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Uh, no. If you are going to do it why would you pay when what you want could easily be gotten for free on OLD?
It seems like you expect everyones experience to be like yours but in reality, some guys aren't as lucky as you or in the same position.
Guys that pay are usually low smv, lazy, non game aware, rich, wants convenience, married and discretion, etc. Any number of those reasons.

Remember guys, when you pay for a hooker/escort, you're paying her to leave after sex amongst other things.
 

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It seems like you expect everyones experience to be like yours but in reality, some guys aren't as lucky as you or in the same position.
Guys that pay are usually low smv, lazy, non game aware, rich, wants convenience, married and discretion, etc. Any number of those reasons.

Remember guys, when you pay for a hooker/escort, you're paying her to leave after sex amongst other things.
That's what you call 'chadsplaining'. You forgot to mention if the laws are changing in a jurisdiction and it becomes illegal by after midnight and you do that out of curiosity before the law changes because you don't want to get in trouble with the law/police after midnight, etc.. once a state decides to outlaw it and arrest or execute anyone involved.
 

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It seems like you expect everyones experience to be like yours but in reality, some guys aren't as lucky as you or in the same position.
Guys that pay are usually low smv, lazy, non game aware, rich, wants convenience, married and discretion, etc. Any number of those reasons.

Remember guys, when you pay for a hooker/escort, you're paying her to leave after sex amongst other things.
I don't feel it has anything to do with luck, just learning what works and what doesn't and then doing it over and over again.

But yeah you are right that might be more than they want to deal with and would rather just pay for it on demand.
 

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This is primarily to supplement the coolidge effect

I have a girl I've been seeing for 2 months, she's great, cooks for me, has great sex also has a nice ass but no tits. They're only A cups and they're lovely but I am an ass and tits guy.

I'm wondering about this as I see a future with her. I don't want to **** anyone else, but the prospect of never holding decent sized tits in my hands again is troubling. I could probably convince her to get a boob job at some point.

I am wondering about going to see hookers purely to play with their tits for an hour then leave. As I said I don't want to have sex with them, only play with their breasts. My girl she's tiny, very thin, but a lovely ass and gives head like a demon. The only thing is the tits....

Any married/LTR guys do this?
I think the idea of not paying for sex is mainly an ego thing. It doesn't count as a notch and you can't brag about it, so you may or more not care about that.

On the other hand, paying for it can get you good or bad sex, like any product I suppose. You need to check the reviews or find the right forums or just be careful where you spend your money. If you're already in a relationship, apart from saving a a lot of time dealing with BS it has the advantage of not giving anyone the opportunity to stick their nose in your life.

As for the morality of it, that's up to you. Personally I think that most women are selfish and they don't want to listen to the truth that men like variety. No matter how many times you tell a woman that most of them just don't want to understand. So really there is no point. What you do with your own body is your business.
 

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I think the idea of not paying for sex is mainly an ego thing. It doesn't count as a notch and you can't brag about it, so you may or more not care about that.
You can't buy desire. So you may get an orgasm off. A man relying on paid for sex will be murdering his self esteem. So it's not even all about ego, and we don't need to brag about sex.

On the other hand, paying for it can get you good or bad sex, like any product I suppose. You need to check the reviews or find the right forums or just be careful where you spend your money. If you're already in a relationship, apart from saving a a lot of time dealing with BS it has the advantage of not giving anyone the opportunity to stick their nose in your life.
You can't buy desire and you can't pay for a lady to want to fvck you good. You just can't buy it.

As for the morality of it, that's up to you. Personally I think that most women are selfish and they don't want to listen to the truth that men like variety. No matter how many times you tell a woman that most of them just don't want to understand. So really there is no point. What you do with your own body is your business.
A large percentage of men like variety. Not all. An odd ball man like myself will hold onto a good peice of pvssy. They are NOT all the same. They have different effects on the man, they feel different, smell different, look different. That being said, yes I can fvck two pieces of pvssy no problem, it's just i'm at a stage where my ego doesn't need it. In my view the more women we deal with the more problems, unless you have it like that where they are all submitting to you and wanting to do things for you, that's a good place to be.
 

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This is primarily to supplement the coolidge effect

I have a girl I've been seeing for 2 months, she's great, cooks for me, has great sex also has a nice ass but no tits. They're only A cups and they're lovely but I am an ass and tits guy.

I'm wondering about this as I see a future with her. I don't want to **** anyone else, but the prospect of never holding decent sized tits in my hands again is troubling. I could probably convince her to get a boob job at some point.

I am wondering about going to see hookers purely to play with their tits for an hour then leave. As I said I don't want to have sex with them, only play with their breasts. My girl she's tiny, very thin, but a lovely ass and gives head like a demon. The only thing is the tits....

