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Are my standards too high/unrealistic?

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That same night, I saw a couple of women who had made the interest known. I didn't follow up on it with these two. If I go out to any social setting or event where there are women in their 20's and 30's I'm going to have many women flirting with me in any given night.

They settled. After about 25 or so, the smart ones stop chasing "chads" or whatever term you want to use. Yes, they will give it a go, they will reach for the stars so to speak (yes, women have used that exact language with me) within normal feminine guidelines. They will make their interest known. If that doesn't work out, they'll go to plan b, c, d, etc. This is where the average guys can get a really good deal and date up.

Once they get used and/or ignored by "chad," they'll come to their senses, limit their losses and settle down with a nice guy.

It's possible to move up, but the key is to steer clear of the attention *****s who have lots of orbiters. Ignore any female with orbiters.
The issue is a lot of them already have child(ren) with one or more fathers who are not in the picture at all, I didn't see this a whole lot growing up but it is very common.

Also, I've noticed that a lot of women are just plain crazy lol. Yesterday I was hanging out with my friends and one of them recently started a job as a banker a few months ago. Anyway, he was talking about this overweight woman at work only going for guys who were fit, who obviously weren't into her. He said that someone tried to hook her up with this guy, who also was fat, and when asked as to why she wouldn't go out with him her answer was because he was "gross".....yet she looks the same lol. It's a little funny but this is actually pretty common.
 

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Based on everything you've written, you are "too selective" in comparison the average male. This means you are losing out on a large percentage of opportunities. You're losing out on almost all of them.

You need to keep in mind that we are living in a broken, fallen world. This is the devil's playground. Pretty much everyone you meet is dysfunctional to some noticeable extent. You will either have to accept this reality and date women who have problems (all of them do) or you are going to be alone.

Just about everyone is experimenting with drugs starting from an early age, have parents who are divorced, start watching porn as pre-teens, watching gore videos, have anxiety, suffer from depression, on meds, start getting tats as soon as they leave the house at 18, get fat from fast food, etc.

Not offering any advice, just observations that will help to ground you as to what is "normal." A severely damaged body and psyche are in fact, normal or the statistical average these days.
I don't want to come home to a woman who has a rubber band wrapped around her arm or has little bruises from injecting herself. I realize that every single one of us as individuals have our own issues that we deal with, but there is a certain point where certain things are just unacceptable, which I'm sure you agree with.

I agree though, what is "normal" is in fact anything but. The women that are like me are already taken, unless I steal a girl from another man it is going to be hard for me.
 

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Not all women are taken, what is wrong with you guys. I have been on Tinder and Bumble this week and I have a girl local to me coming to my place after work on Thursday, I literally told her to come to mine “what will we do?” “Discuss politics” “sounds fun” “it will be” simple as that.

Also a very hot brunette Scottish girl has agreed for drinks at the weekend (will have to reschedule) and a thick Colombian is free next week after Thursday. Yeah I know I said I would stop chasing but I couldn’t resist.

Maybe some of you guys are just ugly and therefore are going to struggle, in fact, remembering all the guys who have posted pics on here, most are either average or below, maybe time to stop dreaming of that hb8 (or even 6), level up your own SMV and get real.
 

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Most guys are overweight and over the hill by the time they are in their 30s, so naturally a woman in her mid 20s is most likely not going to find him all that attractive. I personally feel as a guy it is important to take care of yourself, exercise and dress well but also as a man in your 30s to be more established financially. A 25 year old woman will go for a 32 year old man who is doing well financially, especially since most men around her age are still up and coming. I also feel that as a man gets older his confidence and sense of self is far more developed compared to when he was in his early to mid 20s, which again is an attractive trait.
Depends on the woman. A lot of girls don’t rate men based on their attractiveness.

If it’s casual sex, you’re totally right. Few women are going to choose tubby mid 30s guys. But would I really want these women? Not really. Women who want casual flings, the DJ community is welcome to them.

