"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
Building sexual attraction by picking, but what if you go too far?
- Thread starter Trace
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"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
I've gone too far, but it wasn't because of being creepy. It was more because she didn't have a sense of humor. Don't attempt to come back from it. Her lack of a sense of humor really isn't your problem.Trace said:
If I can't build a little playful sexual tension with a woman, I lose interest pretty fast.
Now if you said some genuinely creepy stuff, then you may want to re-evaluate your approach. What pushed her too far?
I was invited to go see a country band with back stage passes. I took pictures and sent a couple to her from there and with the various artists that were back there.
I knew one of the bar tenders, so she gave me the hook up. So I was kinda intoxicated and rubbed it in just a little too think.
"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
Greasy Pig
Master Don Juan
I went through the same thing recently. Negged her a bit too hard and she got well p1ssed off. Told me if I thought she was that ugly to basically fvck off.
Don't take the bait and get into an argument or apologise. Just give her some space and let her stew on her actions.
If she gets back in touch, play it very cool and keep your answers short. Get her hamster spinning.
Then when you see her next, and if the topic of the pics comes up, just laugh it off and change the subject.
If she's still p1ssed, she's a fvcking psycho. Ditch her.
Scaramouche
Master Don Juan
Good luck to you,my experience is that there is no going back....give it a miss!
scrouds
Master Don Juan
Either send her a short note that you're not going to make it, or if you really want to play the ashole just no-show and if she calls to see what's up just tell her you're tired.
"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.
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I used to do this when being ****y funny. If you do it too much then you're just an ass. What you've got to do is get experience figuring out where the line it. If you cross it, realize you've got to rebuild a lot of comfort. Neil Strauss once talked about this and had a routine for it. He'd say he didn't mean to offender her, that he and his sister would bust on each other as a way of showing their affection and it was just his way of showing he liked her. It's pretty crafty in that it rebuilds comfort, shows vulnerability, and reframes everything in a positive light. It also creates what would have been a frak up into a giant form of push-pull in terms of lots of negative emotions swinging up to lots of positive emotions. That large scale emotional juggling is what the hottest women tend to crave.Trace said:
Thanks for this Nutz. This actually happened to me last week. I was busting on a girl pretty non stop and it turned into silent treatment from her. Was pondering what the best way to work back from that was. You answered it, thanks.Nutz said:
Atom Smasher
Master Don Juan
The nice and more wholesome the girl (and ok, the uglier too), the less you need to push her buttons in the sense of teasing. Those girls will react negatively (hurt, insulted, etc.)
Of course once you do bother her it's almost never good to apologize. An explanation like Strauss's could be appropriate, but apologies will almost always set you back as far as her esteem and respect for you go. Better to err on the side of AH than nice guy.
You have to gauge them before you gouge them.