"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
David deangelo (aka Mark Matthews)
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"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
Gangster Of Love
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Are you confusing Mark Mathews with Joseph Mathews, which is Thundercat's real name, and is associated with Style (Neil Strauss)? That is a different website.
The Catch Him and Keep Him project, and Christian Carter, are affiliated with the DYD business, and therefore it is the same type of style/type of website, done by David D's company. Also, David D. has never tried to hide his real name.
Even if he was the same guy, I don't see a problem. That is like saying you are really pi$$ed off that Eminem was accepted by the black rap/hip hop establishment. They are all in for the KEI$HH.
Dust 2 Dust
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Men and women are different in what attracts them. Men are more visually stimulated, this is why men prefer to look at porn and women read romance novels. Men want to screw every beautiful woman they see, but HB women will only spread her legs for a guy who displays alpha male personality traits. This is why you often hear the classic "He's good looking, but is just too nice."
Men improves their attractiveness by honing their personalities and becoming more challeging, mysterious, ****y-funny, etc. Women on the other hand improve their physical traits-fake nails, boob jobs, make up etc. because they know men are more visually stimulated and these physical traits are what attracts the men.
Women don't need strategies. All they have to do is show up, be courteous, and look hot and the guy will be hooked and fantasizing about marriage at the end of the first date.
Chapter 1: Don't Nag
Chapter 2: Don't be a flake
Chapter 3: Remember to Shave
The End
That is soooo ****ing true. We sure may be glad that women don't judge us on our looks as much as we do with them. Let's face it, the ugly women will never get a great lover. They may get a nice (desperate) husband, but they'll never going to get a great lover (without the help of mr. plastic surgery)
Now this line on that site is lame! :
DD is just an example of how to make big money. And I don't think there is anything wrong with that. It's not like he is telling everyone B.S. about how attraction works. In fact, he wouldn't be so succesfull is he did. Besides, I never paid for any of his stuff. Not because I thought it wasn't worth the money, but just because I couldn't afford it :crackup:
So no, I do not feel faked at all.
"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
a difficult guy
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definitely true. At best, she can become a friend.
TillTheEndOfTime
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This is a blatant lie that society has been brainwashing you with. Women are very, very simple creatures. They work more on emotion and less logic when it comes to attraction. That's about it. They're still human like men.
DonJuanMonk
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Just wanted to let you know.
DonJuanMonk
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Emotions are complex, so essentially he is right. And I don't think they work with less logic if you say they're simple they do indeed work with logic. They just can incorporate their emotions quite well when it comes into play which is also can be their weakness if they lose control over it.
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"fuggetaboutit!"
"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.
TillTheEndOfTime
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In a way this is right, but look at it this way. We as men, try figuring out women with logic, when they don't necessarily work on logic. So we're really using the wrong tools for the job. Any job can look more complex than it really is when you use the wrong tools. Try tightening a screw with a hammer, you'll find it is pretty difficult.
What I've found is that it is really easy to play with the head of women, but it is the ones you don't NEED to play with that are the keepers (LTR material). The ones you need to play with are generally immature and incapable of holding a real relationship.
The Juan and only
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If you get the regular DYD newsletter you'll know that women often email him, saying that his techniques are working for them (when in reality its just a coincidence?). Actually Dave has been saying for a while that he's should do a program for women...so yes, obviously money is involved and he's trying to get richer (who isn't?)..however the fact remains that his techniques ARE effective (at least for men)....I don't think this latest initiative will be very successful (as he has no personal experience picking up men
)..but who knows.i wonder if DD is doing a seminar with women does he show them the things he teaches men so they can be ready for men who go out sarging..
the whole thing does smell of sellout but still not sure if it is him....
brucevangeorge
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"Be ready for men sarging." Are you ever going to sarge a fatty? I didn't think so. Stop thinking so much.
“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”
Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.
Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers. Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.
I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.
His program will crash burn...
Because...
Girls WE want, won't put any effort forth to improve themselves. The desirable women WON'T need this 'ish. They'll just try to RE-engineer their CURRENT guy by Oprahizing him
Girls WE Don't want, will flock to it, but that won't change their looks in most cases.
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Again, tactics don't work. The geek at a DYD seminar or Ross Jeffries one, is only improving 1 area of his, his ability with women. The rest remains all FUBAR. If he worked RIGHT to the core, tactics would NEVER be felt or seen, because he wouldn't need them. Like an Army, they would simply be a PIECE of his weaponary, and not his WHOLE Army and Weaponary.
A man's attractice features are exuded AROUND him, THROUGH him, and FROM him, even when he's not around.
1. It's how he carries himself with her parents or friends [Not taught by dating programs].
2. IT IS his future prospects with income, wealth, and job, because if you're RICH, she has no problem knowing if she's prego, you can afford her and the child.
3. It's how he plans and handles dates. Each Girl is diff, and it's unique to EACH Guy. You must learn the unique places in your area, what you can afford, and be able to know things like 'make plans WAAAY ahead at the restaurant.
4. It's how he handles HIS LIFE. Does he work out, or if she came by some evening are you playing games or beating it?
5. Are you improving? Or does her future feature some couch loaf?
6. ETC.
Sure, a ONS might not MATTER THIS MUCH, but believe me, if you can HOOK girls for long-term stuff, SHORT-TERM STUFF IS EASY.
You'll realize your life and who you are are the BIGGEST Attractors or REPELLERS of people, things, money and women in your life. Your life is LITERALLY the canvas upon which you paint, and it becomes your PERSONAL ADVERTISEMENT. Make no mistake, read the dating stuff, apply it, absorb it, reject. I own tons, even a corny system called "Seduce and Conquer," but it's not my bible. I am.
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So is DeAngelos material still kosher or is it all BS?
Gangster Of Love
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Most posters on this thread suffer from selective listening/reading. Or ADD.
The guy running that website is not David Deangelo, it is Christian Carter, and he's doing a different program for women. it is affiliated with DYD, but it is not the same guy. I don't even know where the original poster got the name Mark Mathews.
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Supposedly, one notable difference is that in his materials targetting women, he says that he was always successful with women.
Whereas with the guys, he says that he started as a loser and figured his way out of that.
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So what? The dating doctors for men also say you have to pass the physical attraction test (the honest ones!).
A woman could still use help getting guys.
There are women who are fairly attractive, or even very attractive, and still have trouble finding a guy. Just like men.
They face various challenges too that are not that known to us.
For instance, there are lots of men who just want sex from a woman.
What's it like to have that problem? Shrug.
We do have different levels of or kinds of attraction to women. There are some we would screw, but not stay with.
Sometimes our d!ck tells us one thing, but our drive toward social status tells us another thing. She may make you horny enough that you want to bang her, but isn't the kind of "arm candy" material you can show off.
A woman has to be able to navigate through this masculine mine field somehow. Hee hee.
"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.