If you’re talking serious dating with a view to a LTR and family etc, then 30s are a golden era. Don’t forget that most women are looking for this, most women are not looking for casual sex beyond age 23.

This is the point I was making. In my 20s, girls my age would look at me, with my DJing, Xbox, party nights and stupid political views and just think - meh. What use is that guy for making families? I wouldn’t even get the date.

In 30s it’s a different story.

Most decent, non slutty women do not put being a chad at the top of their list. Of course, you can’t be a total slob but women just don’t think in the same terms we do.

So many girls I didn’t approach because I had it in my head “they’re hot. I’m not. No chance”

Those girls can get good looking guys within 4 minutes of leaving the house. Finding a guy with a good career, no baggage and willing to go the full mile relationship wise (ie not just casual sex) is harder. Because men like that don’t grow on trees and gym rats with a hardon for skirt are ten a penny and everywhere.
 

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Oh and OP, I have to say I disagree with the negative portrayal of online dating.

It’s extremely hard where I live to just find single women hanging out places. The only places are bars or hitting on waitresses, which is a soul destroying and high effort endeavour.

Everything is done online now. If you are in it for sechs and flings, you will have to be 10/10 on OLD. If you want a girlfriend, OLD can be a great place but it might take you months to find someone decent.

It always seemed easier than pulling some creepy **** on the street with strangers. Only good if you’re a looker and young. If you’re approaching 30 and beyond, cold approaching is pain. The only time I got dates was when the girl actively showed interest in me - ie SHE was the one showing interest. Trying to arouse interest is tricky and only for the very skilled, the very gifted or the very rich, of which I am neither.
 

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The issue is a lot of them already have child(ren)
Thing is, you come across as someone looking for a relationship, that's why you attract women with baggage who are looking for someone to carry it for them. Absolutely nothing wrong with fcking them. Just relax man and realize all good women are taken, you are left with left overs, stop trying to boyfriend and wife the left overs.
 

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I hardly ever go on dates, only two in the past year, and it just honestly seems impossible to find anything out there. I've already posted this about myself on here, but I'm tall, I workout regularly/fit, take care of myself, no smoking, drinking or drugs, college educated and just a good guy all around.

I'm honestly just looking for a woman who is attractive, single, has no children, not covered in tattoos, no unnatural colored hair (pink, blue, green, etc.) doesn't have odd piercings, takes care of herself and is active, doesn't have any issues with drugs, doesn't smoke, does not drink beyond a social level and is just a decent person who is enjoyable to be around. Seriously, is that too much to ask for because I see these as very basic and reasonable standards for someone like myself and yet I just can't find it. The women that do meet this basic criteria are obviously never going to be single, and if they are they won't be that way for very long. I actually do see women that I'm attracted to but they aren't available to me, so there really isn't much I can do about any of that.
If what you are saying is true...that you are tall good looking, in shape and have a good job then I've got some bad news for you.

There is something you are doing that is driving these women away to the point where none of this other stuff matters. And that is very hard to do, especially if you are tall and good looking.

What that is, I'm not sure. It could be being very needy in your interactions, it could be acting in a way that is very offputting to the women, it could be that you are socially inept, it could be that you are a terrible conversationalist and don't know what to say to women.

I have no idea, but this is a much harder fix than a guy who is out of shape. You apparently already are what most women are looking for. The fact that they turn you away so frequently means there is something you are doing that is so bas they are like "Wow...he is good looking but there is NO WAY I can deal with this..." Whatever "this" is. Thats something you are going to have to really take a good hard look at yourself and figure out. Because until you do figure this part out you are going to be spinning your wheels.

I can tell you that when i got in great shape, even being average looking and fairly short, I was killing it with women. The fact that you aren't is concerning
 

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OP, in your other threads you always say how the women are excited when you first talk to them and then when you ask for the number they give you the boyfriend routine.

Next time they say this, look them dead in the eye and respond with

"Oh, thats too bad. You seemed like you might be in the market for an upgrade."

Then smirk and walk away.
 

