"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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article: Why older women and younger men are a perfect match

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Who Dares Win

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The only reason a fvck buddy relation between and older woman and a younger man could be a temporary good idea is that both the groups have a lower smv.

A guy in his 20s has plenty of problems to get girls his age as much as a woman in her 40s has to get men in her age group so to make it easier for both, they could match.

However no point in anything serious from that, once the guy gets his sh1t togheter he will be able to get younger girls which are a better option of both his d1ck and and his brain.

Personally being in my mid 30s I have no desire for women my age, let alone older ones, I'm fine with girls in their mid 20s.

Needless to say I have no intention to get married at this point, it would have been an option in my late 20s with a much younger girl, nowadays even mid 20s girls are full of baggage.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Wrong biological move for younger men.
Women at 35 y.o will have lesser chance to get impregnated and higher chance of producing retarded babies.
That's certainly true, men will always desire younger women, it's just biology. When I was in my 20s, I had a crush on an older woman in her mid 30s once, but that was an exception. I've almost always dated younger. But as the odd thing that just happens, why not?

And I could see that if a guy was in his 20s and hadn't built up his SMV yet, rather than come cry MGTOW stuff on SoSuave about being rejected in da clubs, he might date an older woman.
 

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I will say this, going for older women in general will lead to having to deal with less drama and immaturity. Unless she has issues, most women past the mid-late twenties are generally done with games. I personally would prefer a young woman, 20-25, but as a man who is mature for his age in his late twenties I would often have issues with them.

An older women, say 30+, who takes care of herself, is single and has no children I'd be open to.....problem is very few women actually are like that lol.
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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And I could see that if a guy was in his 20s and hadn't built up his SMV yet, rather than come cry MGTOW stuff on SoSuave about being rejected in da clubs, he might date an older woman.
Yes logically that sound fine.

But logic or rationality doesn't factor in relationships or dates, it almost always turns into something else.

It's like when a man is undergoing depression and we encourage him to take cocaine since its recreational and induces a false state of coping with grief/life, yes it works.

But it's dangerous as most men will be lulled into a false sense of reality and stuck in a loop.

It's always best to tackle the root causes in a man's inability to sustain a relationship or even to attract women.

And to do that we need to assist men purely based on their personality quadrant.

You for example is an intellectual and passive.

Whilst gifted to be in the intellectual quadrant you're also "slower" in the social sphere.

You struggled with it in the past and though much improved, it is even so today.

Making sense of social cues is much harder for you as compared to your opposite - the expressives, another group of passives, who positively swims in social settings.
 

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It's always best to tackle the root causes in a man's inability to sustain a relationship or even to attract women.
In the case of a guy in his 20s who finds himself outvalued by his competitors (which would be the entire male species, of all ages), time is on his side, I think. As long as he is working on himself, his value should go up as he gets older, and continues to work on himself. In the meantime, if he can put in some time with an older woman that he likes, that will increase his experience with women. She might even teach him a sexual thing or two. And it will help relieve his hormone-induced angst and loneliness.

So not a cure all by any means, it's not all negative.

I appreciate the personality analysis, by the way, lol.
 

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I don't disagree with you @zekko and men within ur personality quadrant most certainly can pull it off unscathed as rationality and logic dictates the usefulness of said relation.

It's why I pointed out ur personality traits and those of the expressives.

It's men who are in the other passive quadrant - the expressives are predisposed to use emotionalism as the main driver in their interactions as opposed to rationality.
 

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It's men who are in the other passive quadrant - the expressives are predisposed to use emotionalism as the main driver in their interactions as opposed to rationality.
I wasn't talking about myself though. As I said, with the exception of that one older crush I had (which I managed to bungle lol), I've always dated younger.

As for my quadrant, you read me pretty well, except I'm not that passive. My natural tendency is to be, but I went through a series of experiences and challenges when I was younger that forced me to become more aggressive. When I was in my 20s, I was even somewhat prone to violence. Now that I'm older, I feel like I know better.

That aside, for the most part I go for what I want, so I don't really consider myself passive.
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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I like older mature women for sex, but for a LTR, no way, specially if you want to have kids.

It is known old women lose their libido faster than men, so imagine to be in that kind of relationship... it is like being again with your mother.
 
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Yes logically that sound fine.

But logic or rationality doesn't factor in relationships or dates, it almost always turns into something else.

It's like when a man is undergoing depression and we encourage him to take cocaine since its recreational and induces a false state of coping with grief/life, yes it works.

But it's dangerous as most men will be lulled into a false sense of reality and stuck in a loop.

It's always best to tackle the root causes in a man's inability to sustain a relationship or even to attract women.

And to do that we need to assist men purely based on their personality quadrant.

You for example is an intellectual and passive.

Whilst gifted to be in the intellectual quadrant you're also "slower" in the social sphere.

You struggled with it in the past and though much improved, it is even so today.

Making sense of social cues is much harder for you as compared to your opposite - the expressives, another group of passives, who positively swims in social settings.
Nicely played and true @Spaz
 
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When I was in my 20s, I was even somewhat prone to violence. Now that I'm older, I feel like I know better.

That aside, for the most part I go for what I want, so I don't really consider myself passive.
I like these expressions @zekko
Passive doesn’t mean wimps. Those prone to violence early on are mostly passive. Anger, misused is passive. Controlled anger is far more assertive and extremely dangerous.
It’s calculated and ends in a finality. Every fight I’ve been in, ended in a finality.
Men prone to anger easily are passive. It’s an emotional response to a set of circumstances.

It's men who are in the other passive quadrant - the expressives are predisposed to use emotionalism as the main driver in their interactions as opposed to rationality.
This could be a very powerful asset if one could harness it and use it. Very powerful. I can already think of some things for that frame.
Damn good post.
 

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I like these expressions @zekko
Passive doesn’t mean wimps. Those prone to violence early on are mostly passive
I was immature and full of testosterone from lifting weights and being in my 20s.
I don't believe I'm passive though, I don't meekly submit to what's going on, I prefer to make things happen.
 

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So my LTR is 2 years older than me (32).

I've had only LTR with 2 years older than me chick.

80% of my lay are with younger chick's. Rest were older by 5 to 20 years (oldest being 47)

What does that tell about me ? :(

I believe to be quite manly now lol
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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