Why "Whatever You Want" Keeps You Single

She says the movie looks dumb; you suddenly agree. She tests you with a little attitude; you apologize for nothing.

You think you're being easy to get along with. She reads something else entirely: a man with no edges. Nothing to hold on to. No friction, no tension, no reason to wonder what he really thinks.

The "22 Rules" taught me to push back — playfully, calmly, without needing her approval. Strange things happened after that.

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^^ also, reading just stories or fiction or plays, books that could be made into movies one day (but never do cause THEY don't want that mindset or mentality to leach out into the public mind) puts you into the mind or situation(s) of the character(s) you're visualizing and what they say and do and you can implement that sequence of events into your interactions with women and she won't know what hit them/her. I remember what you visualized and that visualization is unique to Your mind and may be terribly separate from what the author envisioned or was trying to convey, but it's yours and you can become the character you visualize to interact with women based on a character you've read and branch off from it. Long-term this may not work but for short-term lays, yes. You're building pathways when you read. No one has the same pathways internalized. We're all different, unless we Don't read.
That's another reason why it's really important to always be reading a book. I'm aiming for 20 books a year, audiobooks and regular books.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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That's why I like Leils stuff. It's bite size like how to do a better handshake. you should take one thing like that and practice it for a month at all your social gatherings. Then choose the next one.

Most guys try and learn three things at once and nothing is learnt.
 

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That's why I like Leils stuff. It's bite size like how to do a better handshake. you should take one thing like that and practice it for a month at all your social gatherings. Then choose the next one.

Most guys try and learn three things at once and nothing is learnt.
I've thought that too but a lot of guys try to learn like 100 things at once. I agree it's better to pick one thing and ingrain it like a habit before moving on. That can be kind of slow and boring though, so people aren't often patient enough to do it that way.
 

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There is no substitute for experience. But you can make it easy on yourself by proving to your brain bad thing will not happen when you talk to random people. So if you are working an area or crowd why not start of with simple things like asking for directions or when an event starts, then segway into something else.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Please could you elaborate on this point.
Moral hazard is an insurance or economics term.

It means when you know you have a safety net, or a backup plan, it changes your behavior, from a subconscious standpoint.

Studies have shown, for example, that making stricter seat belt laws can actually increase property damage, as more people wearing seatbelts feel slightly more protected and drive slighty more erratic.

What humans normally HAD to get from other humans (recognition, friends, respect, admiration, etc.) they can now largely get much EASIER on social media.

This creates a degredation in general strength of character.

Before social media, and online dating, people could ONLY get things DIRECTLY from other people, so they had to be on their best behavior.

No more.
 

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Mystery Method had a really good section on conversation strings. He really breaks down how conversations with people work, change subjects, etc.

I will also recommend How To Win Friends & Influence People
I was thinking about this thread and I wanted to bring it back. So after taking some action I already know that seduction material is really effective for actually landing the chicks. As long as you use one resource at a time. But, would you say that things like the conversation style in Mystery Method can be used to socialize with guys and make lots more friends as well?

Except without the touching/escalating/flirting/teasing and the end goal is to have new friends instead of sleeping with them obviously lol.

Alpha Male Strategies says that trying to make new guy friends is just like trying to get girls on dates. If they're cool with you, they'll make it easy to hang out. But if not, they'll just make excuses and blow you off.

So theoretically, could you use seduction material like Mystery Method to help give you a baseline for general social skills with guys? Or even girls that you're not trying to bang but want to befriend to increase the size of your social circle.
 
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Also, I hear lots of Robert Greene suggestions in here. Seduction and 48 Laws of Power are most definitely on my to-read list. Very long books too.
 

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Pretty soon people are going to need books on how to go to the bathroom and how to tie their shoelaces.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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would you say that things like the conversation style in Mystery Method can be used to socialize with guys and make lots more friends as well?
Yes it can. He goes through "conversation strings" which I thought was fantastic. The main reason why he went into conversation as a whole topic is so you can dominate the conversation at a table with other people. He dissects the 5hit out of conversation and it's probably one of the best things I've read on the subject. If you get the book for nothing else, get it for the subject of conversation.
 

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Mystery the PUA wound up in a mental asylum. He's now an expert in "strapped to a gurney in a straitjacket" game.
 

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Mystery the PUA wound up in a mental asylum. He's now an expert in "strapped to a gurney in a straitjacket" game.
Yeah that's what I mean by "pickup isn't viable long term." But tbh, I only need it for 15 or so years while I'm getting my money right and building my empire. So I can make sure I have my intimacy in the meantime. I have no interest in getting married so I shouldn't burn out like a lot of the PUAs did.
 

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The Fine Art of Small Talk by Debra Fine

She was a socially inept introvert and an engineer as a profession. She is now an author about conversation. Her book goes into everything from conversation strings, how to pass the conversation, how to engage & disengage & include others and it also covers how NOT to be annoying to everyone else (like the one-upper).

It is thorough and a simple straightforward read.

Yes it’s written by a chick. But it’s a great and reasonably brief book packed with practical and situational advice.

I refer to my copy from time to time. Great book on exactly this topic.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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How to win friends and influence people

How to talk to people

How to win people

The best practice is join a club or activity and practice there. And you will improve.
 

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I can't decide which troll account is more hilarious: biggoal or nicksaiz. Both of those guys are pretty funny. :)
 

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I was thinking about this thread and I wanted to bring it back. So after taking some action I already know that seduction material is really effective for actually landing the chicks. As long as you use one resource at a time. But, would you say that things like the conversation style in Mystery Method can be used to socialize with guys and make lots more friends as well?

Except without the touching/escalating/flirting/teasing and the end goal is to have new friends instead of sleeping with them obviously lol.

Alpha Male Strategies says that trying to make new guy friends is just like trying to get girls on dates. If they're cool with you, they'll make it easy to hang out. But if not, they'll just make excuses and blow you off.

So theoretically, could you use seduction material like Mystery Method to help give you a baseline for general social skills with guys? Or even girls that you're not trying to bang but want to befriend to increase the size of your social circle.
yes, it works.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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