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Some of the high achievers, business mindset, engineer mindset have a issue talking to the masses. Also the knolwledge of hitting a bunch of checklist items and "being a catch" without being social in the game doesnt work. It stenches of pretentiousness. Glassguy might have some direction how a guy with a mindset like yours can interact properly with the game and have good results.
 

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If what you are saying is true...that you are tall good looking, in shape and have a good job then I've got some bad news for you.

There is something you are doing that is driving these women away to the point where none of this other stuff matters. And that is very hard to do, especially if you are tall and good looking.

What that is, I'm not sure. It could be being very needy in your interactions, it could be acting in a way that is very offputting to the women, it could be that you are socially inept, it could be that you are a terrible conversationalist and don't know what to say to women.

I have no idea, but this is a much harder fix than a guy who is out of shape. You apparently already are what most women are looking for. The fact that they turn you away so frequently means there is something you are doing that is so bas they are like "Wow...he is good looking but there is NO WAY I can deal with this..." Whatever "this" is. Thats something you are going to have to really take a good hard look at yourself and figure out. Because until you do figure this part out you are going to be spinning your wheels.

I can tell you that when i got in great shape, even being average looking and fairly short, I was killing it with women. The fact that you aren't is concerning
OP, in your other threads you always say how the women are excited when you first talk to them and then when you ask for the number they give you the boyfriend routine.

Next time they say this, look them dead in the eye and respond with

"Oh, thats too bad. You seemed like you might be in the market for an upgrade."

Then smirk and walk away.
I have a lot of friends and acquaintances that genuinely enjoy my company, except they are all men. I don't at all associate with women in any way shape or form, with the exception of my mother and sister.

I can't give an honest answer to any of this because other people that know me don't understand it either. I've been accused of being gay by many people simply because I'm chronically single. I actually do and have been hit on by men quite a few times when I was just minding my own business, so they found me attractive enough to actually pull over to talk to me or approach me at a bar lol.

I've even approached unattractive women at bars before and it never lead to anywhere, and I mention this to show that I'm not just going for the hottest of hottest girls. Granted, bars and clubs are not really a good place to talk to women, as many of them have ***** shields up and put down men on the regular for sport.
 

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Not all women are taken, what is wrong with you guys. I have been on Tinder and Bumble this week and I have a girl local to me coming to my place after work on Thursday, I literally told her to come to mine “what will we do?” “Discuss politics” “sounds fun” “it will be” simple as that.

Also a very hot brunette Scottish girl has agreed for drinks at the weekend (will have to reschedule) and a thick Colombian is free next week after Thursday. Yeah I know I said I would stop chasing but I couldn’t resist.

Maybe some of you guys are just ugly and therefore are going to struggle, in fact, remembering all the guys who have posted pics on here, most are either average or below, maybe time to stop dreaming of that hb8 (or even 6), level up your own SMV and get real.
Being 6'4" and fit has netted me absolutely nothing on tinder or any OLD site. I tried this as an experiment with tinder a while ago and swiped right on every single profile. All I got matched with was entitled overweight women and single mothers, not a single decent looking female with some degree of quality. Best part was those low quality women actually had attitude lol.
 

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You don’t look bad so I have no idea why OLD isn’t paying dividends. Do you get matches and convos? Or just nada
 

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You don’t look bad so I have no idea why OLD isn’t paying dividends. Do you get matches and convos? Or just nada
As I mentioned with my experiment on tinder, I swiped right on every profile and was only getting matched with unattractive women, most of them being fat and several were single mothers. I would talk to them and it was shocking to see these women act as if they were in a position to make demands as if they were the prize. I wish I had taken screenshots to show you what I'm talking about, but unfortunately I don't.

With regular OLD sites I very rarely would ever get responses to my messages, and no I wasn't saying weird or stupid things, and the few that did respond nothing ever came of it. I just remember the feeling I got from the women on there was that they were just looking for pen pals and validation. This goes as far back as my early to mid 20s through recently, never made any sense to me in the slightest.

