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The only true worth of a woman to you is her ability to go feminine with you. This is an auto-response to you being masculine. As it’s an auto-response, she has no control over it. She just changes state to match yours. Masculine always attracts and/or causes a switch to feminine in the woman. We can get into value and status and all of that but it’s not going to help you understand this.

It can happen almost instantly or be a slower but constant switch. Therefore, it is critical to remove your feminine programming from your mind and its destructive conditioning by your mother, other women, teachers and our relentless societal engineering. Until you get out of the Feminine Imperative, you are fully at risk.

A woman walks around in a socially supported and created, quasi masculine state. This is all an illusion. It’s not real. Every fiber in her wants to be feminine but she has molded to the social standard. It has always been this way. The Feminine Imperative has always existed. It’s a procreation strategy developed over millions of years. She is completely solipsistic in her reality. Only a masculine man, completely free of the engineering can snap her state to feminine. Her feminine is who she really is. Not the battle ax she shows the world.

Everything else is made up to deceive the feminine indoctrinated man. At one time this was nothing more than poor genetics from the viewpoint of the genome. Thus, that man was excluded from procreation. But now, it is engineered by social structure.

That feminist, communistic and socialistic degenerate battle ax can and will go feminine in the face of masculine. But you will have trouble if you are in the Imperative. Feminine is drawn to masculine. Thus, the man is the selector. She must change her state to feminine by being in the presence of masculine.

How you think and what you are programmed to think, is a lie. This causes her to keep her legs closed to you because you are not making her go feminine. All pick-up is, is a methodology to somehow make her feminine switch turn on. Thus, it will always only be a marginal tool of use. You can be a great pick-up man and still be stressed by the social structure and women. Always striving for that next level of pick-up. When all you have to do is step out of the Feminine Imperative and realize that you were never meant to be there in the first place. Need proof? Every single one of your ancestors procreated and you are here. That’s no accident.

Esther Vilar on..."Your mother":

"She takes care that a man is trained for a particular purpose: he must work and put the fruits of his labor at her disposal. Woman has had this aim in view throughout the upbringing of her child and she engenders in him a series of conditioned reflexes which cause him to produce everything to satisfy her material needs.
She does this by manipulating him from his first year of life. Consequently, by this time his education is complete, man will judge his own value by woman's estimation of his usefulness. He will be happy only when he has won her praise and produced something of value to her."
 
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With every post from @Epic Days and @Spaz, if one pays attention, is a view into the real world, the natural order. I’ve found that the best way through it is to simply stop fighting it. Just accept the world for what it is. Stop creating a fantasy land with rainbows and butterflies flapping around in a flower pasture and open your eyes.

I bring this up because masculine man is not what society has painted, this flip floppy b!tch that most men have been conditioned to be. The true definition and nature of male was hidden by society and thousands of years of beating masculinity out of our gender, to the point where in western society it isn’t even passed down from father to son. As of late I’ve put a lot of thought into the illusion of the world. And it is an illusion. Looking out into the world, given what I know now, I find it a travesty that men have allowed themselves to be relegated to a mediocre slave existence, and believe that it’s the best way to live his life.
 

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I find it a travesty that men have allowed themselves to be relegated to a mediocre slave existence, and believe that it’s the best way to live his life.
This. And the illusion that a man thinks it’s who he is.
 
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On one hand, 100% in agreement.

On the other, think it's extremely naive to think that we don't have to operate within the limitations of the overarching social structure and the consequences thereof.

No matter how dominant or masculine you are, you're up against instant validation/distraction via smart phones, the media telling her how sh1tty men are, her friends telling her what a d1ck you are (even if they would fvck you if given half the chance). You're up against past relationships that have left her emotionally damaged. You're up against a lifetime without ever having met a masculine authority figure.

