Bible_Belt
Master Don Juan
I know it's mutual, but I have savored drawing it out and not telling her. We have been together about 4-5 months.
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
For LTR, when do you say 'I love you?'
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"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
Vulpine
Master Don Juan
After you kiss on the altar.
"...You may kiss the bride."
*kisses*
V: *leans in to whisper in ear* "I love you."
Yeah... I had to vote "never".
"...You may kiss the bride."
*kisses*
V: *leans in to whisper in ear* "I love you."
Yeah... I had to vote "never".
speed dawg
Master Don Juan
7 months in, after she'd already said it 200 times.
Mind_Body_Soul
Senior Don Juan
It doesn't matter as long as it's AFTER she says it first. The longer you wait the better.
"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
Vulpine
Master Don Juan
Well, since I'm never going to be standing on an altar, never.
I'm probably never getting married, and if I did, it would be in Vegas... baby. ('Cuz the chick I'd marry wouldn't settle for anything less than a Vegas wedding, of course.)
So, in a Vegas wedding, I wouldn't whisper that mush. :nono: I'd whisper something more like "let's go get lucky little darlin'" in an Elvis voice. Followed by: "can we hit the roulette table and the way up to the room?"
:rockon:
Dare to dream.
I'm probably never getting married, and if I did, it would be in Vegas... baby. ('Cuz the chick I'd marry wouldn't settle for anything less than a Vegas wedding, of course.)
So, in a Vegas wedding, I wouldn't whisper that mush. :nono: I'd whisper something more like "let's go get lucky little darlin'" in an Elvis voice. Followed by: "can we hit the roulette table and the way up to the room?"
:rockon:
Dare to dream.
Victory Unlimited
Master Don Juan
LOL!
And here I was always taught that you should always tell a woman "I love you" in a DEAD or almost FORGOTTEN language like MAYAN or ARAMAIC----you know, or ANY other language used in a movie directed by Mel Gibson...:rockon:
And here I was always taught that you should always tell a woman "I love you" in a DEAD or almost FORGOTTEN language like MAYAN or ARAMAIC----you know, or ANY other language used in a movie directed by Mel Gibson...:rockon:
I’m sure we’ve all had chicks say it to us after a week or something. I remember thinking, like WTF, “…do you realize I have not even changed my underwear the entire time I’ve known you”.
Any overused phrase essentially becomes meaningless. The only time WE should say it is only AFTER she says it and only one tenth of times she does.
Oh, yeah, for effect, never say it as an immediate response to her saying it, and, when you do say it, make it random, out of the blue, not just after you boned her.
Any overused phrase essentially becomes meaningless. The only time WE should say it is only AFTER she says it and only one tenth of times she does.
Oh, yeah, for effect, never say it as an immediate response to her saying it, and, when you do say it, make it random, out of the blue, not just after you boned her.
Bible_Belt
Master Don Juan
not just after you boned her.
but damnit, I've always just boned her. Maybe that's what I love about her
but damnit, I've always just boned her. Maybe that's what I love about her
"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
penkitten
Master Don Juan
when you feel like it
bigjohnson
Master Don Juan
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I don't let her expect it. Sometimes I'll say "Yeah, I'm a lovable sorta person", or "and who could blame you really?" in a funny way. Then once in a while I'll get all serious and say it back.
If you make it unexpected there is a higher addiction factor.
Look at the experiments with mice and the reward machine to see how it works.
If you make it unexpected there is a higher addiction factor.
Look at the experiments with mice and the reward machine to see how it works.
"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
Bible_Belt
Master Don Juan
STR8UP said:
Good advice. She ended up saying it first. I will remember to use it sparingly.
X-Man
Don Juan
I said it recently after a few months when I was in the ****. Got me out of it and I have hardly said it ever again even tho she does all the time, as it should be.