Old Age advice vs New Age advice

[quodlibet]

Hence why it pivoted to the red & black pill lol because doom and gloom sells and it's easy to tell a guy to lookmax vs get game.

To be fair, I don't think mainstream mansosphere are emphasizing looksmaxxing. It's more about getting one's life in order, having a healthy lifestyle and developing proper social skills.

As for the black pill people, they're ****ed no matter what, whether old or new advice. Their problem goes way deeper, most of whom are neurodivergent and nothing will likely work for them.

 

[Bigpapa]

As for the black pill people, they're ****ed no matter what, whether old or new advice. Their problem goes way deeper, most of whom are neurodivergent and nothing will likely work for them.

but also most women these days have some sort of mental problem. Same with guys

This is something that is missed and very important for seduction through whatever lenses you are looking at it

 

[CornbreadFed]

To be fair, I don't think mainstream mansosphere are emphasizing looksmaxxing. It's more about getting one's life in order, having a healthy lifestyle and developing proper social skills.

As for the black pill people, they're ****ed no matter what, whether old or new advice. Their problem goes way deeper, most of whom are neurodivergent and nothing will likely work for them.

Gymmaxxing is looksmaxxing. They aren't as extreme as going to get surgery, but it does promote looksmaxxing to a degree.

 

[quodlibet]

^ Maybe there are different interpretations of looksmaxxing.

IMO, going to the gym and looking one's best is not looksmaxxing. That's just commonsense before the concept looksmaxxing was even invented by the black pill losers.

Looksmaxxing is going extreme like surgery, wearing make up, dressing up ridiculously and/or spending over 30 minutes per day on hair.

If I were back into my 20s, I'd go the gym so that I have some muscle tone (not interested in having a body building body). For hair, I'll cut it so all I'd need is 3 minutes to blow dry. Then wear a slightly-faded graphics t-shirt and jeans.

I don't think all this is "looksmaxxing".

 

[Doctor Europeo]

Come on man...... unless you are in an archaic culture like in the middle east or a high school kid, you are not going to sleep with a virgin, unless she is the literally below the bottom of the barrel. And IF you actually find a virgin above 20, there will be no fvcking before marriage.

Bit of an extreme there. Saying that this has been your experience, or even the experience of most posters here, would be more accurate. But I get what you're saying.
There are too many variables involved: age, location, socioeconomic circles, family circumstances, social circles, and plain dumb luck, among others. The probability for someone around BadBoy's age/location (or older) may be very low. He could do everything right and still have a very difficult time finding a virgin, let alone attracting one.
And that's not even taking into account that someone's sexual history isn't always something you can reliably determine from what they tell you, that's a whole other wrinkle.

this virginity obsession , especially in this global culture, is a cope to blame the exterior rather than for guys to look within and be accountable that whatever their circumstances is mainly about them and not the world

If it's coming from men who aren't successful with women, then yes, I can see how it could be a form of cope. But that argument can work both ways. A similar argument could be made about men who have never pulled a virgin, or who did so when they were younger but weren't able to maintain the relationship.
Ultimately, though, a lot of men simply don't want a virgin, and that's perfectly fine. Different men have different preferences and experiences.

 

[Mike32ct]

To be fair, I don't think mainstream mansosphere are emphasizing looksmaxxing. It's more about getting one's life in order, having a healthy lifestyle and developing proper social skills.

As for the black pill people, they're ****ed no matter what, whether old or new advice. Their problem goes way deeper, most of whom are neurodivergent and nothing will likely work for them.

In all fairness, the neurodivergent guys have no way of knowing if their problem is caused by their neurodivergence or lack of looks. So many will default to looks and looksmaxxing because it is at least observable in the mirror. Also, no chick is going to tell them “You look fine; you’re just a little ‘off’”

Manosphere / red pill recommends broad improvements over many areas of life, which is great. But it could also be seen as “I still don’t know why women don’t like me, so I’m going to throw everything against the wall (fitness, money, status, social skills) and hope something sticks.”

 

[Arete]

Gymmaxxing is looksmaxxing. They aren't as extreme as going to get surgery, but it does promote looksmaxxing to a degree.

I would argue that there are also people that go to the gym to get more speed/strength for their respective sports. Like a sprinter or people that play ball games more seriously.

The definition of looksmaxxing you sugest is too broad, one could argue anything that once used to be called "self improvement" is now "looksmaxxing". Leading an excellent lifestyle will show in your appearance one way or the other.

I don't see why anyone would associate looksmaxxing with physical training. Wasn't lookmaxxing about shortcuts like taking steroids? Or getting surgery done for a better jawline instead of first attempting an optimized diet?

I say training hard 3-6 times a week while working a job surely is not a shortcut in life.

 

[Bigpapa]

If it's coming from men who aren't successful with women, then yes, I can see how it could be a form of cope. But that argument can work both ways. A similar argument could be made about men who have never pulled a virgin, or who did so when they were younger but weren't able to maintain the relationship.
Ultimately, though, a lot of men simply don't want a virgin, and that's perfectly fine. Different men have different preferences and experiences.

