Feel Free To Criticize My Texting Game

[Plinco]

Plinco, please don't give advice when you're the one in need.

Do not tell me not to give advice when I see fit, or how I conduct my business. I welcome constructive criticism and if that's what you do, then you're more than welcome in my presence but if you're not going to show my that kind of respect then you can leave.

I'm putting @BPH on the spot to get him to think logically about his experience. I play dumb a little bit but I'm not personally attacking him. I do that because I believe in his ability to go further than where he is now.

If you want to produce results, fully integrate with reality first. Logic is a means to identify reality.

 

[BPH]

Accepting notions on faith, which is what @BPH has a habit of doing, is unbecoming of a man. I don't think BPH does this on purpose. He probably thinks that submission is necessary for learning, which is a notion that people on a lower stage of understanding accept. I don't care, I'm not accepting anything on faith, full stop.

I'm putting @BPH on the spot to get him to think logically about his experience. I play dumb a little bit but I'm not personally attacking him. I do that because I believe in his ability to go further than where he is now.

@Plinco I'm not the one who's asking for advice on how to solve a problem.

I think submitting one's ego, and being open to the possibility of being wrong is something one should do if they're asking somebody who has what they want for advice.

You're asking for my opinion, and then disregarding it completely. You would rather have this back-and-forth than go out into the world and test your theory against mine - which is precisely the problem, by the way. Remember the night you went out to the bar for 30 minutes, left early because you supposedly wanted sleep, then spent the next hour talking to me about it instead?

You RELISH the argument and trying to prove people wrong. I'm not asking you to accept notions on faith; I am asking you to try them - which you are either unwilling to do or don't think the information is worth remembering, since you asked for my advice before ignoring it within the span of a single week.

It's like you think you're somehow "helping" me by being difficult for the sake of being difficult.

 

[Plinco]

On the way home I thought about how I used to get girls from dating apps, and some of my conversations where pretty sexual. I need to remember how I did it. I'll post whatever memory I can come up with.

 

[craider]

Plinco, I'm telling you what you need to hear since you asked for it. And I'll tell you it however I dang well please.

Now go ahead and engage your logical, reality focused mind: the shiz you are doing doesn't work and you waste your time arguing with me and BPH.

That's observable reality. I'm just recording it in black and white since cognitive science doesn't work if you skip the science part.

Now why do you feel that way? My guess is to feel good about yourself: you're to jerking off your ego with this logic/control/masculinity thing.

"If you want to produce results, fully integrate with reality first." WELL SAID.

"Logic is a means to identify reality." This is factually incorrect. Logic verifies reality, intuition identifies it. And you know what? The verifier in sexual courtship is the woman, not you. Your job is to identify what she wants and give it to her.

My guess is that since the women won't validate what YOU want to be true with sex/attention, you come online to try and get it from us instead since that is relatively easier. As we've all told you by now: the hurdle in moving forward is seriously questioning yourself and moving past this identity.

 

[Plinco]

"Logic is a means to identify reality." This is factually incorrect. Logic verifies reality, intuition identifies it.

I don't want to argue with you but that's not correct. I think you're saying is that emotion identifies reality, but emotions are impulses that at best approximates your relationship with reality. How many times did a situation turn out differently then what you initially felt like was going to happen? Just like how panicking in a bad situation doesn't help you either.

And you know what? The verifier in sexual courtship is the woman, not you. Your job is to identify what she wants and give it to her.

So you're saying that a woman identifies reality first and then the man verifies it?

What if she wants to f*uck me but I don't want to f*ck her? I wouldn't owe her anything would I?

My guess is that since the women won't validate what YOU want to be true with sex/attention, you come online to try and get it from us instead since that is relatively easier. As we've all told you by now: the hurdle in moving forward is seriously questioning yourself and moving past this identity.

I don't need to be personally validated here. I'm here to get what I want, step by step.

Here's an example of the kind of girl I'm attracted to

- YouTube

Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.

www.youtube.com

Not easy to do when you're 42. That's what I'm working with.

 

[craider]

Well you had better get used to arguing with me, rather than with women, if you want to call what you're doing masculine and get laid.

And you don't get to decide what's right and wrong based on what appeals to your emotions or other sensibilities either. Also not manly.

Look at the results you're getting. Your model of the world needs work. That's the cold hard truth and you need to accept it and move forward before progress can happen.

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for progress whenever you're ready:

What I'm saying is that a woman identifies what she wants and verifies whether you're able to produce it.

Your job is to figure out the details of providing, entertaining, f*cking, etc.

