Wasabi_Master
Don Juan
wanted to know how to do it properly with test e & deca for 10 weeks. Thanks!
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Did anyone try Juicing?
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Fuglydude
Master Don Juan
Dude the fact that you're asking such a rudimentary question means that you have no business using gear. Educate yourself first... know about PCT, aromatization, ester half life, and drug pro/cons. Test and deca are POWERFUL drugs and should not be used by someone who doesn't have a clue about what they are doing. In addition you should have at least a few years of productive training under your belt if you hope to retain gains after you come of cycle.
Check out mesomorphosis.com ... there's ample sites on the web give you good info about gear. In addition you probably shouldn't be asking gear questions in a place like this, where the majority of trainees aren't at the level where they should be considering use of gear.
Check out mesomorphosis.com ... there's ample sites on the web give you good info about gear. In addition you probably shouldn't be asking gear questions in a place like this, where the majority of trainees aren't at the level where they should be considering use of gear.
Wasabi_Master
Don Juan
Ill check out the website, thanks!
Just a background
25 y/o , 165lb, been going to gym for 4-5 years
I went through a few websites about gear and what i dont understand is that every website deals with gyro or PCT differently by using differerent things like (nolva, arimidex, clomid, HCG). So not sure the best method, i just want to go through 1 cycle to get some muscle!
Just a background
25 y/o , 165lb, been going to gym for 4-5 years
I went through a few websites about gear and what i dont understand is that every website deals with gyro or PCT differently by using differerent things like (nolva, arimidex, clomid, HCG). So not sure the best method, i just want to go through 1 cycle to get some muscle!
Fuglydude
Master Don Juan
What are your other stats like?
Height? body fat %? Squat/dead/bench/powerclean numbers? Post a pic if you have it.
Why do you wanna use gear anyways? And by the way... no one ever dose just "one cycle"!
Height? body fat %? Squat/dead/bench/powerclean numbers? Post a pic if you have it.
Why do you wanna use gear anyways? And by the way... no one ever dose just "one cycle"!
WC2
Master Don Juan
anabolicminds dot com is a great place to find what you need.
What exactly is the question your asking? The dosage? The Frequency of shots? The PCT?
If you're running 10wks run the Test E @ 500mg/wk & Deca @ 400mg/wk.
Don't start your pct till 2 weeks after your last shot (Last Deca shot.. it has a half-life of about 14 days).
PCT should be nolva 40/20/20/10
Something like that.. not 100% sure, I've only ran Sustanon which is a test blend. Even more reason you should check out anabolic minds.
What exactly is the question your asking? The dosage? The Frequency of shots? The PCT?
If you're running 10wks run the Test E @ 500mg/wk & Deca @ 400mg/wk.
Don't start your pct till 2 weeks after your last shot (Last Deca shot.. it has a half-life of about 14 days).
PCT should be nolva 40/20/20/10
Something like that.. not 100% sure, I've only ran Sustanon which is a test blend. Even more reason you should check out anabolic minds.
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Fuglydude
Master Don Juan
In my humble opinion I think the 500/400 doses you're suggesting is way too much gear for a 165 lb newbie. I've been training for > 10 years, am a former high performance athlete, and am self-employed part time as an exotic entertainer... I'm also a healthcare professional w/ 2 university degrees in the biomedical sciences. I have several cycles under my belt, and apart from my first cycle, when I didn't know what I was doing, I've never ran that much gear. A dude who's 165 lbs really shouldn't need that much.WC2 said:
In addition, deca is notorious for shutting down the HPTA. I never use it. Furthermore, the ester hydrolysis reaction that liberates the nandralone residue from the decanoate ester is reversible. This is probably one of the mechanisms why PCT can be tough after deca cycles. I've heard to start PCT 3 wks after the last deca injection... but since I never use it, I could be wrong.
I think PCT, although there are certain guidelines, is an individual thing. I personally like to use clomiphene for 21-28 days coupled w/ high dose tribulus. Some guys like to use arimidex or other aromatase inhibitors during cycle, and hCG during post-cycle in addition to clomid.... there's not real "right way", as everyone has very unique metabolisms.
Either way, he needs to figure out WHY he wants to use and what results he wants to get prior to choosing drugs.
Wasabi_Master
Don Juan
I was going to do a 10 week cycle, test-e 300mg , deca 300mg per week.
I wanted to know if i need to take anything during cycle like HCG...some websites suggest it and some dont. And for PCT some people say to use nolva and some to use arimidex, clomid...
and then there is letrozol which i think is only if you get gyno ... ?
