sandman6991
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Why don't you just let the girls come to you and your friends at lunch?
You say they're interested...
You say they're interested...
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.
Actually, the girls from the 3rd approach did initiate convo with me at the football game on Saturday and the two girls from that set actually introduced me to one of their friends.sandman6991 said:Why don't you just let the girls come to you and your friends at lunch?
You say they're interested...
Hooray you're a pimp.ElStud said:Actually, the girls from the 3rd approach did initiate convo with me at the football game on Saturday and the two girls from that set actually introduced me to one of their friends.
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
That's what I hate about the advice you guys give though. It's WORDS, WORDS, and more WORDS. You guys think if you're not using the right WORDS, it's a bad approach, this is clearly not truth. It does not matter what story you're using, it doesn't matter what the f*ck you say to the girl, if you're not conveying the right things, she's not going to be interested in you anyways. Get a total newbie to the game to go up to a girl with the best story ever, she probably won't be interested cause she can sense his agenda and that he's not displaying his true personality.TheVirtualMind said:Try using different stories...
Dude, don't worry about my friends, I have SEVERAL friends but ofcourse these aren't guys I'd actually game with. I just don't like the idea of fvcking game girls with your friends, since they probably don't understand PU. If anything I would bring my friends over and they'd make the set harder for me. Nah, PUing with friends aint something I do. Plus, I don't even talk to my friends at lunch, I just use lunch time to approach girls.How about you make some friends first that you can hangout with at lunch so you don't look like a lonely creep, and also company for your weekends since I've read in another thread you don't have much going on.
Get more socially acceptable first, then focus on girls. By the sound of it it seems like you're always by yourself on lunch breaks and simply approach any chick that's in front of you and negging them.
EVEN if you succeed with a girl eventually - it will be a pretty boring relationship because you apparently haven't got much going on for you.
Of course I'm only judging from your posts. But I haven't once seen you mention a friend.
No no no... I didn't say use your friends as wingmen.. I said use your friends as social proof. Social proof is very important when it comes to attracting and getting interest from women and ESPECIALLY in high school. No girl is going to date someone who doesn't have any social proof and most of the times he's by himself. When women see you have social proof, part of the game is over.ElStud said:Dude, don't worry about my friends, I have SEVERAL friends but ofcourse these aren't guys I'd actually game with. I just don't like the idea of fvcking game girls with your friends, since they probably don't understand PU. If anything I would bring my friends over and they'd make the set harder for me. Nah, PUing with friends aint something I do. Plus, I don't even talk to my friends at lunch, I just use lunch time to approach girls.
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.
Best advice you've given yet, yeah, I actually have been overgaming the girls. Negging is good when you've just met them, but eventually girls will get tired of that type of stuff. Since I already know the girls in set 3, I'm going to stop with the negging and just vibe them, kinoing whichever one I want to date.Grand Wizzard Alamar said:Ahhh too much text..
how about you just try being less full of yourself and a touch nicer to make girls more comfortable around you?
thank you for the compliment el.ElStud said:Best advice you've given yet.
to help you, we have to beat the truth into you.Real said:people, think of an awkwardly social creepy 17 year old kissless virgin who THINKS he's the shyt because his ego is huge for absolutely no reason.........kinda like that guy who hits on 20 girls at a party, gets brutally rejected by all of them, and still says "yupp im da man baby im da man!" (think of the guys at Night at the Roxbury)
Elstud thinks what he is doing is 100% right, yet he has no proof of success to back it up - he's a crazy creepy guy really
his looks are the problem, and they cause him to be so socially awkward
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
No, everything you said was on the money except the looks part. It's his ego. And his inability to take criticism without getting defensive.Real said:people, think of an awkwardly social creepy 17 year old kissless virgin who THINKS he's the shyt because his ego is huge for absolutely no reason.........kinda like that guy who hits on 20 girls at a party, gets brutally rejected by all of them, and still says "yupp im da man baby im da man!" (think of the guys at Night at the Roxbury)
Elstud thinks what he is doing is 100% right, yet he has no proof of success to back it up - he's a crazy creepy guy really
his looks are the problem, and they cause him to be so socially awkward
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.