I started a new tinder profile last night and I'm just going to leave it active for a while and see if I get anything. The only issue I can think of is my age, 29. Most of the women around my age I've seen on there are not very attractive at all, so I don't swipe right, but those around 25 or younger I have seen a lot. I think what possibly could be going on is that they have their parameters set to show men that aren't as old as I am, so they don't even see me in the first place.

This is why I say OLD just doesn't work for me lol, glad to see someone else is as stumped as I am.
 

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Not all women are taken, what is wrong with you guys. I have been on Tinder and Bumble this week and I have a girl local to me coming to my place after work on Thursday, I literally told her to come to mine “what will we do?” “Discuss politics” “sounds fun” “it will be” simple as that.

Also a very hot brunette Scottish girl has agreed for drinks at the weekend (will have to reschedule) and a thick Colombian is free next week after Thursday. Yeah I know I said I would stop chasing but I couldn’t resist.

Maybe some of you guys are just ugly and therefore are going to struggle, in fact, remembering all the guys who have posted pics on here, most are either average or below, maybe time to stop dreaming of that hb8 (or even 6), level up your own SMV and get real.
I don’t disagree. But for guys lower down the looks scale, even going for a looks-match is not easy. A female 5 will typically not be too excited or enthusiastic about a male 5.

Looks-matching works much more efficiently (and easier) at higher tiers. A male 7 won’t have to work too hard to get a female 7. For a male 8 to get a female 8, that should be fairly easy.
 

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Your pics look creepy man. And a bit fem on the second pic.

I suggest you get pictures with other people and out and about doing fun things. If I were a chick I wouldn't swipe right either, and it's not because of your aesthetics it's more just the aura you are giving off.
 

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Defo sex dungeon vibes

And I agree with the fem, grow a beard you look like you could grow a good one
 

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Your pics look creepy man. And a bit fem on the second pic.

I suggest you get pictures with other people and out and about doing fun things. If I were a chick I wouldn't swipe right either, and it's not because of your aesthetics it's more just the aura you are giving off.
What I am about to share is not a judgement of you @sangheilios, as a person or of your looks.

I am going to share my experience, as a woman, of the two photos presented. That is all. YOU are not those pictures, or my perception of those pictures. Remember that. Know that I intend well, with what I offer here.

Your first photo shows off a great body. Your head angled as it is, comes off (not as artistic, if that is what you were going for?) but creepy, at east to me as a woman, anyway.

Your second photo gives off a lot of uneasy vibes, to me. It gives mixed messages. One, there is an aspect of ruggedness yet also a huge aura of not a masculine nature but a more feminine one. I am not judging it. I am just sharing how I perceive it.

We all express ourselves along on many spectrums. There are very masculine females, to very feminine females. There are very masculine males, to very feminine men. Our essences are not set in stone or inflexible. There is an area along the spectrum we live from. We all can embody a more masculine essence or a more feminine essence, regardless of our physical parts or the sex we are predominantly attracted to, and it can fluctuate according to who we are with, our desires, the circumstances, etc. Then there is where on the spectrum we predominantly reside within ourselves and in our life. What is most comfortable for each of us.

One of the biggest turn offs for many men is that many women these days reside more predominantly in their masculine nature. Many men prefer a woman with a very feminine essence. At the same time some men genuinely prefer to be with women that are more dominant, so they then look for a woman at the other end of the spectrum.

Your second photo, to me, shows a man who is more feminine in his essence. Not judging, just reporting how I perceive it. That would be attractive to a woman (or a gay man) who wants to be more dominant and in their masculine essence, in the relationship. This may be why you get hit on by gay males, more often than most straight men.

Again, not judging, but the majority of women are most attracted to men who are predominantly masculine in their essence. That is not the vibe, of the second photo, in my experience.

If you are a man who lives his life more aligned with a feminine nature than be aware of that and realize that your match than is a in a smaller subset of women who would feel both attracted and satisfied with such relationship dynamics. Most women (again-feminine essence) would prefer a more dominant male, as to a submissive one. The second photo gives off more of the opposite vibe, to me, while also inserting a more rugged style, that makes one wonder and leaves a bit of confusion.

