Hypergamy stuffs…

[UK manc]

check out this video analysis .

I’m reasonably fit btw. I walk a lot, swim a lot and used to do hot yoga but that’s lapsed. I need to get back to the yoga. And some other classes too possibly kickboxing etc

but for me to change my physique , like noticeably..it’s gonna be bulking up and getting a V taper w bigger shoulders chest and biceps .
I need wider shoulders especially.

That be hard graft for at least a year of bodybuilding basically.

But even then dude , I am capped out at 5’10” tall + 7 face vs the average Aussie bloke who are a fair bit Taller PLUS Ripped .(as aussies seem to start lifting at 10 years old or something idk lol)

Just saying, there is real caps and limits.
It won’t do much for my face actually.

At 5'10" I reckon a good end goal target would be 160lbs. I wouldn't see it as "bodybuilding" but just a plan to get stronger. 3 hours per week is nothing in terms of outlay or investment, for great gains.

 

[Cheeky_James]

At 5'10" I reckon a good end goal target would be 160lbs. I wouldn't see it as "bodybuilding" but just a plan to get stronger. 3 hours per week is nothing in terms of outlay or investment, for great gains.

Hmm, 160lbs =72.6kgs , seems a bit low in weight. But I’ll give it a shot.
3 hours pw is doable.

 

[Cheeky_James]

@Bigpapa
One pattern I have noticed with some chicks is this -

if they ask me a lot of questions early on ,.. like question after question… in the first 20-30 mins that seems to be a bad sign

another thing I find to be true is -
if a chick likes a guy , she will make it easy for him.
(And she will help him out if/when he fvcks up.)

And also if a chick likes a guy, she’ll be a bit nervous or act nervous (as a flirting thing)


There’s a chance I misread the situ and she wanted to actually just get laid that night . In which case yes , I was too slow in hour 1.
She could have helped me out in hour 2 though!, when my hand was on her leg, back and ass. And I was eyefvcking her.
She didn’t stiffen up but just kept talking through my escalation attempts. Enjoying the sound of her own voice,

Window had closed perhaps as you analysed.
Had to say tbh.

I reckon attraction was not there from the start her side, she gave me time to see what else was there and was not swayed .

 

[Cheeky_James]

@Bigpapa
Reflecting on your analysis .. I think you’re right.

Actually jsut had an idea . a comprimise for me could be for me to have more steps in my screening process. Try use more voice memos early in the chat ( so they can use that for making their decision early ) move to get more phone numbers quicker and start calling/ FaceTiming them firstly before dates.

if they are not flirting or showing choosing signals by voice memos, or on the phone /video calls then just don’t bother to proceed to a date.

bingo!

with apps the question mark is always “what are they open to w me?” . I think I’m messing up by matching w some chicks that have LTR /Serious in their bio and thibking I can seduce them on a date.
That’s happened a few times.
Just got my 2nd Dead John txt of the week just now from yesterdays date w a blondie. Mehhh.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

I do wonder about this Chadfishing /catfishing stuff

Like, if I tried dis strategy

(a) I catfished w my app profile, (to a degree but not completely )
Ie making myself a bit more handsome +buffer body in my pics, maybe added a tattoo or 2 (with software) and also stated I was 6 foot + tall..
So an 8-9/10 guy.

and then upon matching

(b) ran great sexualised flirting game/ sexual role
Play game to get the chick REALLY mentally and physically aroused…’dripping wet ‘ shall we say

Then if I got her over to my place … and then she opens the door and meets the real CJ…(the 7/10 CJ)

What are the odds she’ll still proceed to fvck me???

I mean she already made the mental effort and the physical effort to get there right? , and is super wet n horny..and has sexual fantasies playing in her head…she’s revving and good to go…

I reckon a good chance ?!

(Note to self : Must try this experiment )

Make sure to comfort bond while you are getting her dripping wet. And strike when the iron is hot. If she is very highly interested and your timing is right it should generally work.

 

[Cheeky_James]

Make sure to comfort bond while you are getting her dripping wet. And strike when the iron is hot. If she is very highly interested and your timing is right it should generally work.

yeah I know .. but when you say ‘should ‘.. do you know anyone that’s actually tried it /done it.

I mean in my mind. The worst that can happen is a slap. Or more likely she just vents “ oh for FVCK sake!.”. Etc and storms off..

