"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Cleared it with the mods! A thread I’ve wanted to do for years. Post your real life picture let the community help fix your looks!(completely optiona)

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Just a quick picture, I dropped 100 pounds real difference in face. Still considered Obese and need to drop another 50lbs but at least I got jawline now. Hitting the gym everyday and watching what I eat will do body shots in another 4 months.
That is incredibly impressive!

I'm 10 lbs. overweight compared to my college days, and I struggle to get that weight off. I've lost a couple pounds in the last two weeks, just being a bit more careful about how much I eat. I eat a huge amount, I'd estimate 3,000 calories a day, if not more. I probably need to work on that but if I eat less, I feel hungry.

I still exercise and workout but I was far more active in my college years.

I have little incentive though: it makes no difference in my appeal.

i wish i could workout, or lift, or run...

the only physical things I can really do is walk/hike, swim, bike and fvck
You can start out with body weight resistance training: pushups, pull-ups, crunches if you haven't been lifting weights. It's just more convenient for me to do pushups or pull-ups at home and get in a quick workout.
 

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i wish i could workout, or lift, or run...

the only physical things I can really do is walk/hike, swim, bike and fvck
I'm just the opposite. I can and do lift with nearly zero barriers. But I have a pinched nerve that gives me hip pain so if I try to run it takes over long before my cardio runs out. I'm trying to get it resolved so I can run 5 x miles like I used to.
 

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Yea that’s 100% clean eating.. protein and veggies & no alcohol .. doesn’t look like roids. That’s a man with superhuman self control also good genes.
Genes can help for sure, but at his age (i think he is about the same as me)
You still need a **** load of will power to get there.
Low af bf with low water retention.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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@cola @lamath @EyeBRollin

I'm over 45 and the pics are within the past 6-12 months. Haha, no, have never taken steroids. It's a result of good ol' fashion hard work, self-discipline, and dedication. "Elbow Grease" as my grandfather called it.

Diet is strict but simple:
  • 2200 calories per day max
  • 100g carbs per day max (most important component)
  • Heavy on avocados, almonds, eggs, chicken, spinach, feta.
  • No processed foods, no fast food, no "white" carbs, no sugar (use agave), no junk food. Smear some peanut butter on a corn tortilla for a snack.
  • 40g protein shake + 5g creatine immediately after every workout.
  • No alcohol at home when alone, ever. Only when socializing and in moderation. Whiskey over beer.
Workout routine is also simple but strict:
  • Weight lifting 3-4x week. Go heavy, 6-8 reps per set. Hit each body part 2-3x/week.
  • Cardio 3-4x week. I run 2 miles before every workout during winter, bike to gym in summer.
  • I also hike 2-4 miles every day with a 90# Doberman. Some days it's hike with Doberman (3 miles), go to gym run 2 miles, hit the weights for 75 minutes, back home, shower, make dinner, sit down, eat, look at clock: 10:00 PM. My mantra: "I'm done when I'm done."
Good luck, gents.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Imo cola advise is spot on.
You are almost at your best just lose a few lbs and even your face will look better and more define.


How old are you if you dont mind me asking?
I'm 40 yrs old. Thanks for the advice for cutting up. Im gonna diet soon.
 

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@cola @lamath @EyeBRollin

I'm over 45 and the pics are within the past 6-12 months. Haha, no, have never taken steroids. It's a result of good ol' fashion hard work, self-discipline, and dedication. "Elbow Grease" as my grandfather called it.

Diet is strict but simple:
  • 2200 calories per day max
  • 100g carbs per day max (most important component)
  • Heavy on avocados, almonds, eggs, chicken, spinach, feta.
  • No processed foods, no fast food, no "white" carbs, no sugar (use agave), no junk food. Smear some peanut butter on a corn tortilla for a snack.
  • 40g protein shake + 5g creatine immediately after every workout.
  • No alcohol at home when alone, ever. Only when socializing and in moderation. Whiskey over beer.
Workout routine is also simple but strict:
  • Weight lifting 3-4x week. Go heavy, 6-8 reps per set. Hit each body part 2-3x/week.
  • Cardio 3-4x week. I run 2 miles before every workout during winter, bike to gym in summer.
  • I also hike 2-4 miles every day with a 90# Doberman. Some days it's hike with Doberman (3 miles), go to gym run 2 miles, hit the weights for 75 minutes, back home, shower, make dinner, sit down, eat, look at clock: 10:00 PM. My mantra: "I'm done when I'm done."
Good luck, gents.
Over 45? That’s incredible. What age range do you date? Mid late 20s, early 30s?
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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@cola @lamath @EyeBRollin

I'm over 45 and the pics are within the past 6-12 months. Haha, no, have never taken steroids. It's a result of good ol' fashion hard work, self-discipline, and dedication. "Elbow Grease" as my grandfather called it.
Objectively, I would say your delts are much too large relative to the rest of your physique. It’s asymmetrical. This is very subtle but some women will find your look as “too big” which sounds weird because you aren’t “huge” otherwise. This would be what they’re responding to.

Other than that, you look better than 99.9% of men your age.
 

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I walk around at 6’1 230 although a lot of it is muscle I’d like to get to about 220-215 by this summmer.
Probably should. Here in Florida I weigh less in summer simply due to water loss from sweating more and naturally eating less because the heat takes my appetite away .
 

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Over 45? That’s incredible. What age range do you date? Mid late 20s, early 30s?
Well, we'll have to define "date," haha. I use some hookup sites (mainly SDM and SA) and pull chicks 23-29. One was 18 and messaged me first. I was a little leery but went for it. She was 5'7 and built like a woman, not a girl. Probably the hottest f*uck I've ever had. Sweet as pie too. That aside, for legit dating, my ideal range is 33-43, but it's slim pickings. My standards have gone way up. I have gone out with a few from Hinge and Bumble. Honestly, just not all that interested in "dating" right now.
 

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Well, we'll have to define "date," haha. I use some hookup sites (mainly SDM and SA) and pull chicks 23-29. One was 18 and messaged me first. I was a little leery but went for it. She was 5'7 and built like a woman, not a girl. Probably the hottest f*uck I've ever had. Sweet as pie too. That aside, for legit dating, my ideal range is 33-43, but it's slim pickings. My standards have gone way up. I have gone out with a few from Hinge and Bumble. Honestly, just not all that interested in "dating" right now.
From an outside view idk how id feel about sdm ans sa.

Not sure how it works but seems like paying to get some.
 

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Funny, cause I've used the first 2 pics I posted in this thread on OLD and I almost literally didn't get shyt lol, except for a very few women I'd rather be celibate than have sex with which I decided the hard way. OLD has just been a total no go for me. Meanwhile you are hauling in more pvssy than you have time to fvck every week, hahahaha.

I'll tell my barber to cut me like that pic, and get a shadow trimmer.



That's right, you can't really see any detail though.
I can't see why you are not getting better reply rates on OLD when you're in decent shape and not bad looking but then you got poster in their 50s on here who is not a chad and yet he slays. I'm think it has to be your location issue and that because you should be getting better reply rates.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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