Lastly, I was left wondering if in the second photo you are wearing make-up or if that is truly your natural coloring? I get there are a lot of subcultures where men embrace wearing make-up. I am just not clear what I am seeing and where you fit in. Again, no judgement intended, just me sharing my experience of the photo. I even enlarged it more, to look more closely.

I am not sure what is true for you @sangheilios. I only see the photos presented. Again, they are not you. They are just two photos.

As a woman, I personally am attracted to men who fully radiate their masculine nature. That is SUPER HOT, to me! That is certainly not every woman. I am not saying I want a man who does not ALSO have the flexibility to be tender and caring, etc. I do. I am not saying they are mutually exclusive, at all. As a woman I can also step into a very asservative and dominant essence, when called to do so and is appropriate. I do that here sometimes. Doing it for a short bit here and there is not an issue. It can be done for purpose and for play. Those work. That is different than residing in a masculine nature (as a woman) predominantly. Anything longer than temporarily is not a good fit for me as a woman. It is not a happy and fulfilled place,, for me.

I personally most desire and fit the dance of masculinity and femininity, from the place of primarily being an incredibly feminine woman, partnering with a very masculine man. For me, at it's best, it is an amazing dance of polarity, of the feminine and masculine essences, that TRULY enlivens both partners.

It is important to be clear on what is a truly fulfilling match vs. frustrating match, for you.

A masculine man partnered with a masculine woman is not enlivening. Only one can lead the dance, moment to moment.
A feminine woman partnered with a feminine man is not enlivening. Someone has to be the leader. Here both prefer to be led.
A more feminine man partnered with a more masculine woman can be work well and be enlivening to both of them. In that case, he truly wants to surrender and be led, in their dance, while she also most desires to lead.
A truly masculine man partnered with a truly feminine women can be incredibly enlivening dance to both. He leads the dance and she revels and delights, in his leadership.


My recommendation to you @sangheilios is to fully own whatever is true for you!! Own it fully! If you are a masculine man than own it and put up pictures that radiate that. If you are truly a more feminine natured man (again not judging) than own that. Put up pictures and a bio that expresses that and directly or indirectly make clear your desire for a more predominantly masculine essence female. Own what you are looking for and will most please you!!

One of the greatest frustrations in dating and relationships is when there is a mismatch in male and female essences. When a man wants a woman to be in her feminine essence but she's stuck in her masculine, because of her career demands, her fears, and/or that is just who she is, etc. Whatever it is, the man can feel incredibly frustrated, as she may dress and look feminine, but she is meeting him with a predominantly masculine essence. It is a mismatch for him. She does not defer to his leadership. He's not clear that he is not looking or wanting to be led. He likely finds it insulting even. So frustration ensues, for both.

Or a feminine woman meets a man who is more thoughtful, considerate, kindhearted and caring and she partners with him. What she may fail to adequately consider is if he also is his masculine nature as much as she NEEDS, in order to feel satisfied and MATCH the polarity of who she is. If she is wanting a man to be more of the decision maker and leader and action oriented and what she finds is that instead he constantly defers to her, it can be a huge mismatch and leaves both parties very frustrated.

There is so much more that could be said here. Food for thought. Clarity on where we each lie on the spectrum and what best match up with is really important for a truly enlivening and satisfying dance, so to speak.

TL;DR Know that your pictures convey much more than simple looks. You are an attractive man. Your photos send mixed messages. Your dominant essence is unclear in your photos. Most women will simply pass. They desire a man who is clear, either way. New photos that convey you and your dominant essence I suspect will bring you results that more clearly match what you most desire.
 
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I hardly ever go on dates, only two in the past year, and it just honestly seems impossible to find anything out there. I've already posted this about myself on here, but I'm tall, I workout regularly/fit, take care of myself, no smoking, drinking or drugs, college educated and just a good guy all around.

