"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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For those who said i didnt need the surgeries done

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Yep @Tictac ... I realize that there is no cure for insanity... In fact, he is just doing this to make himself feel better. What little shreds of self-esteem he actually has. All our telling him he looks good is not going to help him. All the surgeries in the world would not help him. Even if he looked like Brad Pitt he would not realize the truth.
In fact, like many who are ill like this I doubt he will ever actually see the truth and see past the delusion. Rarely are these people ever able to break free of it as the delusion is their reality. I understand this... I really do...

Truth is @Clueless2k16 we cannot help you here, no psychologist will be able to help you either... The only thing that will help you is yourself if you can someday hopefully see past the delusions your mind has conjured up. You are here to try to shed the pain of what you feel, to try to scrape at any semblance of hope... But you will not find it. I rarely understand people, mostly I fake it because I do not... But you I understand... Hang in there.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Yep @Tictac ... I realize that there is no cure for insanity... In fact, he is just doing this to make himself feel better. What little shreds of self-esteem he actually has. All our telling him he looks good is not going to help him. All the surgeries in the world would not help him. Even if he looked like Brad Pitt he would not realize the truth.
In fact, like many who are ill like this I doubt he will ever actually see the truth and see past the delusion. Rarely are these people ever able to break free of it as the delusion is their reality. I understand this... I really do...

Truth is @Clueless2k16 we cannot help you here, no psychologist will be able to help you either... The only thing that will help you is yourself if you can someday hopefully see past the delusions your mind has conjured up. You are here to try to shed the pain of what you feel, to try to scrape at any semblance of hope... But you will not find it. I rarely understand people, mostly I fake it because I do not... But you I understand... Hang in there.
Good thing he can deprive others of needed health care through the NHS so he can tend to his narcissism. Completely selfish assh*le.
 

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Good thing he can deprive others of needed health care through the NHS so he can tend to his narcissism. Completely selfish assh*le.
the plastic surgeons wouldnt do the surgeries if they thought i wasnt a candidate.
 

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Moderators... I will never tell you how to do your job, this board is managed wonderfully. However, I ask for your attention to this case. I know @Clueless2k16 here is not being directly disruptive, nor is he actually trolling as he truly believes this madness. But I know that he will continue this on an on. Inundating the board with threads about his delusion to help hold whatever he has of his fragile self-esteem to get whatever shreds of gratification, which will never be enough to feed that bottomless hole of a self-esteem he has. We cannot help him here... In fact, the likelihood is that all of this will do more harm to him than good. I think that having him here and him being here is detrimental to both himself and this forum...

Take that into consideration... I do this because it is right.
@Espi @bradd80
 

“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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You are a self-centered, wholly narcissistic sad sack.

Others could not get care because of you.
Jaw surgery (Maxilo Mandibular Advancement) -- was for treatment of severe sleep apnea.

Rhino/Septoplasty -- crooked nose / breathing problems

Strabismus surgery - self explaining

only the otoplasty and canthopexies for the lifting of the eyes were cosmetic
 

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Jaw surgery (Maxilo Mandibular Advancement) -- was for treatment of severe sleep apnea.

Rhino/Septoplasty -- crooked nose / breathing problems

Strabismus surgery - self explaining

only the otoplasty and canthopexies for the lifting of the eyes were cosmetic
Tap dance all you like. You are addicted to cosmetic surgery for no reason other than you hate yourself. This deprives others of necessary medical care.
 

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"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Jaw surgery (Maxilo Mandibular Advancement) -- was for treatment of severe sleep apnea.

Rhino/Septoplasty -- crooked nose / breathing problems

Strabismus surgery - self explaining

only the otoplasty and canthopexies for the lifting of the eyes were cosmetic
Admit it, you are addicted to the anesthesia, aren't you?
 

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I have met every kind of case... But never a real BDD case... How I would love to pick your thoughts to analyze how you think. But this is not the place for it.
 

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i'm no loony. I have a degree in Journalism and a job in IT (Networking). I dont understand the hate really
No hate...I find it pretty crazy to be honest...like sociopathic almost.

You obviously hate yourself more than all of us combined could anyway, so I'm not sure what the point of that was...
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Sure you are.

Read your own posts.
Dr. Lecter: "How did you catch me Will? How did you do it?"

Will: "You had....disadvantages"

Dr. Lecter: "Disadvantages? What disadvantages?"

Will: "You're insane."
 

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@marmel75 BDD is not associated with destructive tendencies other than self-destructive (high suicide rate and high degree of self harm not even counting the surgeries and such they do to themselves). I met so many cases in the behavioral hospital... But never one of these. It is not like it is a rare condition... But it must not be something they do not feel warrants admittance into a behavioral hospital. I am sure his time in this forum will be limited, and that he will either leave once we stop giving him scraps to feed his empty self-esteem or banned. But I will be sad to see it go... Come to PsychCentral if you want Clueless... People there would at least be better equipped to handle you. And there I will be sure to pick your thoughts more.

This is not the place for it however...
 

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@marmel75 BDD is not associated with destructive tendencies other than self-destructive (high suicide rate and high degree of self harm not even counting the surgeries and such they do to themselves). I met so many cases in the behavioral hospital... But never one of these. It is not like it is a rare condition... But it must not be something they do not feel warrants admittance into a behavioral hospital. I am sure his time in this forum will be limited, and that he will either leave once we stop giving him scraps to feed his empty self-esteem or banned. But I will be sad to see it go... Come to PsychCentral if you want Clueless... People there would at least be better equipped to handle you. And there I will be sure to pick your thoughts more.
He's been here under at least two names already and over many months.

Instantly recognizable for his hysterics and self absorbtion.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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