Her Going Feminine

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You're redefining words to suit your worldview. Whoring is far more naturally feminine than otherwise. It takes a tremendous amount of social pressure to discourage that behavior, and even then it's prevalent.

But as far as the original argument: Masculinity by itself =/= feminine response. On an island, ya. If you were the last of a handful of options, girls would be submissive and feminine and whatever else you wanted in order to survive. You could also make the argument that you shouldn't invest in girls who aren't submissive, and I'd agree. And you could make the argument that women cannot be submissive in the absence of a dominant man, and I'd agree.

But as far as real world, practical advice, in America in 2019, you're not gonna get a lot of mileage out of this. And OP knows it doesn't hold up, or else he would come back with an actual argument instead of getting butthurt and falling back on ad-hominem (which are hilarious btw).

But as far as meeting girls, having the more naturally submissive one submit to you, and salvaging the ones that can be salvaged, just being naturally masculine isn't enough to get on the radar. There's too much competing emotional stimuli, which is why you have to be able to make an emotional impact and convey a lot of value, neither of which are natural behaviors, but neither is carrying around cellphones or driving cars or wearing fitted clothes.

And I encourage men to get in touch with their dominant, masculine, ambitious side as much as anybody. For YOURSELF and for YOUR PIECE OF MIND. But as far as attraction, it's not much use until after you've fvcked her. So encouraging guys who might otherwise be happy with their lives outside of lacking sexual options to spend a lot of time investing in something they may or may not want or fixing all this stuff that may or may not be broken, when all that stuff may or may not solve their initial problem, is pretty misguided.

But we'll compare notes in 10 years ;)
Dude, you have never seen a vagina before bud. You got a theory. Cucked!

 
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masculine is a single point of light. Not a heard mentality driven impetus.

Masculine is the definition of creativity. Survival. It can survive independently. Unlike the feminine. The masculine optimizes survival for all. Other men, women, children etc. women are drawn to masculine.

You working on being masculine has nothing to do with women. Masculine does not live in or acknowledge the feminine imperative. You are applying it incorrectly.
You can apply this to electrical engineering. Current is a potentiality. It has the potential to flow but it doesn’t mean that it necessarily is flowing.

Man, in a masculine state, is a potentiality. He exists weather anything else exists or is real or not.
As you already established, there's no point in discussing with a giy whp has a theory but never seen a vagina before lulz!

It makes doing the robbery far too easy. He argued against dudes having options.

I blame low testosterone and bbc cuck porn.
 

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masculine is a single point of light. Not a heard mentality driven impetus.

Masculine is the definition of creativity. Survival. It can survive independently. Unlike the feminine. The masculine optimizes survival for all. Other men, women, children etc. women are drawn to masculine.
So you define Masculine as being creative, innovative, providential, and able to survive independently. Am I understanding you correctly?
 

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As you already established, there's no point in discussing with a giy whp has a theory but never seen a vagina before lulz!
No point in discussing? Way to follow your leader without questioning anything. If your argument is sound, make it or go home. You're calling a man a "cuck" because he has the balls to make a counterpoint, while you bend over for your bull. This is a forum, bro, if you can't handle a manly discussion then Jizzabel is that way ---->.

@Epic Days , interesting insights. @fastlife made good points too, and he's one of the smarter posters around here IMO. You're a smart guy too...reasonable men can disagree. I know you said you weren't looking for an argument but it's a discussion forum, that's my $.02.

Anyway I don't have more to add so I'll give you the last word and peace out.
 

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So you define Masculine as being creative, innovative, providential, and able to survive independently. Am I understanding you correctly?
You can if you want to word it that way. There’s leadership the more masculine a man is. It’s not something he sets out to be. It’s a natural progression of individuality.
In actuality it’s a state of being that he doesn’t really think about. A culmination of his individual traits.
 
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Unless you're speaking in purely abstract, philosophical terms, things like "masculinity" is pretty useless unless you can measure it, cultivate it and chart your progress.

otherwise it's just forum chest beating, and guys who allude to "know" what this strange term is are the only ones who possess it.

So, to all the guys who profess to know what "masculinity" is, how EXACTLY, would you recommend one go about strengthening it?

What specific techniques would you recommend to build it?

How would you recommend one measure their progress?

If some guy were to offer you $1,000,000 to be their masculinity coach, what exercises would you recommend, and how would the client know he was getting his money's worth?
 

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So you define Masculine as being creative, innovative, providential, and able to survive independently. Am I understanding you correctly?
Masculinity comes in different shapes and forms as it progresses forward in time but it's essence or basic form always remains the same.

If we were to turn back the clock and look back in time to ur own caveman ancestors, they were always preoccupied with running faster, throwing spears better, overcoming harsh conditions, being smarter then other predators of their time, creating fires, stone weaponry, brave, fearless, expanding their range by being adventurous, etc.

So it's just basically faster, better, smarter, fearless, creativeness, adventurous, bravery, skillful, etc.

In the modern context, if a young boy is being imbued with those simple basic traits I mentioned above, would he not likely be great once he achieved adulthood ?

And would he not be highly sought after by women for he is way above par then most men ?

Edit : @taiyuu_otoko did I sufficiently address ur post?

If not, I'd be more then happy to explain it further.
 

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Oh yeah, I'm curious, if ur ancestors were so basic by today's standards how is it that many of you here, right now posting in this very thread don't even have the basics?

Now ain't that shameful...
 

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Unless you're speaking in purely abstract, philosophical terms, things like "masculinity" is pretty useless unless you can measure it, cultivate it and chart your progress.

otherwise it's just forum chest beating, and guys who allude to "know" what this strange term is are the only ones who possess it.

So, to all the guys who profess to know what "masculinity" is, how EXACTLY, would you recommend one go about strengthening it?