Any married/LTR guys do this?
I didn’t read the whole thread but the answer is obvious in this case.

You need to be taken out back let go to greener pastures not on this plain of home we call earth, like a dog.

You’re two months in and you’re already considering some pretty disgusting choices.

1. You like her and see a future with her. But the prospect is troubling of never holding bigger breasts again, so you may one day body shame her and then convince her she should get a boob job. Not for her. But for you. You want her, to change her body, for your basic pleasure because you in your entitled head think you deserve that.

2. You’re going to take out money from your wallet, drive off main street and open a door to a big breasted hooker to rub her breasts. Or maybe just call an escort. And just play with her breasts. That’s it. You do this because you care and see a future with the girl you supposedly like.

3. You’re already concocting ways in your warped mind of how to have all your cake and eat it too for your hedonistic narcissistic driven self.

4. You should end it with her. Because if she read this? She would probably puke on your face.

Imagine if the roles were reversed.

“Hey Ladies!!
I’ve been seeing a guy lately and he’s great. Finally right?? Anyways, I potentially see a future with him. He’s nice, has a job, plans dates and gives cunnilingus like a demon. He has great shoulders, smells good, and a radiant smile to boot. But here’s the thing: His thing? It’s.. small. I want strong shoulders and a good sized pen!s. I’m a shoulders and penis gal, amiright?

Look, I don’t want to fvck anyone else. But the prospect of never holding a good sized engorged pen!s in my hands is troubling! Hm. I could probably convince him to get pen!s injections, or enlargement pills, or maybe even an implant at some point?

I am wondering about going to see some chip and dale dancers, or ordering male escorts. Purely just to play with their d!cks for an hour or so to get my craving fixed. Not to have s3x or anything else, just that. And then leave to go back home to him. I just don’t know. The only thing is his d!ck...

K, help plz! Hehe!”

She honestly deserves better than you. Nobody should be in this position you’re about to place both of you in. If you’re dissatisfied with something so shallow, you move on. You need to build your character to not even actively concoct this scheme.

Oh and none of this is about her. It’s about you. What person with self-respect and dignity would ever think about doing these things? A sad sad person is the answer.
You’re purely the problem.
Not her beautiful small breasts.
Just you.
Meditate on that.
 
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I didn’t read the whole thread but the answer is obvious in this case.

You need to be taken out back let go to greener pastures not on this plain of home we call earth, like a dog.

You’re two months in and you’re already considering some pretty disgusting choices.

1. You like her and see a future with her. But the prospect is troubling of never holding bigger breasts again, so you may one day body shame her and then convince her she should get a boob job. Not for her. But for you. You want her, to change her body, for your basic pleasure because you in your entitled head think you deserve that.

2. You’re going to take out money from your wallet, drive off main street and open a door to a big breasted hooker to rub her breasts. Or maybe just call an escort. And just play with her breasts. That’s it. You do this because you care and see a future with the girl you supposedly like.

3. You’re already concocting ways in your warped mind of how to have all your cake and eat it too for your hedonistic narcissistic driven self.

4. You should end it with her. Because if she read this? She would probably puke on your face.

Imagine if the roles were reversed.

“Hey Ladies!!
I’ve been seeing a guy lately and he’s great. Finally right?? Anyways, I potentially see a future with him. He’s nice, has a job, plans dates and gives cunnilingus like a demon. He has great shoulders, smells good, and a radiant smile to boot. But here’s the thing: His thing? It’s.. small. I want strong shoulders and a good sized pen!s. I’m a shoulders and penis gal, amiright?

Look, I don’t want to fvck anyone else. But the prospect of never holding a good sized engorged pen!s in my hands is troubling! Hm. I could probably convince him to get pen!s injections, or enlargement pills, or maybe even an implant at some point?

I am wondering about going to see some chip and dale dancers, or ordering male escorts. Purely just to play with their d!cks for an hour or so to get my craving fixed. Not to have s3x or anything else, just that. And then leave to go back home to him. I just don’t know. The only thing is his d!ck...

K, help plz! Hehe!”

She honestly deserves better than you. Nobody should be in this position you’re about to place both of you in. If you’re dissatisfied with something so shallow, you move on. You need to build your character to not even actively concoct this scheme.

Oh and none of this is about her. It’s about you. What person with self-respect and dignity would ever think about doing these things? A sad sad person is the answer.
You’re purely the problem.
Not her beautiful small breasts.
Just you.
Meditate on that.
My thoughts exactly
 

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You can't buy desire. So you may get an orgasm off. A man relying on paid for sex will be murdering his self esteem. So it's not even all about ego, and we don't need to brag about sex.
I disagree. Rejection from women hurts self esteem. If an escort is taking your money then she is not rejecting you on that level adding insult to injury, although some trucels and blackcells may still experience that. That means she trusts you enough not go go psycho and kill her. Isnt the number one fear of women how a guy could harm her?

