"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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SW15

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I was, and sometimes still am, a bartender... Never buy a woman who’s not yours, a drink. Ever. Just don’t. Get her to buy u one. Or find a bozo who’s looking at her all googly eyed, point at him, and say “no, but I bet his dumb a55 would” and smirk. She’ll either laugh and stay put, Cuz U peaked her curiosity, or she’ll take u up on it, Go flirt a drink out of the bozo, and still find her way back to you. Win/win. If she does the second things, she’s low quality.
First off, it is very good to have the perspective of a bartender in this. Thank you for adding a take. What's the definition of "yours" that you are using? Are you suggesting that drinks are now to become like dinner? The Manosphere and pickup movement started advocating for no dinners in restaurants before sex at least a decade ago.

In the Millennial generation (early 1980s to mid 1990s births) in the United States, the most common way in which in men are buying women drinks is from swipe app arranged dates. Millennial men are not on the whole randomly buying women drinks in bars/nightclubs. Gen Z is likely to do the same. As I said earlier in the thread, I turned 21 in 2004, and the random buying of drinks for women who you just met (no tech assistance) was fading out even in the mid-2000s. This thread started in 2002.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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Willie Naylor

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Her: Will you buy me a drink?

Me: Then what? We talk, we laugh, I invite you back to my place, where we open a bottle of wine as we stand out on my deck, looking up at the stars. I tell you that I love the way the moonlight sparkles in your eyes. Then I slowly lean in and kiss you. Then I carry you up to my bedroom, where we make wild, passionate love until we're both completely spent.

Then in the morning, I bring you a cup of coffee...and your car keys.

After all that, what will we have? Not even a good memory. So why don't we do us both a favor and not go through with this pathetic charade.


Don't buy drinks for chicks.
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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Only 2 good responses for this.

"If you get the first round."

"No."
 

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I seriously doubt any women are pulling this any more....BUUUT....

Hand her this card with your contact info on it and say "sure, but anywhere but here...my number's on the back"....

 

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You have to think about why a woman would go to a bar, particularly if she’s alone. For the free drinks she can squeeze off simps? Perhaps partly. But mostly she’s there hoping to meet a great guy (like you). If that’s her motive and yours is just to have a good drink, all the power is in your hands. She can’t prevent you from getting what you want (the drink), but you can prevent her from getting what she wants (you).
 

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Her: “Will you buy me a drink?”
Atom: “Why?”
Her: blah blah blah
Atom: “Not good enough.”

Atom turns away. She goes home and cries herself to sleep.
Yep, cries in Tyrone's arms because he demolished her bootyhole. And she couldn't get a new Onlyfans subscriber or orbiter.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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Yep, cries in Tyrone's arms because he demolished her bootyhole. And she couldn't get a new Onlyfans subscriber or orbiter.
Yes she did. I just followed her last night.

She promised she'll call me.
 

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In the right situation, there's nothing wrong with buying a drink for a girl, I suppose. I usually think it's a bad idea, but it's a good way to get a conversation started with an interested girl.
 

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In the right situation, there's nothing wrong with buying a drink for a girl, I suppose.
Buying random chicks drinks isn't a great idea, unless they buy you drinks too... Most girls use this question to abuse low quality guys to use their money on them for a free night out, but she doesn't want or desire them. However she will use her money and buy you a drink if she thinks you are a high quality target guy.
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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HaleyBaron

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I've seen enough guys buy women drinks, then the women walk back to their pack of hyenas laughing about getting yet another gullible guy. Men spend way more at bars than women, and the bars know that some sucker will be buying shots and such for the girls. And girls can have zero money in their purse and still walk out drunk with their friends.
 

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Sounds like a fun idea..
It is a fun game in a group. Especially when at a place with cheap drinks...Not a nightclub deal for sure... ..Most dive bars will have a set of Dice cups. Maybe it is a West Coast thing...
 

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It is a fun game in a group. Especially when at a place with cheap drinks...Not a nightclub deal for sure... ..Most dive bars will have a set of Dice cups. Maybe it is a West Coast thing...
Ye it should work well too and you throw a curbed ball back at the chicks and make it fun, ice breaker, easy convo starter and you can game them on the same time (no pun intended), etc etc. and if you're lucky they will buy you all the wrings because you are winning all the time.. xD
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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