David deangelo (aka Mark Matthews)

[adamjones]

Jus a peice of trivia for you David Denagelo's real name is Eben Pagan...

 

[Gangster Of Love]

This is OLD NEWS. You guys are like almost a year behind. Who da hell is Mark Mathews? The author's name is Christian Carter, he spoke on the 2nd edition of DYD Avanced DAting Techniques program in Chicago.

Are you confusing Mark Mathews with Joseph Mathews, which is Thundercat's real name, and is associated with Style (Neil Strauss)? That is a different website.

The Catch Him and Keep Him project, and Christian Carter, are affiliated with the DYD business, and therefore it is the same type of style/type of website, done by David D's company. Also, David D. has never tried to hide his real name.

Even if he was the same guy, I don't see a problem. That is like saying you are really pi$$ed off that Eminem was accepted by the black rap/hip hop establishment. They are all in for the KEI$HH.

 

[john_1234]

I agree big time with Social Engineering. He hit the main point right on the head! Those books for women will not work! No ****ing way! If she isn't pretty, if I'm not attracted to her physical, there is absolutely no way in hell I'll fall for her. Even if I wanted to and tried! I guess that's an advantage us guys have over girls. We might not be that physically attractive to her, but we can do things to make her feel attracted to us. A girl on the other hand, if we don't find her physically attractive (and she's reached her max on the ten scale, meaning she's at the best she could possibly be without losing anymore weight, boob job, etc.), then there's absolutely nothing she can do to make us feel a genuine attraction to her. She can study Mark Matthews material and other stuff 10 X more than we study this **** and she still won't get any where. THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NOTHING A GIRL CAN DO TO MAKE US FEEL ATTRACTED TO HER IF WE DON'T FIND HER PHYSICALLY ATTRACTIVE.

 

[Dust 2 Dust]

I could write a dating guide for women, but if I did it would be less than 2 pages long.

Men and women are different in what attracts them. Men are more visually stimulated, this is why men prefer to look at porn and women read romance novels. Men want to screw every beautiful woman they see, but HB women will only spread her legs for a guy who displays alpha male personality traits. This is why you often hear the classic "He's good looking, but is just too nice."

Men improves their attractiveness by honing their personalities and becoming more challeging, mysterious, ****y-funny, etc. Women on the other hand improve their physical traits-fake nails, boob jobs, make up etc. because they know men are more visually stimulated and these physical traits are what attracts the men.

Women don't need strategies. All they have to do is show up, be courteous, and look hot and the guy will be hooked and fantasizing about marriage at the end of the first date.

Chapter 1: Don't Nag
Chapter 2: Don't be a flake
Chapter 3: Remember to Shave

The End

 

[Holland]

I agree big time with Social Engineering. He hit the main point right on the head! Those books for women will not work! No ****ing way! If she isn't pretty, if I'm not attracted to her physical, there is absolutely no way in hell I'll fall for her. Even if I wanted to and tried! I guess that's an advantage us guys have over girls. We might not be that physically attractive to her, but we can do things to make her feel attracted to us. A girl on the other hand, if we don't find her physically attractive (and she's reached her max on the ten scale, meaning she's at the best she could possibly be without losing anymore weight, boob job, etc.), then there's absolutely nothing she can do to make us feel a genuine attraction to her. She can study Mark Matthews material and other stuff 10 X more than we study this **** and she still won't get any where. THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NOTHING A GIRL CAN DO TO MAKE US FEEL ATTRACTED TO HER IF WE DON'T FIND HER PHYSICALLY ATTRACTIVE.

That is soooo ****ing true. We sure may be glad that women don't judge us on our looks as much as we do with them. Let's face it, the ugly women will never get a great lover. They may get a nice (desperate) husband, but they'll never going to get a great lover (without the help of mr. plastic surgery)


Now this line on that site is lame! :

I've been very fortunate in life in that I've never had a hard time meeting women or getting dates... but finding a woman who can keep my interest and attention has always been a different story...

