisfied because he's very closed emotionally, he's gotten much better but still some type of wall."

Look, she's already rationalizing excuses to dump her boyfriend.
 

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Groovy said:
I will kindly disagree with you guys on this one... Of course girls will cheat on you if you don't provide enough. What do you expect? What's the big deal? It doesn't mean they don't like or care for you. It just means you aren't good enough. SOME "modern day" girls are messed up. But the others we got to put in their place. I am a stubborn guy, I will try a thousand times and only then I am willing to quit. Not unlike some guys that give up because the girl is willing to dump a guy who isn't capable of satisfying her. She won't do the same for you if you got "it". Unless I am missing something, that is what it seems like to me.

If she was already intending to dump her boyfriend she wouldn't have rejected the guy by saying 'I have a boyfriend.' Now she's so hard up for that guy. It seems like backwards rationalization to me, 'Hmm, this guy looks cool and I want to probably F him eventually, I must think of excuses to dump my BF.'

Sure the boyfriend is not good enough, but at least he deserves the decency to be broken up wih before she sleeps with the other day. Sleeping with others in a LTR where rules are laid down = cheating. No person, guy or girl, deserves to be screwed over like that.
 
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