With regards to reality itself I encourage you to study some science rather than guessing based on your experience in lawn care. You would be surprised how much of science and logical decision making is in fact powered by emotional processing, and that logic itself is incomplete at a mathematical level too. There's a reason the brain works by analogy and correlation first, you just don't understand it.

Women understand this instinctively and are selecting for men who can make sense of the chaos without being foolish enough to think they can control everything logically. That's literally the sh*t test you keep failing. They want playful and competent, you present controlling and unpracticed instead.

They want you to separate them from the outside world so they can open up and get pounded safely. Put the world in a cage so they can be free, don't try to put them in a cage. This is the irrational romance in a woman's mind bro.

 

[craider]

p.s. really focus on the fact that you came to this forum for critical feedback in order to change yourself, and now you're trying to squirm out of it and stick to your world view.

Dude, that's no better than the women you're trying to f*ck. Manliness in action, not theory. That's your focus now. The hard part will be letting go of this ego that keeps retreating to the safety of your current world view.

 

[Plinco]

Well you had better get used to arguing with me, rather than with women, if you want to call what you're doing masculine and get laid.

And you don't get to decide what's right and wrong based on what appeals to your emotions or other sensibilities either. Also not manly.

Look at the results you're getting. Your model of the world needs work. That's the cold hard truth and you need to accept it and move forward before progress can happen.

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for progress whenever you're ready:

What I'm saying is that a woman identifies what she wants and verifies whether you're able to produce it.

Your job is to figure out the details of providing, entertaining, f*cking, etc.

With regards to reality itself I encourage you to study some science rather than guessing based on your experience in lawn care. You would be surprised how much of science and logical decision making is in fact powered by emotional processing, and that logic itself is incomplete at a mathematical level too. There's a reason the brain works by analogy and correlation first, you just don't understand it.

Women understand this instinctively and are selecting for men who can make sense of the chaos without being foolish enough to think they can control everything logically. That's literally the sh*t test you keep failing. They want playful and competent, you present controlling and unpracticed instead.

Your heart is in the right place but your mind isn't.

I'm not going to have a philosophic argument in my thread, but I look forward to your input anyway. I might address some of this later

 

[craider]

Buddy, my mind is fine considering the abundance in my life. I agree regarding my heart considering the fact that I'm writing you a book to try and extend that abundance into yours. Let's nevermind the hypocrisy of using ad hominem attacks to undermine a debate about logic and reality that was initiated you asking for help/feedback .

Avoid the philosophical point for as long as you want. You're not in control here. Sorry. I too had to struggle with rejection and reevaluating my perspective on life.

I think Pook had a whole book on what everyone is trying to convey here in terms of technique, if you really do want to skip the debate and philosophy behind it.

 

[Plinco]

I used to do pretty good on Tinder, back in 2013/2014.

A guy I used to work with gave me the idea of using "Heyyy ", or with the blushy smile face as an opener, and it worked for me back then, and especially for him; he was getting laid by a new girl every week.

I used to send memes and video clips.

I remember two different times I practically got laid after talking about the size of my you know what, and both times the girls invited me to their apartment. Both were ONS

I got really c0cky and made remarks that sometimes got me rejected outright.

I would say things like "you look good in that dress" or detail how I would cuddle with her. I remember talking over the phone and there was sexual tension and anticipation.

I haven't been successful on these apps in about a decade. The last time I got laid from Tinder was 2017. I think I just have forgotten how to text well. All of my lays after that were from in person indirect approaches.


@craider
I'll be more than happy to have that philosophic debate with you. Just not on this thread.

"And you don't get to decide what's right and wrong based on what appeals to your emotions or other sensibilities either."

That's my message to you.

 

[Plinco]

I've got two new matches on Tinder, which I'm surprised again. My main focus is cold approaching still but Orlando isn't going to be as active during the summer because of the summer break. I'm thinking there might be some college girls coming back home locally near where I'm at.

 

[BPH]

I've got two new matches on Tinder, which I'm surprised again. My main focus is cold approaching still but Orlando isn't going to be as active during the summer because of the summer break. I'm thinking there might be some college girls coming back home locally near where I'm at.

Holy fu**! He actually listened to my advice and got a response?! Who'd have thunk...

 

[BackInTheGame78]

I've got two new matches on Tinder, which I'm surprised again. My main focus is cold approaching still but Orlando isn't going to be as active during the summer because of the summer break. I'm thinking there might be some college girls coming back home locally near where I'm at.

