Getting T levels tested next week

[EyeBRollin]

Sure there is, that's what cholesterol is made from and cholesterol is required for making testosterone.

Your crusade against saturated fats has been shown to be false for at least 15 years now in study after study.

Nope. It is not advisable to substitute EFAs found in the polyunsaturated and monounsaturated fats for saturated fat. Quite possibly the worst advice to be honest.

Saturated fat raises serum Apolipoprotein-B, which is the primary driver of atherosclerosis. Lipidologists are quite clear on this.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Nope. It is not advisable to substitute EFAs found in the polyunsaturated and monounsaturated fats for saturated fat. Quite possibly the worst advice to be honest.

Saturated fat raises serum Apolipoprotein-B, which is the primary driver of atherosclerosis. Lipidologists are quite clear on this.

"In the last 15 years, several studies have challenged the long-held belief that saturated fats are inherently bad for health. Some studies suggest that saturated fats may not be as harmful as previously thought and can be included as part of a health-promoting diet
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A 2020 Cochrane review found that cutting down on saturated fat intake did not significantly reduce the risk of dying or getting cardiovascular disease
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A 2021 PubMed article discussed the controversies regarding saturated fat intake and cardiovascular health. The article highlighted that results from observational studies demonstrate that dietary patterns with lower average intakes of saturated fats are associated with favorable cardiovascular outcomes, but randomized controlled trials have shown mixed results
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A 2022 article in the journal "Progress in Cardiovascular Diseases" concluded that more than 20 review papers by independent teams of scientists have found that saturated fats have no effect on major cardiovascular outcomes, including heart attacks, strokes, or cardiovascular mortality, or total mortality
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A 2014 PubMed article argued that saturated fat can lead to increased LDL cholesterol levels, but the correlative nature of their association does not assign causation. The article also mentioned that numerous meta-analyses and systematic reviews have shown no association between saturated fat intake and cardiovascular disease"

You can either get with the times or get left behind.

 

[EyeBRollin]

There is no controversy. The consensus on the cause of CVD is clear.

Saturated Fat raises serum Apo-B, and it is believed to do so by hindering the body’s ability to clear lipoproteins out of the blood. Hence, it is detrimental to replace unsaturated fats with saturated fat.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

There is no controversy. The consensus on the cause of CVD is clear.

Saturated Fat raises serum Apo-B, and it is believed to do so by hindering the body’s ability to clear lipoproteins out of the blood. Hence, it is detrimental to replace unsaturated fats with saturated fat.

Unless you know the exact breakdown of the various types of Apo-B and LDL, that's mostly meaningless.

It would be like saying more people die because of driving so we shouldn't drive.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Unless you know the exact breakdown of the various types of Apo-B and LDL, that's mostly meaningless.

It is not. Apo-B in excess of physiological minimum crashes into artery walls, causing injury. Saturated fat harms the body’s natural clearance of these particles. The result is, more of them are circulating in the blood.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

It is not. Apo-B in excess of physiological minimum crashes into artery walls, causing injury. Saturated fat harms the body’s natural clearance of these particles. The result is, more of them are circulating in the blood.

Once again,if the body operated in a vacuum that might be plausible. Unfortunately it doesn't.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Once again,if the body operated in a vacuum that might be plausible. Unfortunately it doesn't.

The associations have a 95% confidence interval. There are exceptions to every rule, but the general trend holds. The important thing is that unsaturated fats are either benign or positive wrt Apo-B, and saturated fats generally raise Apo-B. The essential fatty acids are unsaturated, so there is no logical reason to replace them with saturated fat.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

The associations have a 95% confidence interval. There are exceptions to every rule, but the general trend holds. The important thing is that unsaturated fats are either benign or positive wrt Apo-B, and saturated fats generally raise Apo-B. The essential fatty acids are unsaturated, so there is no logical reason to replace them with saturated fat.

Interesting studies have shown that any negative effects from saturated fats can be erased by eating an avocado with it.

Also, there is this:

"Saturated fats found in butter and coconut oil (myristic acid and lauric acid) play key roles in immune health. Loss of sufficient saturated fatty acids in the white blood cells hampers their ability to recognize and destroy foreign invaders, such as viruses, bacteria, and fungi.

Human breast milk is quite rich in myristic and lauric acid, which have potent germ-killing ability. But the importance of the fats lives on beyond infancy; we need dietary replenishment of them throughout adulthood, middle age, and into seniority to keep the immune system vigilant against the development of cancerous cells as well as infectious invaders."

and this:

" Improved cardiovascular risk factors

Though you may not have heard of it on the front pages of your local newspaper, online news source, or local television or radio news program, saturated fat plays a couple of key roles in cardiovascular health. The addition of saturated fat to the diet reduces the levels of a substance called lipoprotein (a)—pronounced “lipoprotein little a” and abbreviated Lp(a)—that correlates strongly with risk for heart disease. Currently there are no medications to lower this substance and the only dietary means of lowering Lp(a) is eating saturated fat. Bet you didn’t hear that on the nightly news. Moreover, eating saturated (and other) fats also raises the level of HDL, the so-called good cholesterol. Lastly, research has shown that when women diet, those eating the greatest percentage of the total fat in their diets as saturated fat lose the most weight."

