"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Older dudes (30+) in the US getting college girls that are actually hot, ever seen it?

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I know that there are two conflicting schools of thought here. The Red Pill and Manosphere claim that mid-30s are a guy's prime (I disagree for hooking up) and a guy that age has a lot of options. The Reddit Feminazis say that only ugly college girls go for old men while the hot ones go for guys their own age.

For those of you in here with a lot of life experience, have you known college girls that were actually hot get with significantly older guys (30+)?
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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The Red Pill and Manosphere claim that mid-30s are a guy's prime (I disagree for hooking up) and a guy that age has a lot of options.
Most men in their 30s/40s are not attracting and retaining women who are much younger.

Mid-30s are not a man's prime.

have you known college girls that were actually hot get with significantly older guys (30+)?
This is not something I ever saw at my college when I was in college.

I have seen instances of recent graduates (within 5 years) getting with current college students. Some of the college females were cute range but I didn't see it in the hot range. It wasn't happening with 30+ guys.
 

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I've only been 30+ for a year and a half, but the college girls I've slept with as I got older were never less hot than when I was younger.

Sometimes it just takes longer to find one who's cool with the age gap.
How did you commonly meet them? And you are near NYC so its probably a non-issue there.
 

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How did you commonly meet them? And you are near NYC so its probably a non-issue there.
That would be a better question for my brother. He turns 30 this year, and he's living in NY, but he's having a field day...he was in a relationship until somewhat recently, and now he's trying to cut down a roster of 4 women to 2.

He doesn't go out much due to how expensive it is, and has been mostly meeting them on dating apps.

Me personally? Usually, nearby bars. Sometimes Delaware, sometimes Philadelphia, sometimes Maryland. Every once in a while, I'll have a match on a dating app turn out well, like with my most recent LR.

Summer is usually a bit difficult since all the college girls go home until the next school year. I'd probably say 75% in-person and 25% from dating apps.
 
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"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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I've pulled off a few 18/19 in my early 30's. My girlfriend for six months at age 30 was 18. These girls ranged from 5/10 to 7/10
 

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I was once 39 and dating a 19 year-old. She was a sub-Becky. :rolleyes:
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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You’d be shocked at the lack of surprise of the amount of college / early 20’s women whom I would tell that I was basically only dating their age group. Im talking about the entire socioeconomic spectrum, women from the bar and elite trust fund brats, they’d laugh but they also didn’t blink. A lot of them are open to it. I stopped a couple years ago, but I was doing well at age 37-38 with that demographic.
 

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I've found, over time, that I was getting progressively hotter gf's, until eventually, in my 30's, I landed one who was wifeable.
She was a college girl at the time.

It wasn't so much because I was becoming more appealing (though I'm sure that improvements in my "husband material" status helped).
It's because after each false start, I became more discerning.
 

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Very very few and they were always transactional
If an 18-22 year old is dating 30+, it is likely to be transactional.

18-22 year old females can get very good looks with someone near their own age. The main reason to go that much older around that age is for money reasons. Men 18-24 usually don't have much money, but going 30+ and roughly 10+ years older will help women find men with more money.
 

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I know that there are two conflicting schools of thought here. The Red Pill and Manosphere claim that mid-30s are a guy's prime (I disagree for hooking up) and a guy that age has a lot of options. The Reddit Feminazis say that only ugly college girls go for old men while the hot ones go for guys their own age.

For those of you in here with a lot of life experience, have you known college girls that were actually hot get with significantly older guys (30+)?
All the time. I'm one of them. I live close to a college and it's a constant thing. But they do not go for someone just because they are 30. There's a lot of boring 30 year olds. A lot of men are too bluepilled at the moment, so they **** it up when they don't realize getting college girls is one of the easiest things ever. Especially when you have all your cards right. A lot of guys ruin it by exchanging their high value cards for lower values in the name of "caring and feelings."
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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getting college girls is one of the easiest things ever
i always found getting older women a million times easier. Hot teenagers have SMV through the ROOF and boy do they know it

Besides, it's all kind of moot. If she thinks you're hot then it's not too difficult. And if you're not her type (she thinks you're ugly and old or whatever) then it's never gonna happen with that girl. Not with all the 'seduction skills' in the world
 

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i always found getting older women a million times easier. Hot teenagers have SMV through the ROOF and boy do they know it
Agreed

Besides, it's all kind of moot. If she thinks you're hot then it's not too difficult. And if you're not her type (she thinks you're ugly and old or whatever) then it's never gonna happen with that girl. Not with all the 'seduction skills' in the world
What matters a lot is what some call 'inner game.' How you feel about yourself has a big affect on how you look.
 

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The Reddit Feminazis
they also say that men only go for 18 year olds because they are 'easy to manipulate and trick into bed' lol.
If that was true, why are guys out there paying money for onlyfans 18 year olds and stuff? Why not just 'trick' them using 'manipulation' techniques and bang them!! for free!! lol
They talk about 18 year olds as if we are talking about 8 year old girls who we can 'trick' with reverse psychology or something haha
They all think every man who is 40+ can get any 18 year old into bed that he wants. Even 18 year old supermodels. When in reality, 98% of them would get brutally rejected if trying to bang some random super hot 18 year old. He'd be INVISIBLE!

surely we all know as men that young and hotter is what's hard.
 

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To all the older guys claiming it is common and easy. What separates y'all from the high smv guys her age and older high smv guys willing to throw money at them like professional athletes, sugar daddies, and etc? Is your game just that pristine to overcome these hurdles for the cream of the crop young college women?
 

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To all the older guys claiming it is common and easy. What separates y'all from the high smv guys her age and older high smv guys willing to throw money at them like professional athletes, sugar daddies, and etc? Is your game just that pristine to overcome these hurdles for the cream of the crop young college women?
I used to be able to pull that off in my early 30's but I have not been able to do so, so far in my early 40's.

I looked and felt good a decade ago, and I had a huge acquaintance circle that involved entry level positions in retail and extra-circular activities on a university campus. I looked good because I looked a lot younger than my age at the time, plus I felt good about myself (better than how I feel now) and I had access. I did not throw money around nor did I look particularly good. I knew of a few guys that were supposedly good looking and had rich daddies, so in their early 20's hot high school/college girls would throw themselves at them. I did not get the attention that they got, but I still bedded average to above average looking girls in 18 to 22.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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