Don't send lame messages, get their numbers and get them out in person within 3-5 messages.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

Finally!

It took three pages and finally someone actually gets it. It's not that I'm incapable of acting mature, I'm not stubborn, I'm not needy, and I'm not afraid, I don't know how to calibrate my communication better than what I've posted in screenshots. This thread will continue until I know how to calibrate my communication properly.











You and I are spinning our wheels here. You're better at emotional communication than I am. I'm more psychologically developed than you are. When you get integrated at my level the "authority" figures disappear.

OP if better calibration when texting is your goal then use fake pics of better looking, sexier dudes. #1 you'll get more matches to practice calibration, and #2 you'll be less invested you can be looser and have more fun with it. If you can, change your location so you're not exhausting potential matches where you live.

 

[craider]

I used to do pretty good on Tinder, back in 2013/2014.

A guy I used to work with gave me the idea of using "Heyyy ", or with the blushy smile face as an opener, and it worked for me back then, and especially for him; he was getting laid by a new girl every week.

I used to send memes and video clips.

I remember two different times I practically got laid after talking about the size of my you know what, and both times the girls invited me to their apartment. Both were ONS

I got really c0cky and made remarks that sometimes got me rejected outright.

I would say things like "you look good in that dress" or detail how I would cuddle with her. I remember talking over the phone and there was sexual tension and anticipation.

I haven't been successful on these apps in about a decade. The last time I got laid from Tinder was 2017. I think I just have forgotten how to text well. All of my lays after that were from in person indirect approaches.


@craider
I'll be more than happy to have that philosophic debate with you. Just not on this thread.

"And you don't get to decide what's right and wrong based on what appeals to your emotions or other sensibilities either."

That's my message to you.

Thanks Plinco, but I'll pass since you're trying to play yet more word games in order to turn this around on me. I get enough of that from the plates in my life. I'm happy my input got you to change your behavior and that yielded a material result, good luck out there.

If you're open to any further advice it would be to reconsider your responses here. If you are reminding me of my plates, that's probably bleeding through to your dating prospects and turning them off.

 

[Plinco]

Thanks Plinco, but I'll pass since you're trying to play yet more word games in order to turn this around on me. I get enough of that from the plates in my life. I'm happy my input got you to change your behavior and that yielded a material result, good luck out there.

If you're open to any further advice it would be to reconsider your responses here. If you are reminding me of my plates, that's probably bleeding through to your dating prospects and turning them off.

I'll be more than happy to have that philosophic debate with you. Just not on this thread.

"And you don't get to decide what's right and wrong based on what appeals to your emotions or other sensibilities either."

That's my message to you.

This reminds you of your plates? Who tf are you dating? Men?

 

[Plinco]

https:/ /imgur.com/a/random-tinder-convos-QA9bXde
remove the space between / /


The three principles of texting are

1. reciprocate interest level
2. lead the conversation in the direction of a meetup
3. increase interest

 

[craider]

This reminds you of your plates? Who tf are you dating? Men?

Yeah they often try to control the narrative with venue changes, denying permission to pursue a line of discussion, appeals to emotion, appeals to moral frameworks, appeals to tradition, etc. At the end of the day these are just rhetorical techniques designed to avoid the losing end of a debate since their childish ego can't handle it.

No, they are not men. I don't bother managing this behavior with men since I get nothing out of it.

This is typical female behavior broski. I can see you don't like the feedback but we're in a thread discussing what's wrong with your communication since it's turning women off. I won't belabor the point any further since I don't think that'd be helpful - but I DO think you have good chances if you can clear this hangup and integrate the feedback. Results were forthcoming once you tried it BPH's way, right?

 

[craider]

p.s. what feedback are you looking for on the texting album? I took a look and other than missing some obvious breadcrumbs they're giving you it seems like you're closing all of them to a date?

 

[BackInTheGame78]

https:/ /imgur.com/a/random-tinder-convos-QA9bXde
remove the space between / /


The three principles of texting are

1. reciprocate interest level
2. lead the conversation in the direction of a meetup
3. increase interest

You missed the biggest and most important one and the one that women are always trying to find out prior to meeting up:

Do not disqualify yourself via text.

Because almost every women a man texts from OLD, that's their number one objective. Give you chances to disqualify yourself so she can not meet up with them.

Why? Because she cannot possibly meet up with all of the men that are wanting to meet up with her, so she sets up "traps" or "DQ filters" she uses that quickly filter out men that fall into them.

And plenty of men fall into these traps, which then gives her less options to have to sort through.