What specific techniques would you recommend to build it?

How would you recommend one measure their progress?

If some guy were to offer you $1,000,000 to be their masculinity coach, what exercises would you recommend, and how would the client know he was getting his money's worth?
Some good things in this thread, but I want to hit on this sort of thing a little more.

I am often consumed by my thoughts regarding why any of this stuff even matters. Therefore I am always trying to come up with 'masculine' activities and goals myself, in some attempt to be self-aware. All I'm finding is that there is making money and hobbies. Pretty much all futile to me.

But I'm pretty cynical in general. And let me be clear....cynicism and negativity are NOT good qualities. I have to fight against them daily.
 

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I’m unfortunately saddened by what we see as masculine which is broadly consistent with how I view it, and how life plays out in reality.

To steal some points from above:

Faster, better, smarter....

I’m not sure this plays out. A lot of the smarter men aren’t considered masculine. In fact, male social dynamics often target the most intelligent. Poor quality men round up on the most proficient.

Fearlessness

He who steps out of the social groupthink is often ostracised. He who speaks truth, when contrary to the group, is cast out. He who challenges orthodoxy is punished. I don’t think women dig the outspoken man. They dig the social chameleon.

Adventurous

Possibly yes. Those who take risks are regarded as more masculine.

Bravery

Again, not always. Groups trample the brave. The man who stands out of line and challenges.

Skillfull

There are millions of skilful men who are not masculine.

Social charm, manipulation of others and aggression are the main traits of what women consider masculine men. Other than the obvious physical traits, their literature is packed full of sociapathic men being sociapathic.

I think the truth is going to hurt a lot of men, all the qualities we see as masculine aren’t the ones valued by women.

They don’t respect the man with the skills, the fastest man, the strongest. The respect the manipulator and social climber who gets the others to do his work for him.
 
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I've never spoken on here how I attained manhood which is exactly what masculinity is.

Manhood is not the coming of age in physical years or in other words being 21 years old.

In my case manhood or masculinity was molded by a group of men into a group of boys within a tribe.

In other words, a man can only be considered a man when acknowledged by men of stature who has already attained it.

The coming of age or initiation is complete when I was branded with 2 sets of tattoos on both shoulders, this is after being thought to be in harmony within the rainforest, skills on hunting, weapons training, spiritual training, warfare training, etc.

I was 10 when I was acknowledged as a man by my mentors.

From there it was expected that I wander the jungle away from my tribe alone to other tribes or societies to learn and bring back knowledge.

Which is why I've travelled the world, working in various countries, its part of my culture, my upbringing.

And I do very well in pubs or in any country I'm in.

Masculinity is being in harmony in one's manhood.
Yet you're still a child. LOL. Go back to your mentors and bring them to me.
 

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Is this ur attempt at play acting a dominant role?

I bet it took you a couple of hours or even a full day practising that in front of ur full scale mirror.
Implicit in this is that:

1) You are the arbiter of who is and who is not dominant. Though, truly dominant men are not pounding their chest on the Internet with 5000+ posts in less than a year trying to prove they are LOL. Rather they are handling their business in real life and do not speak incessantly about their or others dominance or lack thereof;

2) To not be dominant is a lesser of. And so your whole Expressive thread naming various posters was intended to demean them. And this is coming from a dominant being who is grounded in who he is? LOL

The the deeper we go into the rabbit hole, the funnier you become.
 

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Implicit in this is that:

1) You are the arbiter of who is and who is not dominant. Though, truly dominant men are not pounding their chest on the Internet with 5000+ posts in less than a year trying to prove they are LOL. Rather they are handling their business in real life and do not speak incessantly about their or others dominance or lack thereof;

2) To not be dominant is a lesser of. And so your whole Expressive thread naming various posters was intended to demean them. And this is coming from a dominant being who is grounded in who he is? LOL

The the deeper we go into the rabbit hole, the funnier you become.
You sound hurt.

Was Spaz the bad boy who did it?
 
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You can if you want to word it that way. There’s leadership the more masculine a man is. It’s not something he sets out to be. It’s a natural progression of individuality.
In actuality it’s a state of being that he doesn’t really think about. A culmination of his individual traits.
Something definite, that's progress. Leadership is something guys can go out and practice and observe the effects of. Still not quite accurate though--since leaders of men can still be b1tches when it comes to women. But social dominance is a trait that I can get behind. It holds up.

So, putting things together from your posts ITT, your definition masculinity includes:
  • Social dominance
  • Individuality/Ability to stand up to social pressure
  • Unreactiveness
  • Provisioning Potential--irrelevant for attraction, but useful if you want to do the family thing or for your own happiness
Notice that all of these traits are tangible behaviors that guys can go out and practice. Masculinity isn't some woo woo, mysticism that you have to learn from a tribe in the jungle. If learning these things required tremendous pain on your end (and some of them did for me), then it's just because we didn't learn them efficiently, since no one bothered teaching them to you. It doesn't have to be.

Next time a guy looks to you for guidance, try telling them to practice one of these behaviors or work on building the mindset behind them and you may actually help them. But this whole, "You're close," "You don't get it," "I can't define it," abstract stuff is bullsh1t. No matter how much your buddies, who are equally vague, circle jerk you. Feel free to label me with some HR personality assessment that's somewhere between the zodiac and the Meyers Brigg if that makes you feel better.

And I'll add to our definition of masculinity: The ability to get what you want. That includes sex for most guys. So let's not shame guys for taking definite, measurable steps to get that. And that doesn't have to involve investing years in a job he hates or going on a hero's journey or building some sick lifestyle. If you can't give him that type of advice, stand back and let people who can help him out.
 

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Well that was interesting. Lol

I guess @Spaz ’s previous comments on online dating and the swiping apps and the guys who use them had a bite to it.
 
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