LR - 113

[BPH]

Yeah...lately, I don't know what to say either - but at least this one isn't from a dating app.

Last night was the start of my nearly 2-week stay up here in Philly to dogsit for my buddy again. I got in a bit late, so once I unpacked, got set up, and took care of the pets, I went out to Barstool around midnight.

It was surprisingly dead, so I didn't stick around long, but as I was preparing to leave, this really gorgeous girl and her friend came. I told her I was going to McGillin's, and that she should give me her number and meet me there once she gets tired of this place, so she did. She's not the focus of the story, but she's partly responsible for me meeting the girl who is.

Anyway, went to McGillin's, had a few drinks there, it was busy enough, but it was mostly guys. The girl from Barstool hadn't arrived yet, so I decided to leave and head back to Barstool; I figured I'd either see her still there or it might have picked up by then. Neither was true.

She texted me soon after I got back to Barstool that she couldn't get into McGillin's with her friend because they weren't carrying cash for the cover, and went to a bar across from it called Bru, instead. Barstool hadn't picked up, and was even more dead than before, but it was now about 1:30 AM, and I wasn't sure they'd let me in, but there was nothing here for me, so I chanced it.

Side note: I found it kinda funny that even though it was dead, there were plenty of hot girls at this one table, celebrating something. I got a kick out of it because they were all done up, dressed to the 9s, and had one guy with them that might've been gay - but they looked like they were having ZERO fun. They were just sitting there, on their phones, and recording stuff for Instagram. I don't get it...

Anyway, went to Bru's, but she's not there. She's also not answering her phone now. I can't do anything else at this hour, so I just chill there and sip some water till closing, expecting to have to Uber home soon. As I'm preparing to order the ride, she texts me, telling me she and her friend are at Voyeur and telling me to come. Again, I don't have anything better planned, so I opt for the adventure.

What I did NOT know was that this is something of a gay club, and that it was a $30 cover charge, neither of which I was particularly happy with. But I tried to make the most of it, and I did eventually meet up with that girl, her friend hovering over the conversation nearby. She tells me they're about to leave, and that this place isn't really their vibe...I'm disappointed, but I try to make something out of nothing by telling her that I spent the last hour trying to meet up with her, and now she's about to leave, and that I think that effort deserves at least a kiss. Her friend overhears and tells her not to, saying that's "not how it works" and that I should take her out first - even though the girl herself seemed into it. At this point, I kinda checked out and just shook my head, saying that "yeah, we could grab a drink tomorrow at Morgan's Pier" or something. She said bye, hugged me, and left soon after that.

So now I'm standing, by myself, in a gay club that I spent $30 to get into, which is open until 4 AM. I'd just gotten a drink before she told me she was leaving, so I thought I'd look around and see if I could find a good reason to stay. And I did.

I'm walking around the dancefloor just scoping out the place when I see a sexy blonde with 2 of her girl friends, and 2 obviously gay guy friends (one of whom I caught staring at me before I came up to the girl). My opening line was something along the lines of "please tell me you're one of the few straight women in here", which she got a laugh out of. Turns out she's single, just had a birthday and turned 31, and was visiting with her friends to celebrate it. We hit it off, so once I finish my drink and she finishes hers, I bring her to the bar for a birthday shot with me, explaining how mine was just over 2 weeks ago. While we're waiting for the shots, I asked her if she'd gotten a birthday kiss yet. She says no, so I tell her I'll fix that, and we end up having a little mini-makeout right then and there.

She loves that I'm a good kisser, and to her credit, she's very good too. I asked her what she's doing after this, and her plan was just to go back to the hotel she's staying at with these friends and go to sleep. I explained that I was watching some pets for my buddy while he's on vacation with his fiancée, and invited her over to meet them - if that sounds more interesting than just going to sleep, of course. She agrees, but doesn't want to leave her friends quite yet, so I introduce myself to them and spend the next 20 minutes or so alternating between dancing and making out with my girl. Soon after, she's ready to leave, so I order the Uber, and we go.

We get to the apartment, and initially it's kind of a pain, because the dog is very excited by new people, and is constantly barking, but we eventually calm him down enough for us to have sex in peace. She was a very sexy, blue-eyed blonde with pierced nips, which I very much enjoyed. By this point, it's nearly 4 AM, so we just go to sleep after that first round.