Ill post some pix up tomorrow , im 5feet 9inches.
Basically what i am looking for is a schedule on how i should take deca + test e and what to take against gyno during cycle and PCT.
thanks!
I wanted to know if i need to take anything during cycle like HCG...some websites suggest it and some dont. And for PCT some people say to use nolva and some to use arimidex, clomid...
and then there is letrozol which i think is only if you get gyno ... ?
Ill post some pix up tomorrow , im 5feet 9inches.
Basically what i am looking for is a schedule on how i should take deca + test e and what to take against gyno during cycle and PCT.
thanks!
Wasabi_Master
Don Juan
to answer fuglydudes question, i just want to overall build 10-15 lbs of muscle and work from there, i spent hunderds of $$$ on GNC products for building muscle with minimal effect. I just wanted to see how it is to gear.
Your not in a position to be using roids. The reason you haven't seen results is because your training incorrectly and eating incorrectly. Steroids won't solve this problem for you and will more than likely cause you some new BAD problems.
MetalFortress
Master Don Juan
Yeah at 5'9" and 165 you are in no position to even be considering roids. You wanna gain at least a good 10-15, go read my 20 rep squats thread, or google 20 rep squats...
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She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
Wasabi_Master
Don Juan
when will i be in the position to consider roids?
Wasabi_Master
Don Juan
20 reps? isnt it good to do 8-12 reps per set? If you can do 20, you should up the weight!
I checked out your thread, I use the machine where you lay down and do the squats instead of the actual one shown. I do everything besides the barbell pullover, thats new to me.
I checked out your thread, I use the machine where you lay down and do the squats instead of the actual one shown. I do everything besides the barbell pullover, thats new to me.
Yeah, I use berrie juice after my workout for some quick carbonhydrates. It works great! Karvan Cevitam is te brand I'm using.
A bit more serious though. I think you need a good program.
http://startingstrength.wikia.com/wiki/Starting_Strength_Wiki
Stop spending your money on supplements and buy lots of healthy foods instead. Make sure you sleep well and you will get results.
A bit more serious though. I think you need a good program.
http://startingstrength.wikia.com/wiki/Starting_Strength_Wiki
Stop spending your money on supplements and buy lots of healthy foods instead. Make sure you sleep well and you will get results.
If you can Squat 5x250 Kg., reached your genetic limit and there's no way you can progress anymore. Silent detail: by that time you probably wouldn't want to take steroids. And one more thing: no amount of muscle is worth dying from a heart attack.Wasabi_Master said:
Fuglydude
Master Don Juan
Listen to kerpal and guys like metal fortress. Unless you're a pro athlete, or making money off your body... you really don't need to use gear to make gains at your level. The fact that you don't squat raw w/ free weights and are questioning the effectiveness of a 20-rep squat coupled w/ spending hundreds of dollars on gnc supplements shows that something is fundamentally lacking w/ your fitness/dietary regimen. Even if you were to use gear, you might gain 10-15 lbs, but these gains would be short lived, and would recede after coming off cycle.Kerpal said:
I used to work at GNC, and a lot of supplements they carry are of little to no use for your average trainee. Large quantities of nutrition-dense high protein food consumed regularly is your best "supplement" and should the foundation for any fitness lifestyle.
What are your other lifts like? How much do you deadlift? Powerclean? Chin ups/dips, etc?
From what I hear, juice works. You will get big with a proper dose. But what happens after you finish the cycle?
If you don't have the proper diet and training, you will go back to the same size you were after juicing. And juicing doesn't make you big. It makes you BIGGER. You still need the diet and training to put those extra hormones to use.
It's a waste in my opinion. Until you fix the fundamental problems its a temporary, expensive, and potentially dangerous fix.
If you don't have the proper diet and training, you will go back to the same size you were after juicing. And juicing doesn't make you big. It makes you BIGGER. You still need the diet and training to put those extra hormones to use.
It's a waste in my opinion. Until you fix the fundamental problems its a temporary, expensive, and potentially dangerous fix.
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Wasabi_Master:
Just by virtue of the fact you think getting big is all about what you take, you have no business taking steroids. You weigh 165 lbs?!? Good grief man. You need to get strong and concentrate on eating before you decide to go down that road. Listen, I have a 400 bench, a 550 deadlift and a 475 squat--all raw--and I have never injected myself with a steroid. The closest thing I've done is 5 weeks of an oral "pro-steroid" that was quasi-legal a few years back, AFTER I had 7+ years of training. And before I did that, I weighed about 208 and had been as high as 214.
