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TL;DR:
She showed clear signs of discomfort before stating her boundary, and without knowing her true intentions, it’s likely OP misread the situation, thinking it was a date while she may have just been casually vetting him. A guy she was more attracted to would’ve likely started further along in the interaction and faced less resistance.

Due to the many ideologies surrounding this and the complexity of the question, I’ll try to keep my response as concise as possible:

First and foremost, seduction is the process of drawing someone in, making them want you, pursue you, and ultimately possess you. The reason why you want someone to desire you can vary (sex, money, power, popularity, the challenge, being enjoyable to be around, etc.), but the game is mutual: both parties are seducing each other at the same time.

Seduction generally follows a similar progression: interest → desire → emotional connection/attachment → physicality/sex. If both parties are equally attracted to each other, they’ll start around the same point and both will need to invest the same amount of effort. However, if one is much more interested than the other, say, the stereotypical “creepy guy” with oneitis for the cheerleader, he’ll have to put in significantly more work just to get her to the starting line, while she might already be in the emotional connection phase just by being aware of his interest.

With this in mind: yes, if she were more attracted to another guy, he would’ve started further along in the seduction process than OP did.

Please be aware just because two people sleep together with mutual consent doesn’t mean seduction took place.


As for the other question: most women only start communicating like men, directly, when they see that subtle cues aren’t being picked up. Before she told him directly that she likes to take things slow, she was signalling that indirectly through:
  • Pulling away slightly when he put his hand on her back
  • Visibly showing annoyance when he stroked her hair
  • Saying she doesn’t like to be touched
  • Not reciprocating any physical affection
  • Giggling at flirtation, but not escalating or encouraging further touch
I don’t think this was a **** test. It looked like a clear attempt to set a boundary.

That said, we don’t know her real intentions or her POV. She may have just wanted a free drink, an ego boost, or never intended to get to know OP at all. This is why I don’t ask women out right away, I prefer to let them invest in me a bit first to screen out situations like this. Personally, I think she briefly placed him at the top of her orbiters to vet whether he was worth further effort, while OP may have thought he was already on a second date.

Ultimately, advice here is always like shooting in the dark, because we don’t know the full story. OP may have left out key details—intentionally or not—that could shift the interpretation completely on or against his behalf even further.
This is good, but guys who are having issues with escalating, telling him "seduction is a process" a guy who doesn't know how it works, it means nothing. The clearer the intention the better. Who gives a fvck what she thinks if he's creepy or not, a guy who has never escalated reads this and says "fvck no, I can't let a 120 lbs woman call me creepy, that will destry my life" and then they end up like OP coping with being physically incompatibility jerking off in his bed. At least if he would have gone for the kiss, he would have the satisfaction that he got balls. ABC Always Be Closing.
 

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This is good, but guys who are having issues with escalating, telling him "seduction is a process" a guy who doesn't know how it works, it means nothing. The clearer the intention the better. Who gives a fvck what she thinks if he's creepy or not, a guy who has never escalated reads this and says "fvck no, I can't let a 120 lbs woman call me creepy, that will destry my life" and then they end up like OP coping with being physically incompatibility jerking off in his bed. At least if he would have gone for the kiss, he would have the satisfaction that he got balls. ABC Always Be Closing.
Everyone gave their opinion on why OP didn’t sleep with or kiss the girl on the first hangout, and the general conclusion was that he was either impulsive, misread the room, or got butthurt when she told him to chill. Personally, I don’t think his problem is escalation. He can keep escalating like this, but for it to work, he either needs to raise his SMV so he starts further along in the process, or find women who are already into him at the level his SMV sits. It’s completely valid if he doesn’t want to “talk” with a girl for a couple of weeks before sex, or if he expects a kiss on the first hangout; he’s an adult and can set his own terms for how he plays the game. And it’s just as valid if he decides to text the girl that he’s no longer interested and walks away. Everyone has their own standards.
 

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Some chicks are weird when touching their hair...

I had a similar situation with this attractive doctor that had a banging body that I met a few years ago and we had an amazing first date, lots of kino, making out, etc...met up with her the next week for the second date and I was standing in line behind her at some quick service restaurant that we went to before we moved onto to somewhere else and she didn't say anything but after the date she texted me and was upset that I touched her hair and was like "you don't know me like that and you are touching my hair??"

Needless to say there was no 3rd date...

Moral of the story? Some women have issues with things most women don't, and you'll never know what those are ahead of time usually.

Nothing you can do but chalk it up to the game and move forward.
 
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OP,

First, good job on getting a same-day date. That’s always impressive and is rare to have happen. I’ve only had that happen twice I believe.

I think it’s safe to assume that, despite what you may believe, this girl was picking up on your frustration to her being resistant towards you. The fact you noticed her shy away a bit as you were walking into the venue probably changed your overall attitude towards her without you even realizing it. She likely picked up on it, and it doomed the rest of the night. You still could have recovered I think at multiple instances. But the text at the end wasn’t a good look. Don’t do that as it looks incredibly butt hurt and not masculine in any way.

True that none of us were there. But this is just common sense if you understand women. They have a 6th sense for this and your negative emotions were probably palpable to her even if you didn’t think so. Those are complete mood killers.
 

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I wouldn't call this woman a goth. She seems like a heavily tattooed Gen Z woman. She would be more attractive with 0 tattoos or 1-2 small tattoos.

Millennial and Gen Z women are obsessed with tattoos.
They are and it's an annoying trend.
 
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