She's up a bit early because she has to head back to her friends and celebrate some other birthday festivities. As it turns out, she visits most weekends, and I told her I'd still be here next weekend if she wanted to visit again. She also doesn't really have plans after those festivities, so I told her she could come over again if that sounded more fun than just driving back home. We lay in bed, making out, waiting for her Uber, and it was a bit of a shame because we were both getting turned on before realizing her driver was almost there. I tossed on some clothes, walked her outside, kissed her goodbye, and texted her to get home safe, which she "liked".

May see her again tonight, but if not, I'll probably just go to one of the bars on the water, since it's finally a nice, warm night. She was a good bit of fun, so I'd prefer Option 1, given the choice.

Now, I know these LRs might come across as "brags", but I want to point out what I think guys should take away from this:

• You do not need friends or wingmen to go out and meet women. I'd argue it's actually easier since you don't have to worry about other people as much
• Adapt. The only attractive girl I'd met left me at a bar that cost me $30 to get into, after having me spend the last hour going to different places to meet her, just to see her. I could've called it a night and gone home pissy that my only prospect didn't work out - but instead I went and tried to find a new one
• Being direct is the best way to go about approaching because you can WATCH how she reacts to being hit on - not ONLY listen to what she says
• Isolation is key - I took her to the bar with me, away from her friends, so she's free to be genuine in showing her interest, or reacting to mine
• You, as the man, have to lead. Everything that happened here happened because I went and did it; from deciding that I would try to make the best out of a shi**y situation, to approaching this girl with her friends, to isolating her at the bar, to going for the kiss, to inviting her back with me, to actually facilitating that by ordering the ride and appeasing her friends enough to leave her alone with me - ALWAYS LEAD. Go until you're stopped

 

[Bingo-Player]

You've done enough ONS to know the drill , it gets easier with each one because you end up realising most women that are lingering around clubs / dive bars in the early hours are also on the hunt for pipe as it sounds like this blonde was

The faster they submit the more your confidence for this type of shenanigans grows

The problem is (and the main reason I stopped this type of stuff) is because lurking around bars till the early hours trying to pretend you're having fun is exhausting the amount of energy you have to use is not sustainable and arguably not worth it for the standard / quality of women thats usually available

Drinks and entry are so expensive now that its not really something you can do just for the sake of it , really you need to be somewhat inebriated to tolerate the drunks , loud music and chaotic energy

 

[BPH]

you end up realising most women that are lingering around clubs / dive bars in the early hours are also on the hunt for pipe as it sounds like this blonde was

I've preached this for a long time. They might not necessarily be on the "hunt", but where they are now is probably their final destination. They aren't bar hopping, like the first girl was (she had been to 3 places prior to Barstool and said that was the best place they'd been to so far).

The problem is (and the main reason I stopped this type of stuff) is because lurking around bars till the early hours trying to pretend you're having fun is exhausting

It's different if you're not having fun, sure. I enjoy it because Delaware is so lacking in nightlife. So when I find a spot that has good music, a fun crowd, and hot women, I'm basically a kid in a candy store.

As far as quality, that depends on what you're looking for. I'm content with the revolving door of the chase because the reason I enjoy women so much is due to the variety. I'm also not looking for anything serious, so meeting a hot blonde who's a good kisser, with really great pierced breasts, definitely satisfies me.

Drinks and entry are so expensive now

This I do agree with...aside from McGillin's, my drink order is $12 for a single Captain Morgan/Diet Coke.

 

[intricate design]

What is Lr 113?

 

[characternote]

but they looked like they were having ZERO fun. They were just sitting there, on their phones, and recording stuff for Instagram. I don't get it...

I live in a small town in the UK outside of London. There are no shortage of absolutely beautiful young girls despite the UK sterotype. I see a tonne, even in my sh1tty town, and I also see what you describe. It's almost all I see. Girls looks stunning, get all dressed up, but they just sit together in their little groups, mostly looking at their phones and don't seem to be really having fun, and if they get approached (which is rare as it's amazingly uncommon in the UK compared to the US) they will just not talk back to the dude and shoe him away lol. it's funny!

I know these LRs might come across as "brags"

Don't worry about it. I think people know you're a good looking dude and so everyone expects you to get laid when you go out tbh haha.
And any of us with very good looking friends (my wingman is an absolute gigachad whose stories wouldn't even be believed if I shared what i've seen him do!) are kind of numb/immune to any sort of jealousy or whatever, so you're probably good on that front, too!! . I like reading them personally, even if I got only rejections last night lmao

Keep it up and enjoy it whilst it lasts! I wanna be here for the LR 1000!!

