"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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5K runs and meeting women

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I have probably done about 30+ races over the last 15 years (5K's, 4 milers, 5 miles) etc. and I have never met a woman through one. The most IOI's I have gotten is the occasional glance.

What has been your experience with these races?

My experience with these races (at least in NJ)

1.) They are very cliquish. Most people don't go to these events solo, women go with their girlfriends or their boyfriends/husbands so they are not there to meet new people.

2.) Like the bar/club scene, the guy to girl ration is closer to 2 to 1.


Yesterday, I did a 5K (with a friend) that had a craft beer festival afterwards. There were a decent number of attractive women there, but again....most were with their male companions. While waiting on line for the race to start, I had an attractive woman in front of me. Her boyfriend (who was on the fat side and not running the race) came up and talked to her. I felt like saying to the guy; "How come your fat ass is not running the race?" (Fat men DO NOT deserve attractive women)
 

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She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

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She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

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You're dealing with an activity that is relaxing and produces endorphins without needing to have sex. Might as well try to game at a meditation retreat. These women are not the least bit in any kind of horny mood. If you going to try to use exercise to get laid, do crossfit. Most of the women I've known who are into it have higher than usual sex drives, although they tend to be nuts.
 

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And also, New Jersey. Not the easiest field of broads to game to begin with. Lots of Italianas, Jewesses, Black girls, etc. Where I live it's a mix of midwestern-rooted white girls and latinas. I avoid the aforementioned categories as a general rule.
 

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Go in on them at the finish line when they look and feel like garbage. They'll be glad anyone recognized their 11th place finish. Not at a 5K but the longer races. But if they are that bad off after a 5K, I'd go find someone else.
 

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Most high value women will have some type of male company with them at these types of events. Whether it be a husband, bf, orbiter, brother, rando guy they just met 5 minutes ago, in order to keep them company. I'm not a fan of snaking in on someone else's woman however, a lot of these women are actively looking either overtly or covertly. Just because they have a male companion with them it doesn't necessarily mean they're not open to meeting someone new.
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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I have ran alot too. You have the limited time before the race starts and some people including myself get pre-race jitters.
I have talked to women during the race and really should have number closed once.
After the race there is definitely some time to talk near the finish line.

There are plenty of times where a girl runs a race with her friend and certain races have more women than male participants.

Challenge accepted. I have a race coming up soon.
 

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And also, New Jersey. Not the easiest field of broads to game to begin with. Lots of Italianas, Jewesses, Black girls, etc. Where I live it's a mix of midwestern-rooted white girls and latinas. I avoid the aforementioned categories as a general rule.
The West Coast White people (esp. Californians) are the biggest problem in your area.

I have probably done about 30+ races over the last 15 years (5K's, 4 milers, 5 miles) etc. and I have never met a woman through one. The most IOI's I have gotten is the occasional glance.

What has been your experience with these races?
Never done one, but a lot of sports have similar issues to what you're describing.

At least running in general has a decent ratio but the races may not have that.

Co-ed sports leagues can be problematic too. A lot of men sign up for kickball, softball, and volleyball and end up not getting dates or getting laid from it.

My experience with these races (at least in NJ)

1.) They are very cliquish. Most people don't go to these events solo, women go with their girlfriends or their boyfriends/husbands so they are not there to meet new people.

2.) Like the bar/club scene, the guy to girl ration is closer to 2 to 1.
Neither of these things are surprising and common parts of trying to meet women through sports. I don't think this is New Jersey specific.
 
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The West Coast White people (esp. Californians) are the biggest problem in your area.



Never done one, but a lot of sports have similar issues to what you're describing.

At least running has a decent ratio. There are plenty of sports I can name with worse ratios.

Co-ed sports leagues can be problematic too. A lot of men sign up for kickball, softball, and volleyball and end up not getting dates or getting laid from it.
If I see a chick in Arizona who is from California, it's pretty much a no-go lol.

Briefly, there is a bit of a misconception about transplanted Calfornians. Most of the ones who have fled are conservative by CA standards. Most states turning purple or blue are due to the youth miseducated by leftist teachers.
 

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If I see a chick in Arizona who is from California, it's pretty much a no-go lol.
Makes sense. Native Arizonans are a little bit better than Californians, but even many of them have bad attitudes.
 

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Makes sense. Native Arizonans are a little bit better than Californians, but even many of them have bad attitudes.
By big city standards, Phx/Scottsdale is bland and lacking culture. Therefore, status is overemphasized, but mostly relegated to Scottsdale and the wealthy East Valley suburbs - which are essentially the same patch of hot desert, but with slightly better architecture. NPC's have a hard time seeing this though, they act like Scottsdale is La Jolla when the scenery pales in comparison to even Palm Springs.
 
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Do you run by yourself? The runs I’ve been on it’s usually with a group of about 3-5 people and we always get a chance to mingle with others after the race. Easy opportunity to talk to women.
 
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I have ran alot too. You have the limited time before the race starts and some people including myself get pre-race jitters.
I have talked to women during the race and really should have number closed once.
After the race there is definitely some time to talk near the finish line.

There are plenty of times where a girl runs a race with her friend and certain races have more women than male participants.

Challenge accepted. I have a race coming up soon.
Yeah, I get pre-race jitters as well (so talking to women before the race is not on my mind) since I know I have a world of pain coming my way. A 5K is still tough when you hit that wall at around the 2-mile mark.
 

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By big city standards, Phx/Scottsdale is bland and lacking culture. Therefore, status is overemphasized, but mostly relegated to Scottsdale and the wealthy East Valley suburbs - which are essentially the same patch of hot desert, but with slightly better architecture.
All true. I plan to expand on this post in the Phoenix thread....


Like the bar/club scene, the guy to girl ration is closer to 2 to 1.
There are plenty of women walkers/runners. Why do you think the male to female ratio at 5k races is terrible?

When I ride bicycle paths in my city, male bicyclists seem to outnumber female bicyclists around 8 to 1.

Tennis is a sausage fest too in a lot of cases, but it has the reputation of being female friendly.

Volleyball is probably the best sport for meeting women.
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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All true. I plan to expand on this post in the Phoenix thread....




There are plenty of women walkers/runners. Why do you think the male to female ratio at 5k races is terrible?

When I ride bicycle paths in my city, male bicyclists seem to outnumber female bicyclists around 8 to 1.

Tennis is a sausage fest too in a lot of cases, but it has the reputation of being female friendly.

Volleyball is probably the best sport for meeting women.
Maybe not 2 to 1, but it definitely leans towards men 60/40 or so and I don't know why.
 
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I guess it's easier to stare at a woman's ass or tits without being obvious when you are passing quickly on a bike ;)
 

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I guess it's easier to stare at a woman's ass or tits without being obvious when you are passing quickly on a bike ;)
Two things you don't stare at without sunglasses:

1: The Sun

2: Boobs
 

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People trying to get skinny fat. No thanks
This. It's been discussed long before on T-Nation's forums. Find another hobby OP. You'd have more fun pulling straight women from gay bars.
 

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I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

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