DD is just an example of how to make big money. And I don't think there is anything wrong with that. It's not like he is telling everyone B.S. about how attraction works. In fact, he wouldn't be so succesfull is he did. Besides, I never paid for any of his stuff. Not because I thought it wasn't worth the money, but just because I couldn't afford it :crackup:
So no, I do not feel faked at all.

 

[a difficult guy]

Originally posted by john_1234
I agree big time with Social Engineering. He hit the main point right on the head! Those books for women will not work! No ****ing way! If she isn't pretty, if I'm not attracted to her physical, there is absolutely no way in hell I'll fall for her. Even if I wanted to and tried! I guess that's an advantage us guys have over girls. We might not be that physically attractive to her, but we can do things to make her feel attracted to us. A girl on the other hand, if we don't find her physically attractive (and she's reached her max on the ten scale, meaning she's at the best she could possibly be without losing anymore weight, boob job, etc.), then there's absolutely nothing she can do to make us feel a genuine attraction to her. She can study Mark Matthews material and other stuff 10 X more than we study this **** and she still won't get any where. THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NOTHING A GIRL CAN DO TO MAKE US FEEL ATTRACTED TO HER IF WE DON'T FIND HER PHYSICALLY ATTRACTIVE.

definitely true. At best, she can become a friend.

 

[TillTheEndOfTime]

Originally posted by Social Engineering
Woman are way more complex.

This is a blatant lie that society has been brainwashing you with. Women are very, very simple creatures. They work more on emotion and less logic when it comes to attraction. That's about it. They're still human like men.

 

[DonJuanMonk]

I just wanted to say that anyone who has a last name Italiano-style is a sleazeball.

Just wanted to let you know.

 

[DonJuanMonk]

Originally posted by TillTheEndOfTime
This is a blatant lie that society has been brainwashing you with. Women are very, very simple creatures. They work more on emotion and less logic when it comes to attraction. That's about it. They're still human like men.

Emotions are complex, so essentially he is right. And I don't think they work with less logic if you say they're simple they do indeed work with logic. They just can incorporate their emotions quite well when it comes into play which is also can be their weakness if they lose control over it.

 

[KarmaSutra]

Originally posted by DonJuanMonk
I just wanted to say that anyone who has a last name Italiano-style is a sleazeball.

Just wanted to let you know.

"fuggetaboutit!"

 

[TillTheEndOfTime]

Originally posted by DonJuanMonk
Emotions are complex, so essentially he is right. And I don't think they work with less logic if you say they're simple they do indeed work with logic. They just can incorporate their emotions quite well when it comes into play which is also can be their weakness if they lose control over it.

In a way this is right, but look at it this way. We as men, try figuring out women with logic, when they don't necessarily work on logic. So we're really using the wrong tools for the job. Any job can look more complex than it really is when you use the wrong tools. Try tightening a screw with a hammer, you'll find it is pretty difficult.

What I've found is that it is really easy to play with the head of women, but it is the ones you don't NEED to play with that are the keepers (LTR material). The ones you need to play with are generally immature and incapable of holding a real relationship.

 

[The Juan and only]

I still stick by Dave's techniques and I can see why he'd want to branch out into helping women.

If you get the regular DYD newsletter you'll know that women often email him, saying that his techniques are working for them (when in reality its just a coincidence?). Actually Dave has been saying for a while that he's should do a program for women...so yes, obviously money is involved and he's trying to get richer (who isn't?)..however the fact remains that his techniques ARE effective (at least for men)....I don't think this latest initiative will be very successful (as he has no personal experience picking up men)..but who knows.

 

[ikkenai]

You crybaby morons.

By the way, David Deangelo is a psudonym. And now he's writing under another psyudonym. Big ****ing deal.

Spend more time gaming and less time complaining.

 

[DiMallio]

this is always the danger IMO..... if every girl knew what kind of stuff a DJ is likely to come out with then maybe all the techniques used could be powerless in the future....(only the really strong would survive so i'm ok...lol..)

i wonder if DD is doing a seminar with women does he show them the things he teaches men so they can be ready for men who go out sarging..

the whole thing does smell of sellout but still not sure if it is him....