 

[nicksaiz65]

Good ish man. Yeah, it doesn’t come across as braggy, the idea behind these is so that we can learn what works from others experiences when we wind up in similar situations. Isolating then making out especially is a good tip.

 

[Plinco]

What is Lr 113?

Lay report number 113

 

[Westminster]

Yeah...lately, I don't know what to say either - but at least this one isn't from a dating app.

Last night was the start of my nearly 2-week stay up here in Philly to dogsit for my buddy again. I got in a bit late, so once I unpacked, got set up, and took care of the pets, I went out to Barstool around midnight.

It was surprisingly dead, so I didn't stick around long, but as I was preparing to leave, this really gorgeous girl and her friend came. I told her I was going to McGillin's, and that she should give me her number and meet me there once she gets tired of this place, so she did. She's not the focus of the story, but she's partly responsible for me meeting the girl who is.

Anyway, went to McGillin's, had a few drinks there, it was busy enough, but it was mostly guys. The girl from Barstool hadn't arrived yet, so I decided to leave and head back to Barstool; I figured I'd either see her still there or it might have picked up by then. Neither was true.

She texted me soon after I got back to Barstool that she couldn't get into McGillin's with her friend because they weren't carrying cash for the cover, and went to a bar across from it called Bru, instead. Barstool hadn't picked up, and was even more dead than before, but it was now about 1:30 AM, and I wasn't sure they'd let me in, but there was nothing here for me, so I chanced it.

Side note: I found it kinda funny that even though it was dead, there were plenty of hot girls at this one table, celebrating something. I got a kick out of it because they were all done up, dressed to the 9s, and had one guy with them that might've been gay - but they looked like they were having ZERO fun. They were just sitting there, on their phones, and recording stuff for Instagram. I don't get it...

Anyway, went to Bru's, but she's not there. She's also not answering her phone now. I can't do anything else at this hour, so I just chill there and sip some water till closing, expecting to have to Uber home soon. As I'm preparing to order the ride, she texts me, telling me she and her friend are at Voyeur and telling me to come. Again, I don't have anything better planned, so I opt for the adventure.

What I did NOT know was that this is something of a gay club, and that it was a $30 cover charge, neither of which I was particularly happy with. But I tried to make the most of it, and I did eventually meet up with that girl, her friend hovering over the conversation nearby. She tells me they're about to leave, and that this place isn't really their vibe...I'm disappointed, but I try to make something out of nothing by telling her that I spent the last hour trying to meet up with her, and now she's about to leave, and that I think that effort deserves at least a kiss. Her friend overhears and tells her not to, saying that's "not how it works" and that I should take her out first - even though the girl herself seemed into it. At this point, I kinda checked out and just shook my head, saying that "yeah, we could grab a drink tomorrow at Morgan's Pier" or something. She said bye, hugged me, and left soon after that.

So now I'm standing, by myself, in a gay club that I spent $30 to get into, which is open until 4 AM. I'd just gotten a drink before she told me she was leaving, so I thought I'd look around and see if I could find a good reason to stay. And I did.

I'm walking around the dancefloor just scoping out the place when I see a sexy blonde with 2 of her girl friends, and 2 obviously gay guy friends (one of whom I caught staring at me before I came up to the girl). My opening line was something along the lines of "please tell me you're one of the few straight women in here", which she got a laugh out of. Turns out she's single, just had a birthday and turned 31, and was visiting with her friends to celebrate it. We hit it off, so once I finish my drink and she finishes hers, I bring her to the bar for a birthday shot with me, explaining how mine was just over 2 weeks ago. While we're waiting for the shots, I asked her if she'd gotten a birthday kiss yet. She says no, so I tell her I'll fix that, and we end up having a little mini-makeout right then and there.

She loves that I'm a good kisser, and to her credit, she's very good too. I asked her what she's doing after this, and her plan was just to go back to the hotel she's staying at with these friends and go to sleep. I explained that I was watching some pets for my buddy while he's on vacation with his fiancée, and invited her over to meet them - if that sounds more interesting than just going to sleep, of course. She agrees, but doesn't want to leave her friends quite yet, so I introduce myself to them and spend the next 20 minutes or so alternating between dancing and making out with my girl. Soon after, she's ready to leave, so I order the Uber, and we go.