Agree that every girl will be feminine as long as she's in your sphere of influence (excepting the most far gone). Assuming you can break through the distractions at her fingertips and approach her in the first place (most guys can't). The younger and hotter she is, the less time your influence lasts. Take the most masculine badazz guy 200 years ago and put him in a bar in 2019 and see how far his masculinity gets him ;)
 

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And women who are in the feminine state are a million times happier. So the social conditioning has damaged both genders. Feminists and/or women who have power in relationships are utterly miserable and uncentered. But what says it all is the irony that 50 Shades Of Grey became the world's best selling book when feminism reached the height of its power

Great post btw
 
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So the social conditioning has damaged both genders.
Oh, without a doubt. The social structure has definitely damaged our women. Some are irreparably damaged. It could be considered a wasted life.
 

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Take the most masculine badazz guy 200 years ago and put him in a bar in 2019 and see how far his masculinity gets him ;)
I've never spoken on here how I attained manhood which is exactly what masculinity is.

Manhood is not the coming of age in physical years or in other words being 21 years old.

In my case manhood or masculinity was molded by a group of men into a group of boys within a tribe.

In other words, a man can only be considered a man when acknowledged by men of stature who has already attained it.

The coming of age or initiation is complete when I was branded with 2 sets of tattoos on both shoulders, this is after being thought to be in harmony within the rainforest, skills on hunting, weapons training, spiritual training, warfare training, etc.

I was 10 when I was acknowledged as a man by my mentors.

From there it was expected that I wander the jungle away from my tribe alone to other tribes or societies to learn and bring back knowledge.

Which is why I've travelled the world, working in various countries, its part of my culture, my upbringing.

And I do very well in pubs or in any country I'm in.

Masculinity is being in harmony in one's manhood.
 

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On one hand, 100% in agreement.

On the other, think it's extremely naive to think that we don't have to operate within the limitations of the overarching social structure and the consequences thereof.

No matter how dominant or masculine you are, you're up against instant validation/distraction via smart phones, the media telling her how sh1tty men are, her friends telling her what a d1ck you are (even if they would fvck you if given half the chance). You're up against past relationships that have left her emotionally damaged. You're up against a lifetime without ever having met a masculine authority figure.

Agree that every girl will be feminine as long as she's in your sphere of influence (excepting the most far gone). Assuming you can break through the distractions at her fingertips and approach her in the first place (most guys can't). The younger and hotter she is, the less time your influence lasts. Take the most masculine badazz guy 200 years ago and put him in a bar in 2019 and see how far his masculinity gets him ;)
This is really obtuse and completely in the imperative as a subject.
Being masculine has absolutely nothing to do with a woman. What she thinks or what she does or what society she has molded to has nothing to do with standing outside the social construct.
 

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This is really obtuse and completely in the imperative as a subject.
Being masculine has absolutely nothing to do with a woman. What she thinks or what she does or what society she has molded to has nothing to do with standing outside the social construct.
The first part of my argument is that you can be as masculine as you want--but that, in and of itself, doesn't equate to sexual success. Masculine traits can be helpful in that regard, and essential for living a fulfilling life. But you're dealing with a bunch of social forces & competing stimuli that masculinity, in any fundamental sense, wasn't designed to navigate.

It's also how you get guys spending hours in the gym, going out trying to act tough, being aggressive and pseudo-dominant, doing absolutely fvck all.

The second part of my argument is that women succumb to whatever frame's the strongest in that moment. A girl going to art school, becoming a feminist, chopping off all her hair is acting every bit as much in her nature as the 50s housewife. She's just going along with the strongest frame. Even if you live outside of the FI, however many hours of the day she's not with you, she's living there.

None of this stuff happens in a vacuum. You're telling guys to only focus on a piece of the puzzle--by far the most important (yourself), but you have to be aware of what you're up against.
 

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The first part of my argument is that you can be as masculine as you want--but that, in and of itself, doesn't equate to sexual success. Masculine traits can be helpful in that regard, and essential for living a fulfilling life. But you're dealing with a bunch of social forces & competing stimuli that masculinity, in any fundamental sense, wasn't designed to navigate.