Also there is the risk she’ll report me off the app.
If I don’t unmatch her quick enough.
I think Hinge has tracking sh1t on it actually - post unmatch not sure

 

[Cheeky_James]

One remark though, usually girls that have “ looking for fun “ or something like that were the also the fastest ones to unmatch me or go cold

I don’t think I ever managed to go on a date ( at least ) with a girl that said is looking for fun in her profile

they are also significantly less attractive from my experience

I suspect that they add that they are looking for fun as a way to attract attention on them and get their dose of attention from higher caliber guys

I agree this selection option is a bit of a red herring.
Those girls must be the most bombared chicks on the apps - with offers of d1ck. lol.

I was on FEELD (the spicier app) for a year.
It was so sh1t . As women are inundated .
Like 3000 likes in a week.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

yeah I know .. but when you say ‘should ‘.. do you know anyone that’s actually tried it /done it.

I mean in my mind. The worst that can happen is a slap. Or more likely she just vents “ oh for FVCK sake!.”. Etc and storms off..

Also there is the risk she’ll report me off the app.
If I don’t unmatch her quick enough.
I think Hinge has tracking sh1t on it actually - post unmatch not sure

Most everyone uses pictures that puts them in a slightly better light than real life

Which is why offering a date after 3-4 app exchanges and thinking your work is done is a bad idea. You need to build rapport, both sexual and comfort-wise to give you some sort of buffer against any slight in-person disappointment upon meeting, and to avoid the 2 hour, $70, one-and-done dates.

 

[Cheeky_James]

Most everyone uses pictures that puts them in a slightly better light than real life

Which is why offering a date after 3-4 app exchanges and thinking your work is done is a bad idea. You need to build rapport, both sexual and comfort-wise to give you some sort of buffer against any slight in-person disappointment upon meeting, and to avoid the 2 hour, $70, one-and-done dates.

how many text exchanges would you do roughly ( on average ) to do all of the above . Like total texts both sides..

hard to buffer against instant smv issues in person tho hey…
(Just sayin..)
Or as women call it “ that chemistry” or “romantic connection” lol

I’ve started implementing my new screening game and just sent out a bunch of sexy voice memos today , to try speed up their selection, I shall see what happens and report here.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

how many text exchanges would you do roughly ( on average ) to do all of the above . Like total texts both sides..

hard to buffer against instant smv issues in person tho hey…
(Just sayin..)
Or as women call it “ that chemistry” or “romantic connection” lol

I’ve started implementing my new screening game and just sent out a bunch of sexy voice memos today , to try speed up their selection, I shall see what happens and report here.

My process is a little longer but it's also somewhat templated so it's not that much work. Maybe around 15 or so exchanges in the app or site and then twice that via phone text but there needs to be consistent high interest, including sexual high interest, that grows throughout the interaction. A lot of the same lines and moves are used with different women at similar points in the interaction, but the flow must be organic feeling. Not that big of a deal assuming one isn't a hardcore autist lol.

The point is to establish a modicum of "chemistry" and "romantic connection" before the in-person meet to give yourself leeway. It can be done, because I do it all the time lol.

Ideally you want the chick masturbating to you before meeting and thinking of you as a hot boyfriend/lover prospect before she even sees you in the flesh. This won't work with jaded/hurt women and the more notorious of the serial daters and hopeless romantics, so you do have to screen.

 

[Cheeky_James]

My process is a little longer but it's also somewhat templated so it's not that much work. Maybe around 15 or so exchanges in the app or site and then twice that via phone text but there needs to be consistent high interest, including sexual high interest, that grows throughout the interaction. A lot of the same lines and moves are used with different women at similar points in the interaction, but the flow must be organic feeling. Not that big of a deal assuming one isn't a hardcore autist lol.

The point is to establish a modicum of "chemistry" and "romantic connection" before the in-person meet to give yourself leeway. It can be done, because I do it all the time lol.

Ideally you want the chick masturbating to you before meeting and thinking of you as a hot boyfriend/lover prospect before she even sees you in the flesh. This won't work with jaded/hurt women and the more notorious of the serial daters and hopeless romantics, so you do have to screen.

ok do you have an examples or receipts I could use for reference pls thanks.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

ok do you have an examples or receipts I could use for reference pls thanks.

Needy!

 

[Cheeky_James]

Needy!

I was expecting that Billy.
VATS DA MATTER BILLY? CIA GOT U PUSHING TOO MANY PENCILS?

