How the decline in casual dinning parallels a man’s struggles in modern dating

[FlexpertHamilton]

That's one way to look at it

It's like 5% of the reason things are so bad

If every man started approaching almost nothing would change

The issue is feminism, fundamentally

 

[Millard Fillmore]

If every man started approaching almost nothing would change

Disagree here. A lot would change. Men are not helpless and they are not victims.

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

Disagree here. A lot would change. Men are not helpless and they are not victims.

95% of men are non-entities to women, so even if they approached it would be pointless. It's not like all these men are shooting themselves in the foot by not approaching, the overwhelming majority of men don't even register to women as men, let alone viable men who they'd be receptive to.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Then raise your value. Most men don't even come close to their potential then whine about why it's so hard.

How many are in peak physical condition? Under 10% most likely, probably more like 5%.

How many have their life and career together? Again, probably not more than 20% of the dating market.

How many are able to hold conversations and aren't boring like watching paint dry? Not very many again.

Men are literally competing against losers and dudes who are lame, boring or socially inept for the most part.

If they are struggling then it's likely they are part of that group.

Too many guys think they can just do whatever and it should lead to success but success with women is like success with anything else. Your options are directly correlated to what version of you, you have become.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

Then raise your value. Most men don't even come close to their potential then whine about why it's so hard.

How many are in peak physical condition? Under 10% most likely, probably more like 5%.

How many have their life and career together? Again, probably not more than 20% of the dating market.

How many are able to hold conversations and aren't boring like watching paint dry? Not very many again.

Men are literally competing against losers and dudes who are lame, boring or socially inept for the most part.

If they are struggling then it's likely they are part of that group.

Too many guys think they can just do whatever and it should lead to success but success with women is like success with anything else. Your options are directly correlated to what version of you, you have become.

Too many guys think they can reap the benefits of self-improvement in perpetuity, seemingly forgetting that death is a thing and humans live very short lives while lacking the ability to carry life lessons into future incarnations.

You've got to enjoy yourself in there too. Balance is good.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Too many guys think they can reap the benefits of self-improvement in perpetuity, seemingly forgetting that death is a thing and humans live very short lives while lacking the ability to carry life lessons into future incarnations.

You've got to enjoy yourself in there too. Balance is good.

It's far more enjoyable when you aren't an unemployed 300 lb slob who is out of breath from walking up a flight of stairs and has women immediately turned off by their presence.

 

[Solomon]

The biggest problem I see with today's crop of 20-30yo men doesn't have anything to do with the government, boomers, or mediocre restaurants that greedy bastards run.

As you said, "the average man offers nothing of value to women outside a penis and provide and protect at best.

An average guy can't expect the results of someone that is above average. Just how it is. Work on improving your situation if you don't like it. This forum will teach you everything you need to know to be above average. It just won't do the work for you.

I know a guy who is 35 years old smokes weed, and plays video games every day, he didn't have a job for 6 months and he lived with his parents to boot. The guy was complaining about women being to "flakey" mmmh 2+2=? lmfaoooo. Long story short he got a job, a fat girlfriend who ended up kicking him out in less than 3 months he's now living back with his parents. I think the obvious doesn't need to be stated

On the flip side, I'm mentoring a 25-year-old accountant(who works as a waiter on weekends for extra cash) he makes 6 figures. He is in good shape, dresses like a model (no diddy)Has a rotation of hot girls. He doesn't lead with his wallet heck a lot of girls don't know he has money until they go to his place. Even if he didn't he still wouldn't have a problem pulling. However, from these 2 stories you see the difference in mindsets and why one guy is successful with women and the other isn't. Let me be clear I'm not saying you gotta make 6 figures to pull hot chicks, but what I am saying is if you're ambitious it goes a lot further than being a bum in this mating climate

It's like 5% of the reason things are so bad

If every man started approaching almost nothing would change

The issue is feminism, fundamentally

Feminism is a symptom of the problem the real problem is the people that put feminism in place! the politicians who wanted women in the workplace so they could get more tax money! cause the government needed more money to keep their endeavors going especially after World War 2. Women entered the workforce, wages overtime went down, your spending power went down but taxes went up! Don't believe me do your own research on this topic

Social programs went into hyperdrive in the 70s/'80s/90s and how taxes have increased in the last 60 years. It blows my mind how Redpill guys don't see that there was/is a bigger picture at play than feminism. It's about Money!!! I could go deeper into it but if you think feminism is the main issue you have to ask yourself. Who benefits the most from feminism? not the women, the government does! (once again do your research if you don't believe me you won't find this type of information on a red pill podcast where they talk about "The Wall" and "Hypergamy" for the 50,000th time)

Then raise your value. Most men don't even come close to their potential then whine about why it's so hard.