Mrgoodstuff said:
You can't buy desire and you can't pay for a lady to want to fvck you good. You just can't buy it.
If you are girl hungry enough then you will just start loving up the woman because she is a woman. She is not a grey alien, honestly a woman!

I rejected two prostitute advances on wanting to sex me because it did not feel right being with a stranger like that. One of them was so desperate she offered her bum but I still was too scared to take my underware off and could not get hard.

I felt they wanted to please me but I did not feel comfortable with them or the set up. What did kill my self esteem was doing speed dating at a later time.
 

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I disagree. Rejection from women hurts self esteem. If an escort is taking your money then she is not rejecting you on that level adding insult to injury, although some trucels and blackcells may still experience that. That means she trusts you enough not go go psycho and kill her. Isnt the number one fear of women how a guy could harm her?



If you are girl hungry enough then you will just start loving up the woman because she is a woman. She is not a grey alien, honestly a woman!

I rejected two prostitute advances on wanting to sex me because it did not feel right being with a stranger like that. One of them was so desperate she offered her bum but I still was too scared to take my underware off and could not get hard.

I felt they wanted to please me but I did not feel comfortable with them or the set up. What did kill my self esteem was doing speed dating at a later time.
We agree to disagree. Some of the nen have been strongly desired and the energy is different from someone just letting you use her body. When a woman likes you she'll be the one trying to prove to you trying to do you favors. Her body will also hunger for you specifically.

I do however think paying for it is better than the incel route.

It's my belief every man here should gain the skills and mindset to have a good sexlife without paying and without degrading himself.
 

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I do however think paying for it is better than the incel route.
This is not an incel thread though. I visited the two prostitutes during a divorce process and had at least one willing woman who wanted to see me but she lived out too far away and I wanted to try a Spanish woman. The OP has a same problem. He is starving for a lady who has breasts. He has admitted he would just play with a pair of large breasts like there is no tomorrow if he had an encounter with a lady like that. He'd be in 7th heaven. When I either saw exes or hookers they always had something the lady I was dealing with before didn't have. Whether it's cheating or after a break-up it's the same principle, you are girl-hungry for attributes your partner could not satisfy you with and there is some urge or desire for that that gets pent-up.

I've may be more arguably incel now compared to when I saw a prostitute 6 years ago and believe me, I have no desire at all to see a prostitute and am trying to get out of looking at quasi-types of porn (ie. jerk-off instruction porn from women talking and exposing themselves,, etc..). If you are single, you don't feel you miss-out on any particular attribute since you don't have a partner period and the wiring just doesn't go that way.
 

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This is not an incel thread though. I visited the two prostitutes during a divorce process and had at least one willing woman who wanted to see me but she lived out too far away and I wanted to try a Spanish woman. The OP has a same problem. He is starving for a lady who has breasts. He has admitted he would just play with a pair of large breasts like there is no tomorrow if he had an encounter with a lady like that. He'd be in 7th heaven. When I either saw exes or hookers they always had something the lady I was dealing with before didn't have. Whether it's cheating or after a break-up it's the same principle, you are girl-hungry for attributes your partner could not satisfy you with and there is some urge or desire for that that gets pent-up.

I've may be more arguably incel now compared to when I saw a prostitute 6 years ago and believe me, I have no desire at all to see a prostitute and am trying to get out of looking at quasi-types of porn (ie. jerk-off instruction porn from women talking and exposing themselves,, etc..). If you are single, you don't feel you miss-out on any particular attribute since you don't have a partner period and the wiring just doesn't go that way.
In Amsterdam pvssy is cheaper than complaining about it.
 

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There are two dystopian pieces of fiction that I relate to as far as visiting an escort and going inside a room with one. The first one is Matrix: Reloaded when Neo entered the room of the Great Architect and the second one would be Room 101 of 1984 (George Orwell).


That's how it felt like with me. You don't go back into that same room twice. You are already shifted from the first time.
 

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This is primarily to supplement the coolidge effect

I have a girl I've been seeing for 2 months, she's great, cooks for me, has great sex also has a nice ass but no tits. They're only A cups and they're lovely but I am an ass and tits guy.

I'm wondering about this as I see a future with her. I don't want to **** anyone else, but the prospect of never holding decent sized tits in my hands again is troubling. I could probably convince her to get a boob job at some point.

I am wondering about going to see hookers purely to play with their tits for an hour then leave. As I said I don't want to have sex with them, only play with their breasts. My girl she's tiny, very thin, but a lovely ass and gives head like a demon. The only thing is the tits....

Any married/LTR guys do this?
It sounds like you need to marry a pair of tits.
 
