i know when attracting a girl, youre not supposed to always give her what she wants, tease her, dont be a wuss, etc. one of my buddies is going after this girl and all he does is kiss her ass, does everything she says, responds to her texts within 30 seconds, you get what im sayin. i just found out recently that the girl is thinking about giving him a chance. this goes completely against everything thats said in these forums. whats going on here?
"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
guy kisses her a$$ and she gives him a chance?
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"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
Julius_Seizeher
Master Don Juan
Rollo would say "You cannot negotiate desire." That's what they're doing.
And the story ends in more confusion and despair for your AFC buddy.
Each man in his own good time.
And the story ends in more confusion and despair for your AFC buddy.
Each man in his own good time.
sodbuster
Master Don Juan
ONCE she's sucked him dry of all the compliments and built her ego up to new heights,she'll drop him because she can do better
"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.
There are exc eptions to everything. 95% of human beings land a girl being AFC. It works. Its just that our way will yield better results. This guy will get walked all over, assuming the ass kissing isnt strategically part of his game. It can totally work if done correctly, and not a genuine supplication. Or maybe the girl is temporarily in the mood for that kind of dude. Doesnt matter.
There are no hard and fast rules to the game. The game is there to stop YOU from selling yourself out for a woman. Will AFC get girls? Yes. Would you want to be that guy? Probably not...you'll probably fill like you are betraying yourself. Earl Nightingale said success is the progressive realization of a worthy ideal. It doesn't matter how the next man gets his success...its how you get yours that matters. If you don't consider that route successful, then don't go that route. Define your own success and do the work to get to it.
Rollo Tomassi
Master Don Juan
DUKE, your brief assessment here is not nearly enough to go on. I know fat girls who would wait in line for a guy to dote on them like this - doesn't mean you'd want to ƒuck them. You also mention that "she's thinking about giving him a chance", this implies she has frame control from the beginning. She has yet to grace his supplications with the precious, priceless gift of her intimacy. Women love worshipers, they just hate sleeping with them.
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
zekko
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Of course she's giving him a chance. Wouldn't you like some chick to kiss your ass all the time (if she was hot)? As long as the guy has some decent value/status, she's going to get a huge ego boost out of it. But the thing is, she most likely will not respect him, and you get the feeling this could end badly.
But like horaholic says, 95% of guys probably land girls by being AFCs. And don't forget, women usually end up marrying a nice guy. So this shouldn't be a surprise at all. Part of the emphasis on being the "bad boy" is because women respond well in the short term (sexually) to that type of man. And pickup is mostly about one night stands, so that's one reason they tell you to be the bad boy.