 

[Bingo-Player]

Too much nonsense on app's the juice is not worth the squeeze

Go to the gym same time every day for a couple months become a familiar face scope out the regular baddies that go same time as you and then make small talk

Once you've done the icebreaker it becomes very easy to chat to them then you can slow burn them.

Women generally much prefer the mysterious interactions trying to find out bits of information about you thats how real attraction builds and if you do it right she starts to look forward to seeing you.

You can do this in any IRL location where you see the same people frequently I've even done it in public libraries

Not this bullsh1t on the apps where its like

" hey your hot -do you like my photo - yea / no- lets go on a date " - recipe for disappointment lol

 

[Cheeky_James]

Too much nonsense on app's the juice is not worth the squeeze

Go to the gym same time every day for a couple months become a familiar face scope out the regular baddies that go same time as you and then make small talk

Once you've done the icebreaker it becomes very easy to chat to them then you can slow burn them.

Women generally much prefer the mysterious interactions trying to find out bits of information about you thats how real attraction builds and if you do it right she starts to look forward to seeing you.

You can do this in any IRL location where you see the same people frequently I've even done it in public libraries

Not this bullsh1t on the apps where its like

" hey your hot -do you like my photo - yea / no- lets go on a date " - recipe for disappointment lol

mmm yeah. The social circle /gym is a strong strategy.

but re the last part .. apps bullsh1t etc;

I got 15 or so lays Jan-April this year off apps.
App game is a bit different as the comms are firstly and crucially the written word.
so it’s gonna rely a lot on a guys banter and what he can do with the written word. Plus voicememos. Or onto phonecalls. His voice tonalities also.

That’s given he gets attraction off his pics that is.

 

[UK manc]

Too much nonsense on app's the juice is not worth the squeeze

Go to the gym same time every day for a couple months become a familiar face scope out the regular baddies that go same time as you and then make small talk

Once you've done the icebreaker it becomes very easy to chat to them then you can slow burn them.

Women generally much prefer the mysterious interactions trying to find out bits of information about you thats how real attraction builds and if you do it right she starts to look forward to seeing you.

You can do this in any IRL location where you see the same people frequently I've even done it in public libraries

Not this bullsh1t on the apps where its like

" hey your hot -do you like my photo - yea / no- lets go on a date " - recipe for disappointment lol

Good call, I sort of have this at my gym now. Going at the same time is key. Everyone becomes a familiar face. The 6am weekday crowd also become the 8am weekend crowd, and you can filter for the weekend warriors that drop out.

Any other places that are similar? I don't drink so propping up bars at midnight isn't my thing...

 

[Bingo-Player]

mmm yeah. The social circle /gym is a strong strategy.

but re the last part and apps bullsh1t.
I got 15 or so lays Jan-April this year off apps.
App game is a bit different as the comms are firstly and crucially the written word.
so it’s gonna rely a lot on a guys banter and what he can do with the written word. Plus voicememos. Given he gets attraction off his pics that is.

But the women on them are generally awful Bottom of barrel quality

If you're just dating to fvck on an app you might as well cut out the middle man and get an escort

 

[Bingo-Player]

Good call, I sort of have this at my gym now. Going at the same time is key. Everyone becomes a familiar face. The 6am weekday crowd also become the 8am weekend crowd, and you can filter for the weekend warriors that drop out.

Any other places that are similar? I don't drink so propping up bars at midnight isn't my thing...

Not my scene but I have friends who are religious that pick women up in churches

I'm told theres a lot of nutcases but depends what you're into

 

[Cheeky_James]

But the women on them are generally awful Bottom of barrel quality

If you're just dating to fvck on an app you might as well cut out the middle man and get an escort

lol. No I get these ch1cks for FREE baby.
(When I do)
And have had a few quite decent /sexy ones too.

 

[Cheeky_James]

Good call, I sort of have this at my gym now. Going at the same time is key. Everyone becomes a familiar face. The 6am weekday crowd also become the 8am weekend crowd, and you can filter for the weekend warriors that drop out.

Any other places that are similar? I don't drink so propping up bars at midnight isn't my thing...

yeah dude…
But how many are you actually pulling?
Or have pulled in the past w this strategy?
Otherwise this is just theorising and wishful thinking.
Just sayin.

also in addition - had you spoken to other guys who pull from the gym circle strategy?

like. Is there good evidence it’s actually a thing..