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It is not a strawman. These are apologist statements:
They are already oppressed and occupied by their own government.
They are going to be oppressed and occupied no matter which way they go. Pick one.
All Putin is going to do is push out the existing corrupt government and replace it with a different corrupt government that is just less pro-NATO and less anti-Russian.
 

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Exactly. When you are a man of conviction then you do not worry about dying. You stand up for what is right.
Yeah but I need the gov to support me cause if I do it by myself I get arrested and my bank frozen (honk honk).

Cant you see how ridicolous is it?

"You cant do that cause its deadly" becomes "you can take your risks if you support something we like."
 

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Perhaps installing some sort of puppet government is the aim of Russia's peace talks with the Ukraine. I doubt that Ukraine will agree to that, however. Ukraine probably wanted to join NATO, but I'm not sure NATO would have allowed that since they knew that would provoke Putin.

I hope that the way the whole world has stood against this aggression will deter China from attacking Taiwan. They may have at least some interest in looking like the good guys.
I hope china does attack taiwan so we can finally stop buying chinese junk. The world would be a better place.
 

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Apparently I have to make a statement that I am not in favor of Russia attacking the Ukraine.
We were just discussing Putin's motives.

I admire the bravery of the Ukrainians fighting for their country, and also for the Russians who were protesting the war. Who knows what price they might pay for that?

I hope china does attack taiwan so we can finally stop buying chinese junk. The world would be a better place.
In the long run maybe. In the meantime, great more inflation.
 

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Once we get rid of the scourge that governs Russian, China, Iran, N. Korea, and the like, the world and there populations may finally be able to live in peace and comfort!
 

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Once we get rid of the scourge that governs Russian, China, Iran, N. Korea, and the like, the world and there populations may finally be able to live in peace and comfort!
Probably not likely. It is a defect in our species. Humans are apex predators. A new despot will emerge somewhere.
 

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Once we get rid of the scourge that governs Russian, China, Iran, N. Korea, and the like, the world and there populations may finally be able to live in peace and comfort!
The last thing we need is a single block that has no rival or alternatives...thats when you can say freedom goodbuy.

Let me tell you something, when there was the cold was many countries in western europe that had strong leftist parties were much more fair and just for the simple fact that western elites were afraid that pissed off citizens would consider the alternative.

After the wall collapsed in the early 90s, those countries no longer had such bonus.

Just consider taxation and welfare in italy and france.
 

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In the long run maybe. In the meantime, great more inflation.
The current market is long overdue for a reset, short term it will be bad but long term we genuinely need it.

Once we get rid of the scourge that governs Russian, China, Iran, N. Korea, and the like, the world and there populations may finally be able to live in peace and comfort!
Add America and saudi Arabia to that List and the world will truly become a better place, at least for the short term.

Let the EU lead the world instead.
 
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The last thing we need is a single block that has no rival or alternatives...thats when you can say freedom goodbuy.

Let me tell you something, when there was the cold was many countries in western europe that had strong leftist parties were much more fair and just for the simple fact that western elites were afraid that pissed off citizens would consider the alternative.

After the wall collapsed in the early 90s, those countries no longer had such bonus.

Just consider taxation and welfare in italy and france.
And I agree with this.
But there’s a big difference when leftist or rightist democracies vote in there leadership than the leadership deciding on what political spectrum you belong to and usually under force..
Probably not likely. It is a defect in our species. Humans are apex predators. A new despot will emerge somewhere.
Yes, as it has been said before, it’s in our nature to destroy ourselves.

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Let the EU lead the world instead.
LOL I'm european and our "leaders" are absolutely incapable of being violent...as much as they are incapable of anything at all be it productive or not.

Think of the kid sitting in the forth row in the middle of the class that doesnt make noises unlike the ones sitting at the bottom but doesnt pay attention nor follows the teacher as those in the first row.
 

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Putin is doing what he Saïd in 2008... Ukraine will never join the EU or Nato cause it would be a stratégic mistake.

Result: he's breaking the country Appart baséd on ethnic Lines (taking over the Russian West).

In crimea, Russia had a militant basé theRe + Russian.

I found a University of Chicago 2015 conférence on the Ukrainian Civil war and its deadly accurate:
 

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LOL I'm european and our "leaders" are absolutely incapable of being violent...as much as they are incapable of anything at all be it productive or not.

Think of the kid sitting in the forth row in the middle of the class that doesnt make noises unlike the ones sitting at the bottom but doesnt pay attention nor follows the teacher as those in the first row.
A European led world is better then American,Chinese and Russian. The EU maybe a cuckold wasteland but at least they actually stand up to most corporations and value privacy more then others.
 

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Theres a lot of anti russian propaganda from the west. Keep in mind a support Ukraine but I don't support bullsh1t propoganda like this
 

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Putin is doing what he Saïd in 2008... Ukraine will never join the EU or Nato cause it would be a stratégic mistake.

Result: he's breaking the country Appart baséd on ethnic Lines (taking over the Russian West).

In crimea, Russia had a militant basé theRe + Russian.

I found a University of Chicago 2015 conférence on the Ukrainian Civil war and its deadly accurate:
A lot of politics would be resolved if we had smarter people who didn't mind reading history. But like most people, history is boring to them so Russia going after Ukraine to them is just a Saturday morning Disney cartoon of the villain rubbing his hands as he attacks innocent peaceful people. Unfortunately these types make up the majority of just about all news and social media.
 

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A lot of politics would be resolved if we had smarter people who didn't mind reading history.
I don't think so. They have big egos and are hyper-competitive for resources and influence.
 

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I don't think so. They have big egos and are hyper-competitive for resources and influence.
I meant moreso individuals not politicians.
 

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If we were going to voluntarily freeze financial accounts of residents of countries unjustly attacking and provoking violence around the world, Step[One] would be to freeze all the US accounts : Kraken CEO
 

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