Anthony Ellis claims he got this big naturally

[john_1234]

All natural my ass! Straight bull! I'd bet thousands of dollars he juiced up.

http://www.bnatural.com/gallery/anthony.htm

 

[wolf116]

Why do you think so? I don't

 

[seanchai]

Look at his shoulders and pecs.

 

[Skilla_Staz]

Thats easily attainable by natural means...EASILY

So I will gladly take your thousands of dollars, had this actually been a real bet.

 

[ryannath]

Looks natural to me. He's not HUGE anyway like ppl on roids are. He's cut though.

 

[john_1234]

from my own personal experiences and several friends' experiences, I'm positive he's not natural

 

[doctoroxygen]

The striation in his pecs and the roundness of his deltoids indicate that he is using steroids.

The saddest thing about this is that steroid use is so prevalent in our culture, particularly amongst cover models and celebrities, that people don't even recognize it when they see it. Steroid users don't have to be huge, the shape of their muscles is just as good of a tell. Look for particularly round shoulders and massive striation in muscles, neither of which are attainable in all but a tiny fraction naturally.

 

[Master Bates]

He actually looks fairly good in that first pic if you just cover up his big head, lol.

 

[ER!C L!VE]

Juice or Andro - one or the other. If I remember correctly, he failed the lie detector test in the original Body For Life video. There was another totally jacked up guy, Abb Ansley, who failed the lie detector test. Bill Phillips called them into his office and asked them on camera if the took steroids and Anthony's answer was somthing along the lines of: no, I didn't juice. I hate needles.... Bill responded by saying that he believed him and allowed him to be one of the 10 winners.

EDIT: http://www.bodyforlife.com/challenge/champions/1997champions.asp

 

[Skilla_Staz]

The striation in his pecs and the roundness of his deltoids indicate that he is using steroids.

The saddest thing about this is that steroid use is so prevalent in our culture, particularly amongst cover models and celebrities, that people don't even recognize it when they see it. Steroid users don't have to be huge, the shape of their muscles is just as good of a tell. Look for particularly round shoulders and massive striation in muscles, neither of which are attainable in all but a tiny fraction naturally.

First off, you're saying pec stiation and shoulder development is 100% steroids. I know kids who have rounded shoulders and pec striations...


Also, look at the natural bodybuilders, such as Skip Lacour. When they're lean, they've got the traits you mention.


I personally don't care if AE did roids, however, just because somebody is buff, doesn't mean they do roids, and just because somebody does roids, doesn't mean they'll get huge


Muscle is muscle. Roids just helps you get muscle quicker, it doesn't change the way the layout of the muscle. The pec striations and rounded shoulders don't mean a thing when trying to determine if he uses roids. The only thing that will is a blood test or whatever they do.

 

[sifer]

Skilla_Staz is right, that's all muscles. I am speaking from personal experience. You don't think a 19 year old such as myself is going to juice eh?

Personally I doubt he juices and believe he is natural. Could be wrong though.

 

[wootapotky]

Anthony Ellis also has a very high shoulder to hip ratio which is inducive to gaining muscle. It's not surprising to me that he could gain that much muscle.

 

[doctoroxygen]

First off, you're saying pec stiation and shoulder development is 100% steroids. I know kids who have rounded shoulders and pec striations...

Muscle is muscle. Roids just helps you get muscle quicker, it doesn't change the way the layout of the muscle. The pec striations and rounded shoulders don't mean a thing when trying to determine if he uses roids. The only thing that will is a blood test or whatever they do.

I didn't say that. MASSIVE striation is only possible through steroids, and natural muscular shoulders are elongated, not round.

Steroids make it possible to have more muscle than your body could otherwise support based on your body fat level. Naturally, a lot of muscle requires a lot of fat. Steroids make it so you can have a lot of muscle without the fat. That means denser, rounder shoulders and biceps, as well as the rest of the upper body. For more information on this, read "The Adonis Complex". It's written by three physicians with extensive research experience involving male body dysmorphic disorder and steroids. They developed a "Fat-Free Body Mass Index" that I don't have time to get into right now, but look it up.

 

[Drum&Bass]

from my own personal experiences and several friends' experiences, I'm positive he's not natural

then you don't have ANY experience or credibility...thats ALL natural no doubt about it...he wouldn't look that much different if he was 160 either.

 

[Skilla_Staz]

I didn't say that. MASSIVE striation is only possible through steroids, and natural muscular shoulders are elongated, not round.

Steroids make it possible to have more muscle than your body could otherwise support based on your body fat level. Naturally, a lot of muscle requires a lot of fat. Steroids make it so you can have a lot of muscle without the fat. That means denser, rounder shoulders and biceps, as well as the rest of the upper body. For more information on this, read "The Adonis Complex". It's written by three physicians with extensive research experience involving male body dysmorphic disorder and steroids. They developed a "Fat-Free Body Mass Index" that I don't have time to get into right now, but look it up.

That still doesn't explain why you think just because hes muscular, that he is on roids...

You do know that people can LOSE bodyfat, so if he gained muscle, even if he gained fat along with it, he could easily get rid of it...

 

[doctoroxygen]

Just lifting weights evidently doesn't give you an idea of how the human muscular system works. The fat is NECESSARY to support the muscle, so you can't have the muscle without it, meaning you can't cut the fat off and keep the muscles looking like his do without using steroids. I'd suggest you read some human physiology literature, particularly "The Adonis Complex", as I said earlier. Your opinions are unsupported by medical research (information gleaned from personal experience on bodybuilding boards doesn't count for much).

NOTE: Of course I'm not saying that you can't have muscle without fat, just that muscle requires a ratio of fat to support its energy demands (I forget the ratio), and the muscles that Anthony Ellis has are too big to be supported by his body fat level. Actual natural bodybuilders don't really look anything like the example of natural bodybuilding you posted.

 

[Master Bates]

Just lifting weights evidently doesn't give you an idea of how the human muscular system works. The fat is NECESSARY to support the muscle, so you can't have the muscle without it, meaning you can't cut the fat off and keep the muscles looking like his do without using steroids. I'd suggest you read some human physiology literature, particularly "The Adonis Complex", as I said earlier. Your opinions are unsupported by medical research (information gleaned from personal experience on bodybuilding boards doesn't count for much).

NOTE: Of course I'm not saying that you can't have muscle without fat, just that muscle requires a ratio of fat to support its energy demands (I forget the ratio), and the muscles that Anthony Ellis has are too big to be supported by his body fat level. Actual natural bodybuilders don't really look anything like the example of natural bodybuilding you posted.

You mean you can't look like this without steroids?

 

[doctoroxygen]

That's about the upper limit of muscularity at that body fat level, I'd say. The final picture is the one I was specifically talking about being necessarily chemically enhanced.

 

[wootapotky]

He's not that big though. He's got wide shoulders compared to his hips which gives more of an appearance of being bigger. Plus for his final picture he probably dehydrated himself.

 

[Mjazz]

Dude my pecs have those striations also and I dont do roids, where in the hell did you get information that your muscle shape changes with steroids. Steroids are just testosterone, not pieces of muscle you slap on. He looks natural, if he does roids, thats a pretty sad physique to have.