Now I walk around at about 230, which isn't monstrous, but it's naturally maintained. No offense man but if you weigh 165 lbs you haven't really been training for 4-5 years. I think you should get up over 200 sustainably before you consider gear.
And regarding supplements---most of them are a waste of your money. Take it from a guy who used to take just about every supplement he could afford, they don't hold a candle to what raw food will do. Protein, creatine, BCAA's and a good peri-workout supplement will actually make a difference, but the rest is salt on a sand dune. FOOD is the raw building material your body needs to grow.
Just by virtue of the fact you think getting big is all about what you take, you have no business taking steroids. You weigh 165 lbs?!? Good grief man. You need to get strong and concentrate on eating before you decide to go down that road. Listen, I have a 400 bench, a 550 deadlift and a 475 squat--all raw--and I have never injected myself with a steroid. The closest thing I've done is 5 weeks of an oral "pro-steroid" that was quasi-legal a few years back, AFTER I had 7+ years of training. And before I did that, I weighed about 208 and had been as high as 214.
Now I walk around at about 230, which isn't monstrous, but it's naturally maintained. No offense man but if you weigh 165 lbs you haven't really been training for 4-5 years. I think you should get up over 200 sustainably before you consider gear.
And regarding supplements---most of them are a waste of your money. Take it from a guy who used to take just about every supplement he could afford, they don't hold a candle to what raw food will do. Protein, creatine, BCAA's and a good peri-workout supplement will actually make a difference, but the rest is salt on a sand dune. FOOD is the raw building material your body needs to grow.
MetalFortress
Master Don Juan
it's far different with real barbell back squats. You aren't just working your legs, you're working your entire body. Your back and shoulders and arms, and everything else, grow like mad, not just legs. Google it up.Wasabi_Master said:
Even if others say that the best rep range is 8 to 12, I've put on somewhere around 20 lbs with zero supplements with this routine (not even protein powder), and many have used this to put on 30+ in 6 to 8 week spans minus supplements. Who am I to question something that works?
Wasabi_Master
Don Juan
What is the advantage of getting my weight up to 200 (from 165) then takiing gear? how is the extra weight going to help?
Ill try the barbell back squat on monday or tuesday and see how it goes...
Ill try the barbell back squat on monday or tuesday and see how it goes...
at 170 lbs, you have barely begun to realize your genetic potential. Most guys never do and are held back by any combination of their training regiment or diet. I continually find ways to improve mine, and since starting a program called 'crossfit', I have found that I am not even at the level of top echelon athletes just yet. A lot of kids I know of who have had the opportunity to play in the big leagues, or have been drafted have juiced. They are naturally gifted, have a perfect routine, but need that extra push to get a competitive edge. In ice hockey in particular, most enforcers have juiced at one point or another. Won't even get into football.
From the looks of it, you aren't even close to the level of training I am experiencing, and at 5'10" 180 lbs, I don't even consider steroids as a lagit way to get in better shape. I can and will get there naturally, even if the numbers aren't as impressive as guys like fuglydude, or colossus...any smart effort will give you good results.
FWIW:
Bench: 220
squat: 300
clean: 195
Deadlift: No clue, I stopped deadlifting when I pulled my groin which persisted over an entire season. Yes, it was my own damn fault
Those are round and probably lower than what I could do tomorrow. That said, I am pretty recreational athlete who would rather play team sports than get big in a gym. Those lifts are a side effect of improving said athletic performance.
From the looks of it, you aren't even close to the level of training I am experiencing, and at 5'10" 180 lbs, I don't even consider steroids as a lagit way to get in better shape. I can and will get there naturally, even if the numbers aren't as impressive as guys like fuglydude, or colossus...any smart effort will give you good results.
FWIW:
Bench: 220
squat: 300
clean: 195
Deadlift: No clue, I stopped deadlifting when I pulled my groin which persisted over an entire season. Yes, it was my own damn fault
Those are round and probably lower than what I could do tomorrow. That said, I am pretty recreational athlete who would rather play team sports than get big in a gym. Those lifts are a side effect of improving said athletic performance.
Wasabi_Master
Don Juan
What i am trying to get is to look bigger, muscular. I dont care about extra strength or competition or how much i can bench or clean, squat, i want to look BIG...thats all...
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You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.