 

[brucevangeorge]

Who cares if he's a sellout? You actually think that hot chicks will buy this ****?

"Be ready for men sarging." Are you ever going to sarge a fatty? I didn't think so. Stop thinking so much.

 

[A-Unit]

Re:

His program will crash burn...

Because...

Girls WE want, won't put any effort forth to improve themselves. The desirable women WON'T need this 'ish. They'll just try to RE-engineer their CURRENT guy by Oprahizing him

Girls WE Don't want, will flock to it, but that won't change their looks in most cases.


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Again, tactics don't work. The geek at a DYD seminar or Ross Jeffries one, is only improving 1 area of his, his ability with women. The rest remains all FUBAR. If he worked RIGHT to the core, tactics would NEVER be felt or seen, because he wouldn't need them. Like an Army, they would simply be a PIECE of his weaponary, and not his WHOLE Army and Weaponary.

A man's attractice features are exuded AROUND him, THROUGH him, and FROM him, even when he's not around.

1. It's how he carries himself with her parents or friends [Not taught by dating programs].
2. IT IS his future prospects with income, wealth, and job, because if you're RICH, she has no problem knowing if she's prego, you can afford her and the child.
3. It's how he plans and handles dates. Each Girl is diff, and it's unique to EACH Guy. You must learn the unique places in your area, what you can afford, and be able to know things like 'make plans WAAAY ahead at the restaurant.
4. It's how he handles HIS LIFE. Does he work out, or if she came by some evening are you playing games or beating it?
5. Are you improving? Or does her future feature some couch loaf?
6. ETC.

Sure, a ONS might not MATTER THIS MUCH, but believe me, if you can HOOK girls for long-term stuff, SHORT-TERM STUFF IS EASY.

You'll realize your life and who you are are the BIGGEST Attractors or REPELLERS of people, things, money and women in your life. Your life is LITERALLY the canvas upon which you paint, and it becomes your PERSONAL ADVERTISEMENT. Make no mistake, read the dating stuff, apply it, absorb it, reject. I own tons, even a corny system called "Seduce and Conquer," but it's not my bible. I am.




A-Unit

 

[Tweek_1984]

Wow, this is pretty suprising.

So is DeAngelos material still kosher or is it all BS?

 

[Gangster Of Love]

Originally posted by Tweek_1984
Wow, this is pretty suprising.

So is DeAngelos material still kosher or is it all BS?

Most posters on this thread suffer from selective listening/reading. Or ADD.

The guy running that website is not David Deangelo, it is Christian Carter, and he's doing a different program for women. it is affiliated with DYD, but it is not the same guy. I don't even know where the original poster got the name Mark Mathews.

 

[StringShredder]

This is nothing new. It's mentioned in the Wikipedia article about him that he also has material for women.

Supposedly, one notable difference is that in his materials targetting women, he says that he was always successful with women.

Whereas with the guys, he says that he started as a loser and figured his way out of that.

 

[StringShredder]

Originally posted by john_1234
I agree big time with Social Engineering. He hit the main point right on the head! Those books for women will not work! No ****ing way! If she isn't pretty, if I'm not attracted to her physical, there is absolutely no way in hell I'll fall for her.

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THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NOTHING A GIRL CAN DO TO MAKE US FEEL ATTRACTED TO HER IF WE DON'T FIND HER PHYSICALLY ATTRACTIVE.

So what? The dating doctors for men also say you have to pass the physical attraction test (the honest ones!).

A woman could still use help getting guys.

There are women who are fairly attractive, or even very attractive, and still have trouble finding a guy. Just like men.

They face various challenges too that are not that known to us.

For instance, there are lots of men who just want sex from a woman.

What's it like to have that problem? Shrug.

We do have different levels of or kinds of attraction to women. There are some we would screw, but not stay with.

Sometimes our d!ck tells us one thing, but our drive toward social status tells us another thing. She may make you horny enough that you want to bang her, but isn't the kind of "arm candy" material you can show off.

A woman has to be able to navigate through this masculine mine field somehow. Hee hee.