It's also how you get guys spending hours in the gym, going out trying to act tough, being aggressive and pseudo-dominant, doing absolutely fvck all.

The second part of my argument is that women succumb to whatever frame's the strongest in that moment. A girl going to art school, becoming a feminist, chopping off all her hair is acting every bit as much in her nature as the 50s housewife. She's just going along with the strongest frame. Even if you live outside of the FI, however many hours of the day she's not with you, she's living there.

None of this stuff happens in a vacuum. You're telling guys to only focus on a piece of the puzzle--by far the most important (yourself), but you have to be aware of what you're up against.
You think I was born in a vacuum or this happens in a vacuum? Lol. Or rather implying that that’s what I think?
You think this is about getting laid? Oh for crying out loud.
Absolutely I’m telling guys exactly what my words said. Do you think they are stupid? You think men don’t know what their up against?
If you don’t like it, just say, I don’t like it and it doesn’t fit me. Don’t bring other guys into it when all that is about you. I wasn’t asking for or seeking agreement.
I understand perfectly what you are saying. Don’t think I don’t. I’m getting much better at understanding passive men.
 
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You think I was born in a vacuum or this happens in a vacuum? Lol. Or rather implying that that’s what I think?
You think this is about getting laid? Oh for crying out loud.
Absolutely I’m telling guys exactly what my words said. Do you think they are stupid? You think men don’t know what their up against?
If you don’t like it, just say, I don’t like it and it doesn’t fit me. Don’t bring other guys into it when all that is about you. I wasn’t asking for or seeking agreement.
I understand perfectly what you are saying. Don’t think I don’t. I’m getting much better at understanding passive men.
Bro, all I have to go by is words on a page. I don't pretend to know what you're thinking. And it's nothing personal. I've disagreed with tons of members here who's stuff is great--and there's a lot of value here, too. But if something doesn't hold up, it doesn't hold up. And sometimes it does and, through the process of discussion, the point is made more clearly.

The only true worth of a woman to you is her ability to go feminine with you. This is an auto-response to you being masculine. As it’s an auto-response, she has no control over it. She just changes state to match yours. Masculine always attracts and/or causes a switch to feminine in the woman. We can get into value and status and all of that but it’s not going to help you understand this.
But this doesn't hold up.

If just being a man was all it took, men, in general, would be a lot better at this stuff. But, from what I gathered from what you wrote--and feel free to correct me or elaborate--your argument here is, "Just be masculine and girls will come to you/fall in line/act right." That doesn't hold up consistently and predictably. Masculine energy can be applied to sh1t that doesn't work. There are plenty of great men who are doing all types of great stuff, that still can't get girls consistently and predictably. There are men who've built empires that still don't have their sh1t straight with women.

If you think my argument doesn't hold up, or that I'm misconstruing what you wrote, feel free to show me where I'm wrong. But as far as this back and forth, I've said my piece.
 

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If just being a man was all it took, men, in general, would be a lot better at this stuff. But, from what I gathered from what you wrote--and feel free to correct me or elaborate--your argument here is, "Just be masculine and girls will come to you/fall in line/act right." That doesn't hold up consistently and predictably. Masculine energy can be applied to sh1t that doesn't work. There are plenty of great men who are doing all types of great stuff, that still can't get girls consistently and predictably. There are men who've built empires that still don't have their sh1t straight with women.
This would be under the assumption that those guys are actually masculine. Being a genius businessman, artist, whatever his pursuits, does not by default make him masculine.

I knew guys in the Marines that were straight up beasts in combat, badass warfighters, but absolute passives when it came to their wife or girlfriends. I’ve also known corporate magnates that know how to run a business like the back of their hand, but can’t stand up to their wife on anything. @Epic Days data still stands. Being skilled or logically intelligent, though a trait unique to men, is not indicative of masculinity. You can be d@mn good at what you do, but you can still, at the same time, be a giant b!tch when it comes to women.
 