How many are in peak physical condition? Under 10% most likely, probably more like 5%.

How many have their life and career together? Again, probably not more than 20% of the dating market.

How many are able to hold conversations and aren't boring like watching paint dry? Not very many again.

Men are literally competing against losers and dudes who are lame, boring or socially inept for the most part.

If they are struggling then it's likely they are part of that group.

Too many guys think they can just do whatever and it should lead to success but success with women is like success with anything else. Your options are directly correlated to what version of you, you have become.

Totally agree, it's easier to get laid in 2024 than in 2004. I remember women would make you wait 4 dates or make you wait until you are official. Due to hookup culture now you don't have to even take a girl on a date to get laid. I got a buddy who hasn't gone on a date in 2 years he gets laid regularly. Heck, I have had girls come straight to my place as well. However, I prefer to meet in public first to see how we vibe. I'm not glroying it but it's easier to get laid now than ever. Every guy has different experiences but a lot of men are ok with being subpar which is crazy to me. The number of men whining in comment sections on youtube red pill podcast, forums like Reddit(even on here) etc. A lot of men have become weak, lack perservance, and HAVE BECOME JUST LIKE THE WOMEN THEY WHINE AND COMPLAIN ABOUT!

Don't believe me? back in 2004 only losers would have paid for onlyans there is no way Onlyfans would be a thing. Yes webcam girls existed but guys actually had pride and would be embarrassed, men had pride and Someone would have shamed you for that loser activity! now you have men bragging openly paying for Onlyfans. The delusion and entitlement of modern men is cringeworthy and at times is at the same level as modern women! It's truly sad when you watch a youtube livestream and guys are brazenly bragging about paying for hookers. In 2004 as a 20-year-old that never crossed my mind why? we were to broke so we hit the field! We had pride, yes we got rejected a lot but that was part of becoming better. We understood you had to grind. Modern men now have no perseverance that's why so many men are lazy and living with their parents in their late 20s or 30s. When I was 21 I got kicked out of my house, I didn't have mommy and Daddy to save me. 2 years later it was the 08 recession I worked 2 jobs. Sometimes 24 hours straight (3:30-11pm, 11:30-7 then 8:00-4:30) I had to grind and fast forward now I'm hopefully within 2 years of retiring before 43! I dont say this to brag but I say this to say no one was gonna save my a$$ and it was by God's grace that I'm here today. So I can't even take the credit but I certainly had to put in the work!

Now men are hitting up Onlyfans or messaging hookers.

In human history there always have been 60%-70% of men who never got to procreate, for guys who are complaining now just wait until 2030 than you really gonna cry waaah waaah waaah

 

[corrector]

95% of men are non-entities to women, so even if they approached it would be pointless. It's not like all these men are shooting themselves in the foot by not approaching, the overwhelming majority of men don't even register to women as men, let alone viable men who they'd be receptive to.

This. Probably shooting yourself in the foot by approaching. Total sh1tshow.

 

[corrector]

It's far more enjoyable when you aren't an unemployed 300 lb slob who is out of breath from walking up a flight of stairs and has women immediately turned off by their presence.

You are talking about the bottom 20% of guys. That's definitely a sub-set of the 95% of guys that @FlexpertHamilton is referring to. Now what about the other 80% who don't meet that extreme profile?

 

[corrector]

Don't believe me? back in 2004 only losers would have paid for onlyans there is no way Onlyfans would be a thing. Yes webcam girls existed but guys actually had pride and would be embarrassed, men had pride and Someone would have shamed you for that loser activity! now you have men bragging openly paying for Onlyfans. The delusion and entitlement of modern men is cringeworthy and at times is at the same level as modern women! It's truly sad when you watch a youtube livestream and guys are brazenly bragging about paying for hookers. In 2004 as a 20-year-old that never crossed my mind why? we were to broke so we hit the field! We had pride, yes we got rejected a lot but that was part of becoming better. We understood you had to grind. Modern men now have no perseverance that's why so many men are lazy and living with their parents in their late 20s or 30s. When I was 21 I got kicked out of my house, I didn't have mommy and Daddy to save me. 2 years later it was the 08 recession I worked 2 jobs. Sometimes 24 hours straight (3:30-11pm, 11:30-7 then 8:00-4:30) I had to grind and fast forward now I'm hopefully within 2 years of retiring before 43! I dont say this to brag but I say this to say no one was gonna save my a$$ and it was by God's grace that I'm here today. So I can't even take the credit but I certainly had to put in the work!