I never encountered a guy whom was obsessed with virgins and was successful with women. Or at least decentish with women

because if you are at least decentish with women you realize that it is not about it the woman is a virgin or not , but more about other aspects

being obsessed with virginity is more about coping / having mental issues rather than anything else, because virginity is not an important thing in the grand scheme of things

 

[Doctor Europeo]

I never encountered a guy whom was obsessed with virgins and was successful with women. Or at least decentish with women

because if you are at least decentish with women you realize that it is not about it the woman is a virgin or not , but more about other aspects

being obsessed with virginity is more about coping / having mental issues rather than anything else, because virginity is not an important thing in the grand scheme of things

I politely disagree with the idea that having a strong preference for a virgin automatically means you're coping or have mental issues, but It can certainly be the case with many men (Heck, a lot of members here clearly have mental issues regardless of their preferences). A man can be successful with women and still have preferences regarding a woman's sexual history. Whether that preference is important (and how important it Is) to him is ultimately a personal matter.

I agree that virginity isn't the only factor when choosing a partner. Compatibility, personality, attraction, values, etc. obviously matter too. But that doesn't mean virginity has to be completely irrelevant to everyone in all circumstances

Thank you for your reply. I have said my piece and have nothing further to disscuss with you regarding this particular matter so I will stop replying to you before we start going in circles.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

You didn't responded previously, and that was a wise decision.

My lack of response was in your best interest.

And now you cowardly qoute a small part of my post ,taking the message out of context.

Your message continues to be; use money as leverage (whether for self-confidence, or chick-magnetism) to get women.

That is the context.

Terrible context, and concept.

I understand that when you go through life like a low value boy/ man-child that you get triggered when real men thalk about grown man shyte.

This guy^.

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I know, you rather have men roaming the streets like a jester, begging women for p00sy. Because thats literally your life and all you know!

Party like its 1999!!!

Nah, that doesn't sound like me, pimp.

And on top of that also overweight women who are older than 50 sometimes 60 ( facts!!!!!).

Yeah, and I also deal with slim women who are younger than 50, sometimes 30.

Next..

Im trying to teach men that they only have 24 hours per day and that every hour needs to be spent wisely.

Please, oh wise one, share with us a breakdown of how we should spend every hour of our 24-hour day.

We're so lost without your knowledge, wisdom, and insight.

Do share.

The more I understand women, life and money the more I'll advocate for money over p00sy.

Yeah, but the problem with that dumbass logic is; those two things (money/puzzy) aren't mutually exclusive.

Not to mention the fact that, again, money shouldn't be even be considered in one's quest to get women.

But it is for you apparently.

Mr. "I lead with my wallet".

Even Biggi told you so back in 1995( feck b1tches ,get money).

And Mike Jones told you back in 2005..

"Back then, they didn't want me. Now I'm hot, they all on me".

Gold diggers, and attention wh0res who don't give a fuk about you without your money or status.

Let me repeat what I responded to because you're a slow learner: ( orginal qoute)The big difference is the time required. You can learn “game” in a few months. Improving money/status can take years. The modern gurus need to be honest about how long it actually takes

Aww shiit, man. Thanks for schooling me.

Because at first, I thought that learning game takes years, and improving money/status takes months.

But after I learned from you, I found out that it's actually the opposite.

Thanks, bro.

Every time I read your posts, I learn something.

So let's both stay in our lane; you stay in your lane where you spam approach (old) women all day every day, I stay in my lane where I grind 14 hours per day while building a solid bizz while sleeping with women whenever I feel like its convenient.

Sayonara

I'll definitely stay in my lane..but whenever I catch you on here saying dumb shiit that is counterproductive to men's growth, I'll get my red ink pen out and make the proper correction(s).

 

[Bigpapa]

I politely disagree with the idea that having a strong preference for a virgin automatically means you're coping or have mental issues, but It can certainly be the case with many men (Heck, a lot of members here clearly have mental issues regardless of their preferences). A man can be successful with women and still have preferences regarding a woman's sexual history. Whether that preference is important (and how important it Is) to him is ultimately a personal matter.

I agree that virginity isn't the only factor when choosing a partner. Compatibility, personality, attraction, values, etc. obviously matter too. But that doesn't mean virginity has to be completely irrelevant to everyone in all circumstances

Thank you for your reply. I have said my piece and have nothing further to disscuss with you regarding this particular matter so I will stop replying to you before we start going in circles.

we would not go in circles if you would not beat it around the bush on why someone would care if a woman is a virgin or not

especially during these times, where most likely in any culture that exists you would not find a true virgin after 21

 

[CornbreadFed]

If I were back into my 20s, I'd go the gym so that I have some muscle tone (not interested in having a body building body). For hair, I'll cut it so all I'd need is 3 minutes to blow dry. Then wear a slightly-faded graphics t-shirt and jeans.

I don't think all this is "looksmaxxing".

I don't see why anyone would associate looksmaxxing with physical training. Wasn't lookmaxxing about shortcuts like taking steroids? Or getting surgery done for a better jawline instead of first attempting an optimized diet?

The gym is not a prerequisite for success with women, nor is it essential for success in most areas outside of athletics or competitive sports. Plenty of men never set foot in a gym and still manage to have healthy, active sex lives and successful relationships with women. The idea that going to the gym is essential to male success is largely amplified by the Manosphere, which promotes gym culture as a core pillar of male self-improvement, attractiveness, and status. If you are going to the gym to improve your smv then you are looksmaxxing.