And this:

"Improved liver health

Adding saturated fat to the diet has been shown in medical research to encourage the liver cells to dump their fat content. Clearing fat from the liver is the critical first step to calling a halt to middle-body fat storage. Additionally, saturated fat has been shown to protect the liver from the toxic insults of alcohol and medications, including acetaminophen and other drugs commonly used for pain and arthritis, such as nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs or NSAIDs, and even to reverse the damage once it has occurred. Since the liver is the lynchpin of a healthy metabolism, anything that is good for the liver is good for getting rid of fat in the middle. Polyunsaturated vegetable fats do not offer this protection."

And this:

"Healthy brain

You will likely be astounded to learn that your brain is mainly made of fat and cholesterol. Though many people are now familiar with the importance of the highly unsaturated essential fatty acids found in cold-water fish (EPA and DHA) for normal brain and nerve function, the lion’s share of the fatty acids in the brain are actually saturated. A diet that skimps on healthy saturated fats robs your brain of the raw materials it needs to function optimally."

Nature rarely makes mistakes with it's creation of foods.

People thought they could outsmart it by removing fats from it like with skim milk or otherwise changing things but those usually don't work out very well...

Turns out the fats in milk are there to blunt the milk sugars from spiking insulin.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Interesting studies have shown that any negative effects from saturated fats can be erased by eating an avocado with it.

LOL. Avocados are unsaturated fat!

 

[BackInTheGame78]

LOL. Avocados are unsaturated fat!

Yes, I am well aware.

That being said, saturated fats play an important role in the body and the demonization of them is illogical.

Breast milk contains a lot of saturated fat...can't be that bad for you as that's the first food a baby "needs" according to nature.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Breast milk contains a lot of saturated fat...can't be that bad for you as that's the first food a baby "needs" according to nature.

Adults do not drink breast milk and babies have physiologically ideal Apo-B levels. Even then, there is evidence that atherosclerosis actually begins in childhood. Also, all saturated fat isn’t created equal. Stearic acid in chocolate is more benign than saturated fat in butter and red meat. Either way, you are still better off with that avocado.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Adults do not drink breast milk and babies have physiologically ideal Apo-B levels. Even then, there is evidence that atherosclerosis actually begins in childhood. Also, all saturated fat isn’t created equal. Stearic acid in chocolate is more benign than saturated fat in butter and red meat. Either way, you are still better off with that avocado.

You simply have an incomplete understanding of how the body works and no amount of evidence will get you to have a better amount of understanding it seems so I'll let you do you.

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

Saturated fat: villain and bogeyman in the development of cardiovascular disease?

SF was demonized by sugar industry lobbyists for most of the 20th century. I can believe claims that SF might be harmful in some contexts but it's highly reductionistic to simply state that SF=bad.

 

[EyeBRollin]

SF was demonized by sugar industry lobbyists for most of the 20th century. I can believe claims that SF might be harmful in some contexts but it's highly reductionistic to simply state that SF=bad.

How is it reductionist if high saturated fat in the diet is proven to raise serum Apo-B?

 

[BackInTheGame78]

How is it reductionist if high saturated fat in the diet is proven to raise serum Apo-B?

Probably because studies indicate a lower risk of CVD with saturated fats so there is a lot more at play than you simply ranting about a single thing endlessly.

But that's how it usually works in the body. There are lots of connections and interplays between numerous systems and various things that we aren't even close to fully understanding yet.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Probably because studies indicate a lower risk of CVD with saturated fats so there is a lot more at play

Confounders? The consensus in cardiology is that there is causal relationship between serum Apo-B and atherosclerosis. And that saturated fat beyond a threshold (8-12% of total calories) impairs the livers ability to clear Apo-B from the blood. Do with that information what you’d like.

The fact remains, saturated fat is non-essential. EFAs are unsaturated, which evidence suggests has either benign or positive effects on Apo-B. It’s one of the reasons the “Mediterranean diet,” high in nuts, fish, olive oil, etc is held in such high esteem.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Just had my testosterone checked again. 496, up from 453 last year. Ironically, this is after I discovered soy milk. My goodness this stuff is delicious. Guess I am a “soy boy” now..

Side note, the only animal fat I’ve consumed in the last 6 months has come from fish. No butter, ghee, red meat, egg, birds, nothing. They are nonessential.