We get to the apartment, and initially it's kind of a pain, because the dog is very excited by new people, and is constantly barking, but we eventually calm him down enough for us to have sex in peace. She was a very sexy, blue-eyed blonde with pierced nips, which I very much enjoyed. By this point, it's nearly 4 AM, so we just go to sleep after that first round.

She's up a bit early because she has to head back to her friends and celebrate some other birthday festivities. As it turns out, she visits most weekends, and I told her I'd still be here next weekend if she wanted to visit again. She also doesn't really have plans after those festivities, so I told her she could come over again if that sounded more fun than just driving back home. We lay in bed, making out, waiting for her Uber, and it was a bit of a shame because we were both getting turned on before realizing her driver was almost there. I tossed on some clothes, walked her outside, kissed her goodbye, and texted her to get home safe, which she "liked".

May see her again tonight, but if not, I'll probably just go to one of the bars on the water, since it's finally a nice, warm night. She was a good bit of fun, so I'd prefer Option 1, given the choice.

Now, I know these LRs might come across as "brags", but I want to point out what I think guys should take away from this:

• You do not need friends or wingmen to go out and meet women. I'd argue it's actually easier since you don't have to worry about other people as much
• Adapt. The only attractive girl I'd met left me at a bar that cost me $30 to get into, after having me spend the last hour going to different places to meet her, just to see her. I could've called it a night and gone home pissy that my only prospect didn't work out - but instead I went and tried to find a new one
• Being direct is the best way to go about approaching because you can WATCH how she reacts to being hit on - not ONLY listen to what she says
• Isolation is key - I took her to the bar with me, away from her friends, so she's free to be genuine in showing her interest, or reacting to mine
• You, as the man, have to lead. Everything that happened here happened because I went and did it; from deciding that I would try to make the best out of a shi**y situation, to approaching this girl with her friends, to isolating her at the bar, to going for the kiss, to inviting her back with me, to actually facilitating that by ordering the ride and appeasing her friends enough to leave her alone with me - ALWAYS LEAD. Go until you're stopped

Some solid advice in those bullet points.

 

[BPH]

What is Lr 113?

I enjoy being promiscuous, so when I bring a new woman to bed, I'll usually write up a report of how that happened - this being the 113th, hence Lay Report 113.

It helps me keep track, and also lets me reflect on what went right/wrong so I can point those things out to others, as well as remember them for myself with women in the future.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

I enjoy being promiscuous, so when I bring a new woman to bed, I'll usually write up a report of how that happened - this being the 113th, hence Lay Report 113.

It helps me keep track, and also lets me reflect on what went right/wrong so I can point those things out to others, as well as remember them for myself with women in the future.

I'm wondering when the light bulb is going to flash in your head that if you put the same level of detail, ambition and effort into improving your living situation and career/financial goals that you would likely be in a much better place overall.

Not a critique so much as I am honestly stunned that you don't see the correlation.

 

[BPH]

I'm wondering when the light bulb is going to flash in your head that if you put the same level of detail, ambition and effort into improving your living situation and career/financial goals that you would likely be in a much better place overall.

Not a critique so much as I am honestly stunned that you don't see the correlation.

Just because I don't talk about that, doesn't mean it's not something I'm doing.

I'm still coaching guys, and actually started working with a guy a few weeks ago who was a lurker on this forum. He jumped through quite a few hoops to get booked on a call, since I was redoing the offer, and he's seen some success already.

Aside from that, I still post content daily, put together a 50-page lead magnet to build an email list, and have run ads to it. I'm also working with a guy who scales coaches in men's masculinity/dating/relationship spaces. While I'm building that audience, I'll probably re-do that one forum post about the offer, since it's gone through some changes since I last posted - and because most of my clients have actually come from this forum as opposed to my lead magnet or other content.

TL;DR Yes, I'm putting in the same effort. No, I'm not talking about it because it's not dating-related.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Just because I don't talk about that, doesn't mean it's not something I'm doing.

I'm still coaching guys, and actually started working with a guy a few weeks ago who was a lurker on this forum. He jumped through quite a few hoops to get booked on a call, since I was redoing the offer, and he's seen some success already.

Aside from that, I still post content daily, put together a 50-page lead magnet to build an email list, and have run ads to it. I'm also working with a guy who scales coaches in men's masculinity/dating/relationship spaces. While I'm building that audience, I'll probably re-do that one forum post about the offer, since it's gone through some changes since I last posted - and because most of my clients have actually come from this forum as opposed to my lead magnet or other content.