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With every post from @Epic Days and @Spaz, if one pays attention, is a view into the real world, the natural order. I’ve found that the best way through it is to simply stop fighting it. Just accept the world for what it is. Stop creating a fantasy land with rainbows and butterflies flapping around in a flower pasture and open your eyes.

I bring this up because masculine man is not what society has painted, this flip floppy b!tch that most men have been conditioned to be. The true definition and nature of male was hidden by society and thousands of years of beating masculinity out of our gender, to the point where in western society it isn’t even passed down from father to son. As of late I’ve put a lot of thought into the illusion of the world. And it is an illusion. Looking out into the world, given what I know now, I find it a travesty that men have allowed themselves to be relegated to a mediocre slave existence, and believe that it’s the best way to live his life.
Its funny. Trad cucks want the old contract. Little did they know, its a prison and its male sacrifice. I have heard do called religious women go on about the virtue of the feminine yet, she cucked and divorced her hubby. She is gone dyke and excused her stupidity with female logic.

The old social order was good for children. Its not coming back.
 

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Bro, all I have to go by is words on a page. I don't pretend to know what you're thinking. And it's nothing personal. I've disagreed with tons of members here who's stuff is great--and there's a lot of value here, too. But if something doesn't hold up, it doesn't hold up. And sometimes it does and, through the process of discussion, the point is made more clearly.



But this doesn't hold up.

If just being a man was all it took, men, in general, would be a lot better at this stuff. But, from what I gathered from what you wrote--and feel free to correct me or elaborate--your argument here is, "Just be masculine and girls will come to you/fall in line/act right." That doesn't hold up consistently and predictably. Masculine energy can be applied to sh1t that doesn't work. There are plenty of great men who are doing all types of great stuff, that still can't get girls consistently and predictably. There are men who've built empires that still don't have their sh1t straight with women.

If you think my argument doesn't hold up, or that I'm misconstruing what you wrote, feel free to show me where I'm wrong. But as far as this back and forth, I've said my piece.
You're missing his point. He didn't argue having a XY chromosome means women fall from the sky and give up the butt lololol.

He said, masculinity is polarising to the feminine. He is correct. The problem being, most men aren't masculine and very few women are feminine. Whoring on a cam or over ig is still whoring. It's not feminine. Covering a beater with bumper stickers is what you got for your average thot. Arm tattoos and bulking before 23.

I heard a Coach Red Pill make a point of the importance of long hair in women. It signifies healthy and likely fertile. Women color her hair and they falsify everything to mask being post or pre wall. That said, women should be met with skepticism at every turn. Not swear away current and future earnings plus sexual access.

Retards will retard
 

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You're missing his point. He didn't argue having a XY chromosome means women fall from the sky and give up the butt lololol.
You’re wasting you time brother. Lol
Anything that doesn’t fit his effeminate, passive paradigm he glosses over. He thinks he’s an intellectual. Lol
 
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Beautifully said !

I see so many guys trying to make compromise and to make their woman happy by sacrificing themselves.... Whereas, as you said, if she is in a masculine ax rage, she needs a stronger man to calm her down and bring out her feminine side, not the puppy who will keep apologizing and buy flowers...

I've also seen a night club owner once, the most spartan masculine man on earth, all the girlfriends he had were scary, loud and agressive. But when he was there, they were complying, because he was too tough for them.
The more masculine a woman is, the more masculine a man needs to be to bring out her feminine side. Otherwise she will just keep on walking over him.
And every woman indeed have that feminine side hidden beneath, they just need a strong enough man to bring it out.
 

