mrgoodstuff
Master Don Juan
They harvest attention from 95-99% 1-5% get the ran thru seasoned puzzy
"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
Dealing with an indecisive girl
- Thread starter redpiano
- Start date
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
R
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That’s why he needs to let his intentions known and fuk her already.
mrgoodstuff
Master Don Juan
Fvck her up front to verify interest and sufficient attraction
R
Ranger
Guest
Lately I’ve learned that it’s best to not beat around the bush. Like the story you told me the other day. Let those intentions be known. If she rejects there’s nothing left to talk about.
I’ve noticed that when a man is uncertain and doesn’t let his intention out that he starts thinking about her too much. If she rejects, it’s a favor. Your mind can move on. This is about sex and intimacy. This is not about drinking buddies or hunting buddies. It’s about filling all her holes and pleasing her and you.
lamath
Master Don Juan
"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"
Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."
You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.
She's been waiting forty minutes.
Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.
R
Ranger
Guest
Absolutely. It’s a sanity matter actually.
lamath
Master Don Juan
If you can get rid of the neediness and desperation.
I think its the best/man way to deal with this situation
Mike32ct
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Agreed.
It’s a tricky one because it depends on how you define “friendzone.” If you include the possibility of “friend sex,” then fine. But that implicitly assumes that she finds you at least somewhat attractive.
The term friendzone has traditionally been taken to mean “treat you like a brother” or “no sex zone” because she’s just not attracted to you AT ALL, although you’re a decent person and not a creep lol. In that case, it would be hard to get out of that “friendzone.” That’s all.
When I was in eighth grade, my aunt kept telling me that my crush was “playing hard to get.” But that advice just didn’t sit right with me at the time. I didn’t know the answer, but it just seemed off.
If I knew in eighth grade what I know now, I would have said, “No Auntie. There’s no such thing as playing hard to get. She doesn’t think I’m cute. She prefers the class Chad. Your nephew got blackpilled LOL.”
Mike32ct
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Want to get her attention. Treat her like a casual aquantance. She is not special. She doesn't get anything from you. Period. You do not lift a finger of effort for her ever again.
Go date other women. If she cares you will hear about it.
Bottom line, you shouldn't care.
Go date other women. If she cares you will hear about it.
Bottom line, you shouldn't care.
"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.
Come on man! After she turned you down twice you're still thinking about her? Fvck that. She can't simply flip her hair to get you to jump up on her lap like a puppy after she rejected you TWICE. Have a little self-respect (or no one else will, especially women). I wouldn't even acknowledge her presence unless SHE puts in some good effort to get my attention. What you need to do is simple...put your energy into finding another woman.
funny is when he did move on and find someone else, then she will really try to get to him, and that is IF everything we are guessing is real, my guts is just telling, waht she is doing is nothing to do with him and in this case just a coincidence, she need to study now hence why she is showing, or she is jsut bored to dead, tehre is nothing to do with the op, with is pretty sad
Too much time and energy is being wasted here.
So she’s orbiting. She may want to see if you’ll still give her attention and then bolt when you do.
Or she wants you to be aggressive and get to the point.
You treat employees for their performance. You never treat women for sexual interest or consideration.
Reward women for good behavior to reinforce good behavior.
So she’s orbiting. She may want to see if you’ll still give her attention and then bolt when you do.
Or she wants you to be aggressive and get to the point.
You treat employees for their performance. You never treat women for sexual interest or consideration.
Reward women for good behavior to reinforce good behavior.
Yeah I’ll keep that in mind. Thanks for everyone’s advice. If she does care I believe she hint more than just orbiting
"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
It's ok to make a few attempts but after that it's best to move along, no hard feelings towards her though, you don't have to ignore, just interact with her in a normal casual way.
In this case I'd ignore her 100% just like she did him after turning him down. Don't be the beta guy who takes his lashes and then gives her closure from the guilt and validation to move on. This will cement in her mind that she was right about putting him in the friend zone. The only exception is if she asks a direct question then you simply respond as you would to someone at the coffee shop asking you what time it is. If she says we should hang out or some such...I'd say 'kinda busy these days but drop me a note next week if you wanna meet for drinks...gotta go.'
mrgoodstuff
Master Don Juan
Your dead with the "if", "maybe", "probably" interested doesnt do that. If someone too busy let them waste someone else time.
mrgoodstuff
Master Don Juan
You can have female friends but a friendzone chick dont count as a friend. She uses you for favor and ego boost.
"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.