"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
Being late 15 min for first date good or na?
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"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
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marmel75
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^^^This
devilkingx2
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think of it like a neg, you neg a model, not a chubby 6 or a depressed goth chick (those are just examples, you're probably not going to date chubby 6's nor victoria's secret angels, but you get the idea)
"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"
When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.
Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.
Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.
The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.
Igetit!
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Why don't you try this tactic at your place of employment a few times,and let us know how it goes.
Show up 30 min late and some women will have sex with you.
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marmel75
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Lol she would be on a date before you got there with someone else
"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
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When I finally walked in and sat down she was BRIGHT RED. I was expecting some sort of rage, but instead she just said "I was psyched to meet you and now over the twenty minutes I've just become really nervous."
That's right - for some reason she was nervous and embarrassed because I was late...!
Anyway I broke the usual rules and picked up the meal as recompense, drove her home, made out in my car.
IMO be a gent about it. Don't bust your arse to get their early (and if she leaves after 10 mins she's just a b*tch), but at the same time if you're very late - you should offer to pick up the tab or otherwise politely apologise (without being a siss about it).
devilkingx2
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This is the other thing to consider.
On the one hand, an HB6 is used to being treated badly by guys, so if you want that first date anal show up with flowers. But she'll be way more forgiving of your bull**** for the same reason
On the other hand an HB9 is likely used to being treated like a princess, so if you show up looking like you walked out of bed, still wearing your pajamas, 15 minutes late. You'll stand out from every other guy but also consider that she'll probably not put up with a whole lot of BS because she doesn't have to
It's a balancing act, show up too late and she'll be on a different date when you get there, but if you find the sweet spot and show up only a little late you'll give off a really alpha IDGAF vibe