I'm honestly just looking for a woman who is attractive, single, has no children, not covered in tattoos, no unnatural colored hair (pink, blue, green, etc.) doesn't have odd piercings, takes care of herself and is active, doesn't have any issues with drugs, doesn't smoke, does not drink beyond a social level and is just a decent person who is enjoyable to be around. Seriously, is that too much to ask for because I see these as very basic and reasonable standards for someone like myself and yet I just can't find it. The women that do meet this basic criteria are obviously never going to be single, and if they are they won't be that way for very long. I actually do see women that I'm attracted to but they aren't available to me, so there really isn't much I can do about any of that.
I'm getting a incel vibe lol

2yrs? Have you heard of escorts... Wait wut?

Either you have ****ty genetics or yiur game sucks. Likely both.

Female entitlement is absurd these days. Definitely need to put work in and step game up.
 

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Defo sex dungeon vibes

And I agree with the fem, grow a beard you look like you could grow a good one
What I am about to share is not a judgement of you @sangheilios,
TL;DR Know that your pictures convey much more than simple looks. You are an attractive man. Your photos send mixed messages. Your dominant essence is unclear in your photos. Most women will simply pass. They desire a man who is clear, either way. New photos that convey you and your dominant essence I suspect will bring you results that more clearly match what you most desire.

It's just some picture I took whilst I was on my laptop lol. I don't wear makeup and it is just the way the photo came out due to a combination of lighting and the camera, so no I didn't edit it or anything.

On a side note, it's not any worse than the vast majority of photos I've seen with women on there where they are smoking a blunt, drinking a beer or when they have those weird septum piercings and tons of tattoos.

Anyway, I'm just a normal guy who is more introverted and intellectual and I just like to do my own thing. When I have important decisions to make I always ask for the opinions of others, I thought that was normal, instead of just impulsively doing something without putting any thought into it. I like to exercise/workout/train, take care of my body, make money and besides that just read/learn and hang out with my friends. I don't drink alcohol, smoke or do drugs, I'm educated and just a decent guy all around.

I don't consider myself feminine at all, but I do take care of myself and put effort into my appearance. With people I'm close with I'm always there to help them when they need it but I'm not a doormat for those who don't help me at all. I don't really consider myself hyper masculine though either, mostly because I don't feel the need to prove myself to others. I used to do kickboxing, I have long enjoyed training hard for my fitness goals, which I guess those are considered more masculine qualities. I've personally found that other men who behave aggressively comes more from insecurity, like they always have to appear tough or what not. I'm honestly just a pretty laid back guy who just wants to enjoy life, be happy and have good people around.

As for the gay men hitting on me, it's literally happened when I was completely minding my own business. One happened when I was walking down the street with my dog, this was a while ago, and I was just wearing athletic clothes. Anyway, that particular guy pulled over and started asking me questions about my dog but then before leaving he revealed his true intent when he was complimenting my physique.

Other times it's been just sitting down on a couch at a local club, he actually came up and approached me. Most of the time it's just stuff like winking at me or whatever lol.

Last summer one of my friends was dating this girl briefly and when we were all hanging out we actually discussed this, the men hitting on me, and he asked her what she thought about it. Anyway, she made some comment about the fact that I had a nice body and that the clothes I weared showed it off, she made a specific mention of how my glutes looked while I was wearing jeans.

I can honestly say though that women who grew up in a bad environment or with a useless or absent father figure would probably not know what to do with a guy like me. A couple years ago I dated a mexican girl here in AZ, she was 19, and she grew up and lived in a very bad neighborhood. Anyway, when I'd have her over to my place I'd always ask her if she needed anything to drink or when she was in my car if she was comfortable with the A/C, stuff like that. I remember she ended up saying that when I did that it made her feel uncomfortable like I was doing those things out of insecurity and wanted something from her.....when I was just trying to be a good guy with her. I wouldn't consider that a feminine quality but for someone with her upbringing it would have been perceived as weak and needy, as the men she would have been around her whole life would have been neglectful and completely uncaring.
 
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