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I disagree. Rejection from women hurts self esteem
I will counter that it is a good, albeit micro, hurt to the self-esteem if reflected on properly. It can offer a catalyst for growth and introspection. It would be akin to going to an interview and being told you aren't currently proficient for the job being offered. Should one collapse and cry, or sit at their desk and get to work? The choice is his or hers. How we respond to life is in fact our next moment and in-turn future.

I think paying for sex is communicating to your own self and subconscious that you aren't able to connect naturally with your own inner energy to achieve human affection; something we feel to be a need at times. So it leaves the door open on feeling disconnected and discontented. Paying for sex, as I may surmise, will have an insidious effect on one's self-esteem. It feels good immediately after, yet holds ramifications days, months, or years down the line. Because when he goes to chat up a woman in a bar, he isn't actually equipped for that as he is operating under the guise of being able to do something which he cannot yet. Operating out of his field of competence and social calibration in a natural way.

True confidence is competence, and it needs to be buttressed by hammering on yourself through trial and error, which is your self-esteem underneath, as that is what holds you up during dark days or subtle to great rejections (or redirections in a positive sense). A deep self-dependence that you can hold together when under attack by your own self and an extrinsic world is the goal.

The best way to grow into a fuller version of yourself is to micro-tear your reality fairly often, always being exposed to novel thoughts, reading materials, and life in full-speed which is encompassing pain, change, and acceptance of an invalid viewpoint. Untie from your ego, as your ego is merely attachment to what is - your certainty. It rejects uncertainty as that's representative of danger and stress. This is where we are able to forge ourselves as men. The greatest offering life has is your transformation from your current state.

Many Samari traditions in combat are based on fluidity. But fluidity is leaning into the uncertainty. It's in innate trust to let go and give over to your true way of order. And believe it or not, we all know our true order. We've just been learning how to disregard our own moral and inner compass.
 
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I will counter that it is a good, albeit micro, hurt to the self-esteem if reflected on properly. It can offer a catalyst for growth and introspection. It would be akin to going to an interview and being told you aren't currently proficient for the job being offered. Should one collapse and cry, or sit at their desk and get to work? The choice is his or hers. How we respond to life is in fact our next moment and in-turn future.

I think paying for sex is communicating to your own self and subconscious that you aren't able to connect naturally with your own inner energy to achieve human affection; something we feel to be a need at times. So it leaves the door open on feeling disconnected and discontented. Paying for sex, as I may surmise, will have an insidious effect on one's self-esteem. It feels good immediately after, yet holds ramifications days, months, or years down the line. Because when he goes to chat up a woman in a bar, he isn't actually equipped for that as he is operating under the guise of being able to do something which he cannot yet. Operating out of his field of competence and social calibration in a natural way.

True confidence is competence, and it needs to be buttressed by hammering on yourself through trial and error, which is your self-esteem underneath, as that is what holds you up during dark days or subtle to great rejections (or redirections in a positive sense). A deep self-dependence that you can hold together when under attack by your own self and an extrinsic world is the goal.

The best way to grow into a fuller version of yourself is to micro-tear your reality fairly often, always being exposed to novel thoughts, reading materials, and life in full-speed which is encompassing pain, change, and acceptance of an invalid viewpoint. Untie from your ego, as your ego is merely attachment to what is - your certainty. It rejects uncertainty as that's representative of danger and stress. This is where we are able to forge ourselves as men. The greatest offering life has is your transformation from your current state.

Many Samari traditions in combat are based on fluidity. But fluidity is leaning into the uncertainty. It's in innate trust to let go and give over to your true way of order. And believe it or not, we all know our true order. We've just been learning how to disregard our own moral and inner compass.
That Samari "image" has an ego all it's own... There are different ego's. So that Samari "ego" might not have a large "social ego", but it does have it's own image, which has an ego...
 

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That Samari "image" has an ego all it's own... There are different ego's. So that Samari "ego" might not have a large "social ego", but it does have it's own image, which has an ego...
The way I see the ego is that it comes and goes, and it can offer sound advice and reflection if not made to be how we define ourselves. It's a balance. I'm not saying be a samurai, I'm saying trust your higher self so you can move into uncertainty with ease and fluidity as opposed to being hard and "certain" when in actuality that "certainty" is a guise which will be broken down, since it's not real.
 

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The way I see the ego is that it comes and goes, and it can offer sound advice and reflection if not made to be how we define ourselves. It's a balance. I'm not saying be a samurai, I'm saying trust your higher self so you can move into uncertainty with ease and fluidity as opposed to being hard and "certain" when in actuality that "certainty" is a guise which will be broken down, since it's not real.
What I was saying is an "ego" isn't just all encompassing. There are different ego's... My social ego might have been offended, but i keep my "skills ego" seperated from it, so they didn't hurt me. I just made an example.
 
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