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You’re wasting you time brother. Lol
Anything that doesn’t fit his effeminate, passive paradigm he glosses over. He thinks he’s an intellectual. Lol
Its rather ironic. The path a man should take is the Hero's Journey and one in which he proceeds from a place of "fill my cup," as in, i want to learn. Its ironic basically because a man must still walk the walk. Be both student and teacher. Knowing what role he's playing in a given moment is key.

Ironically enough, its this path that burns men with women as, any form of ambiguity is matched with skepticism. Hence why i lead she follows or next. The experience is man's best teacher.
 

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You're missing his point. He didn't argue having a XY chromosome means women fall from the sky and give up the butt lololol.

He said, masculinity is polarising to the feminine. He is correct. The problem being, most men aren't masculine and very few women are feminine. Whoring on a cam or over ig is still whoring. It's not feminine. Covering a beater with bumper stickers is what you got for your average thot. Arm tattoos and bulking before 23.

I heard a Coach Red Pill make a point of the importance of long hair in women. It signifies healthy and likely fertile. Women color her hair and they falsify everything to mask being post or pre wall. That said, women should be met with skepticism at every turn. Not swear away current and future earnings plus sexual access.

Retards will retard
You're redefining words to suit your worldview. Whoring is far more naturally feminine than otherwise. It takes a tremendous amount of social pressure to discourage that behavior, and even then it's prevalent.

But as far as the original argument: Masculinity by itself =/= feminine response. On an island, ya. If you were the last of a handful of options, girls would be submissive and feminine and whatever else you wanted in order to survive. You could also make the argument that you shouldn't invest in girls who aren't submissive, and I'd agree. And you could make the argument that women cannot be submissive in the absence of a dominant man, and I'd agree.

But as far as real world, practical advice, in America in 2019, you're not gonna get a lot of mileage out of this. And OP knows it doesn't hold up, or else he would come back with an actual argument instead of getting butthurt and falling back on ad-hominem (which are hilarious btw).

But as far as meeting girls, having the more naturally submissive one submit to you, and salvaging the ones that can be salvaged, just being naturally masculine isn't enough to get on the radar. There's too much competing emotional stimuli, which is why you have to be able to make an emotional impact and convey a lot of value, neither of which are natural behaviors, but neither is carrying around cellphones or driving cars or wearing fitted clothes.

And I encourage men to get in touch with their dominant, masculine, ambitious side as much as anybody. For YOURSELF and for YOUR PIECE OF MIND. But as far as attraction, it's not much use until after you've fvcked her. So encouraging guys who might otherwise be happy with their lives outside of lacking sexual options to spend a lot of time investing in something they may or may not want or fixing all this stuff that may or may not be broken, when all that stuff may or may not solve their initial problem, is pretty misguided.

But we'll compare notes in 10 years ;)
 

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Masculine always attracts and/or causes a switch to feminine in the woman.

Being masculine has absolutely nothing to do with a woman.

Every single one of your ancestors procreated and you are here. That’s no accident.
Some questions:

If masculinity always attracts women, how can it have nothing to do with them?

How are you defining "masculine" if not through attraction of females?

If every one of your ancestors procreated for you to be here, what does that tell you about whose definition of "masculine" is most relevant (excepting rapes)?
 

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Some questions:

If masculinity always attracts women, how can it have nothing to do with them?

How are you defining "masculine" if not through attraction of females?

If every one of your ancestors procreated for you to be here, what does that tell you about whose definition of "masculine" is most relevant (excepting rapes)?
masculine is a single point of light. Not a heard mentality driven impetus.

Masculine is the definition of creativity. Survival. It can survive independently. Unlike the feminine. The masculine optimizes survival for all. Other men, women, children etc. women are drawn to masculine.

You working on being masculine has nothing to do with women. Masculine does not live in or acknowledge the feminine imperative. You are applying it incorrectly.
You can apply this to electrical engineering. Current is a potentiality. It has the potential to flow but it doesn’t mean that it necessarily is flowing.

Man, in a masculine state, is a potentiality. He exists weather anything else exists or is real or not.
 
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