Now men are hitting up Onlyfans or messaging hookers.

In human history there always have been 60%-70% of men who never got to procreate, for guys who are complaining now just wait until 2030 than you really gonna cry waaah waaah waaah

I thought @Pierce Manhammer said prostitution discussion or references were not allowed.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

I thought @Pierce Manhammer said prostitution discussion or references were not allowed.

If you read what he wrote, he’s calling men that use prostitutes ass clowns. Espousing prostitution as some red pill thing or as if it had anything to do with seduction, which is what this board is about is asinine.

 

[Millard Fillmore]

95% of men are non-entities to women, so even if they approached it would be pointless. It's not like all these men are shooting themselves in the foot by not approaching, the overwhelming majority of men don't even register to women as men, let alone viable men who they'd be receptive to.

Interesting take. Some questions -

95% of men - where do you get this stat?

So you believe chances for success are equal whether you do something or do nothing?

Do you personally let women define your value for you as suggested above?

 

[Millard Fillmore]

Then raise your value. Most men don't even come close to their potential then whine about why it's so hard.

How many are in peak physical condition? Under 10% most likely, probably more like 5%.

How many have their life and career together? Again, probably not more than 20% of the dating market.

How many are able to hold conversations and aren't boring like watching paint dry? Not very many again.

Men are literally competing against losers and dudes who are lame, boring or socially inept for the most part.

If they are struggling then it's likely they are part of that group.

Too many guys think they can just do whatever and it should lead to success but success with women is like success with anything else. Your options are directly correlated to what version of you, you have become.

Heck I'll even lower the bar. How many men are simply better versions of themselves today than they were yesterday?

Funny to see guys not bothering to improve because they're haunted by "Chad." Imagine not going into business because there's already a Musk or a Bezos.

 

[CornbreadFed]

What would u say are the factors about them that make them so successful

Skinny Pretty Boys

March to the beat of their own drum and impress women with it

They know the type of women they attract and specifically target them

They know the popular trends within their target audience

 

[CornbreadFed]

I'm talking about confidence. Women like a spectrum of $hit that men shouldn't care. But getting ripped increase confidence in knowing that physique wise you're better than 90% of men out there? Fvck yes

Doesn’t mean shvt when you are out here chasing the wrong type of women. Guys need to accept that they will never be this magical skeleton key and that they all have a specific range of women and they can only increase their attractiveness within them.

 

[corrector]

If you read what he wrote, he’s calling men that use prostitutes ass clowns. Espousing prostitution as some red pill thing or as if it had anything to do with seduction, which is what this board is about is asinine.

I dont do that in any if my threads. I made a reference and whenever I have brought it up, its a pure cope rather than a red pill thing or claiming it has anything to do with seduction. For example, ED, is a health issue, not a seduction issue. Any threads on the Anything Else section are NOT intended to be seduction, it is talking about literally anything else. This is when it becomes censorship and this board is taking a moralistic stand that it is wrong in principle and should not even be brought up in that section. If you took that position then it would at least make sense to me.

There was a general agreement to refrain from references which I DMed,.so I intend to do that anyway. You can reference the agreement made on the DM. It is best to appeal to a private commitment either on a thread or DM then rathet.than say I am making it out to be something which I am not. At least its more honest.

 

[Millard Fillmore]

Doesn’t mean shvt when you are out here chasing the wrong type of women. Guys need to accept that they will never be this magical skeleton key and that they all have a specific range of women and they can only increase their attractiveness within them.

"Chasing," no of course not. There's no "specific range" of women for a guy unless that's what you want.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

You are talking about the bottom 20% of guys. That's definitely a sub-set of the 95% of guys that @FlexpertHamilton is referring to. Now what about the other 80% who don't meet that extreme profile?

What percentage of men are even in the top 50% of their potential in terms of physical shape, career, finances and having their life together? There is the answer.

Most men would do better to worry about improving the person they see in the mirror than crying about things out of their control.

They have 100% control over the person staring back at them, but few do anything about it.

 

[Millard Fillmore]

What percentage of men are even in the top 50% of their potential in terms of physical shape, career, finances and having their life together? There is the answer.

Most men would do better to worry about improving the person they see in the mirror than crying about things out of their control.

They have 100% control over the person staring back at them, but few do anything about it.

I've noticed most of the black pill posters around here are casual technocrats and statisticians who then scale their "stats" (all guesses) down to themselves.

 

[CornbreadFed]

"Chasing," no of course not. There's no "specific range" of women for a guy unless that's what you want.

Well if Guy A is only approaching women in clubs/party environments or using quick sex goal focused marketing tactics then he is targeting a specific range of woman.