TL;DR Yes, I'm putting in the same effort. No, I'm not talking about it because it's not dating-related.

That's great...but this still has a limitation to how high it can scale because it depends on your time, availability and you trading time for money.

Do you have a plan to scale this in a way where you decouple this so that you can make money from this without trading your time in return?

If not, that's probably soemthing you should consider a way to take advantage of that.

 

[BPH]

That's great...but this still has a limitation to how high it can scale because it depends on your time, availability and you trading time for money.

Do you have a plan to scale this in a way where you decouple this so that you can make money from this without trading your time in return?

If not, that's probably soemthing you should consider a way to take advantage of that.

It does have a limit, but it's very worthwhile for me at this stage because the new model is much more expensive than the $100/month I was charging as a proof of concept. The guy I paid to help with this scaling process charges a few times more than what I'm charging, so he's doing well off of 1 or 2 sales a month, and he's done way more than that just this month. I'd be doing well off of 2-3.

But in the long-term, big-picture, the vision I'd have is to hire my most successful clients post-transformation to administer the coaching more broadly while still maintaining a higher-ticket premium for those who would want to work with me specifically.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

It does have a limit, but it's very worthwhile for me at this stage because the new model is much more expensive than the $100/month I was charging as a proof of concept. The guy I paid to help with this scaling process charges a few times more than what I'm charging, so he's doing well off of 1 or 2 sales a month, and he's done way more than that just this month. I'd be doing well off of 2-3.

But in the long-term, big-picture, the vision I'd have is to hire my most successful clients post-transformation to administer the coaching more broadly while still maintaining a higher-ticket premium for those who would want to work with me specifically.

I'm happy to see you've given this more thought than just the basics. That's how you build something that is able to scale properly!

 

[craider]

Have you considered using AI to scale?

They make relatively good judges with the right model and prompts, which would take care of basic coaching/feedback and keep you focused on high value add. Also something your future employees can leverage if you have pre built agents ready to go.

 

[BPH]

Have you considered using AI to scale?

They make relatively good judges with the right model and prompts, which would take care of basic coaching/feedback and keep you focused on high value add. Also something your future employees can leverage if you have pre built agents ready to go.

Not really, it was AI's idea to structure the offer into multi-member cohorts at a lower price point, and to build my email list using a lead magnet, which was a 54-page e-book that I wrote up and presented for free. It booked me calls, but literally all of them no-showed.

Instead, I leaned into content creation and decided to stay consistent with this forum, since that's where most of my clients have been from so far - either members or lurkers. Unlike AI's suggestions, that method actually led to payment.

 

[The Duke]

I like pierced nipples too, but how do you get around the metal taste? I can't just look at them!

I think you have the drill down on how to drag a little talent out of the bars.

You hook back up with any of the previous girls?

 

[BPH]

I like pierced nipples too, but how do you get around the metal taste? I can't just look at them!

I had to think about this for a sec, and I think the best answer I can give is that it doesn't really register. I love pierced nipples because it usually correlates to the woman being quite a bit of fun in bed (my ex had fake breasts with tiny pierced nipples, and it created the illusion that because she was always "hard", that she was always turned on, which I loved). So, basically, I've got a lot more things on my mind than the flavor

I think you have the drill down on how to drag a little talent out of the bars.

I think it's a combination of going out in a better environment (Philly, rather than Delaware dive/college bars) and going out solo. I'll sit there for a while, sip on my drink, and just look around for women I might like to talk to. If I were to do the same thing with friends, they'd get impatient or tell me about how I should be having fun with my boys. I'm ok with relaxing and observing.

You hook back up with any of the previous girls?

I did, actually. The one who was ghosting me. And there's actually a fun little story attached to that, so I might update that LR to describe that night, along with a piece of general advice I've been wanting to post since last week.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

I have nothing to say except why the hell to people use the term "dogsit" instead of "dogwatch" when "dogsh1t" is what people are reminded of? Also, dogs aren't kids.

On a roll OP.

 

[BPH]

I have nothing to say except why the hell to people use the term "dogsit" instead of "dogwatch" when "dogsh1t" is what people are reminded of? Also, dogs aren't kids.

On a roll OP.

Maybe it's just me, but "dogwatch" infers that I'm watching over the dog, but not necessarily living there to that effect. "Dogsit" sounds a bit more permanent, so that's what I've been saying.